WEBVTT 00:00:00.005 --> 00:00:04.125 It's crazy stormy in the Pacific Northwest this weekend. Wes and I have been 00:00:04.125 --> 00:00:06.505 sharing crazy weather notes back and forth. 00:00:07.065 --> 00:00:09.825 Yeah, you know, you got to keep up to date on where the latest power outage is. 00:00:09.965 --> 00:00:10.745 Did you ever lose power? 00:00:10.985 --> 00:00:11.945 No, thankfully not. 00:00:12.105 --> 00:00:15.945 The studio did not lose power either. And I thought I was doing pretty good 00:00:15.945 --> 00:00:19.165 because I'm out in the woods, kind of up against the mountains. The mountains. 00:00:19.465 --> 00:00:22.305 And the power didn't really seem like it was going to flicker. 00:00:22.385 --> 00:00:24.285 The wind didn't really seem like it was blowing too hard. 00:00:25.225 --> 00:00:30.545 9.50 p.m. I hear this chachunk. I'm like, uh-oh, that's not good. 00:00:30.805 --> 00:00:33.945 It sounds like a transformer or something like that. 00:00:34.165 --> 00:00:35.545 Large piece of electrical equipment. 00:00:36.105 --> 00:00:40.465 And I sit there for a second, and I said, okay, I need to pay attention to that. 00:00:40.565 --> 00:00:41.825 Yes, it's late, and I'm tired. 00:00:42.225 --> 00:00:45.165 And I had to have a couple of drinks because we went trick-or-treating, 00:00:45.245 --> 00:00:48.985 and they were giving out jello shots to the adults. I did not plan on that, 00:00:49.025 --> 00:00:50.005 so I'm like, okay, thanks. 00:00:50.325 --> 00:00:52.585 So I'm like, all right, fine. I go to check it. Sure enough, 00:00:53.025 --> 00:00:56.685 we've lost our power. I pull it up on the map, and oh, yeah, we're out, we're out. 00:00:57.005 --> 00:00:59.785 And I announced it to the kids. It's not really easy to tell because all the 00:00:59.785 --> 00:01:00.925 lights are on because we have a battery bank. 00:01:00.925 --> 00:01:01.905 The system just works, right. 00:01:02.185 --> 00:01:05.945 So I announced it to the kids. I'm like, hey, guess what? The power's out. They're like, it is? 00:01:06.345 --> 00:01:09.565 And the kids look around. They look out the window and they see the campground's 00:01:09.565 --> 00:01:13.405 dark. I go, can't we at least turn out the lights? LAUGHTER, 00:01:25.665 --> 00:01:30.345 Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris. 00:01:30.585 --> 00:01:31.245 My name is Wes. 00:01:31.385 --> 00:01:32.105 And my name is Brent. 00:01:32.925 --> 00:01:36.645 Hello, gentlemen. Well, coming up on the show this week, we'll tell you what's 00:01:36.645 --> 00:01:41.265 interesting about the new Fedora 43 release and the thing that they're doing 00:01:41.265 --> 00:01:43.705 that we think every Linux distribution should copy. 00:01:43.845 --> 00:01:46.985 Then we'll round it out with some shout-outs, some boosts, some picks, and a lot more. 00:01:47.165 --> 00:01:51.285 So before we go any further, before we get into that show, we have to say time-appropriate 00:01:51.285 --> 00:01:54.185 greetings to our virtual lug. Hello, Mumble Room. 00:01:54.405 --> 00:01:54.765 Hello. 00:01:57.005 --> 00:01:57.885 Hello there. 00:01:58.345 --> 00:01:58.785 Hello. 00:01:59.745 --> 00:02:01.025 It's quite the group. 00:02:01.185 --> 00:02:01.685 It's on fire over there. 00:02:02.365 --> 00:02:05.405 I know. I know there's like some work going on in the background. 00:02:05.605 --> 00:02:06.945 Maybe I'm riding lawnmower. It's unclear. 00:02:07.065 --> 00:02:10.725 Things are happening and I love it. Yeah, our virtual lug gets together every 00:02:10.725 --> 00:02:12.305 Sunday and you're welcome to join us. 00:02:12.605 --> 00:02:16.225 That's at jupiterbroadcasting.com slash mumble. And of course you need the mumble 00:02:16.225 --> 00:02:18.425 app, which is like packaged everywhere. 00:02:18.985 --> 00:02:22.865 So you'll be able to find that. Also a big good morning to our friends over 00:02:22.865 --> 00:02:26.245 at Defined Networking. go check out Nebula. 00:02:26.405 --> 00:02:30.105 Defined.net slash unplugged is where you want to go to support the show and 00:02:30.105 --> 00:02:32.605 meet Managed Nebula from Defined Networking. 00:02:32.725 --> 00:02:37.245 It's a decentralized VPN built on an open source platform that we love called Nebula. 00:02:37.425 --> 00:02:39.285 Top to bottom, you're in complete control. 00:02:39.505 --> 00:02:43.625 They offer a managed product or something that you can completely self-host. 00:02:43.785 --> 00:02:48.185 It's optimized for speed, simplicity, and it uses industry-leading security. 00:02:48.365 --> 00:02:51.365 And Nebula's decentralized design, you know that's something I'm big into. 00:02:51.365 --> 00:02:52.725 It means your network is resilient. 00:02:53.265 --> 00:02:56.505 If you've got a home lab or a global enterprise, it will work for you. 00:02:56.585 --> 00:02:57.865 They developed it for Slack originally. 00:02:58.185 --> 00:03:02.045 Now, of course, it runs many networks. I can't tell you all of them, 00:03:02.145 --> 00:03:05.365 but it still manages all of the Slack infrastructure. They run all of their 00:03:05.365 --> 00:03:07.025 interconnectivity over that. 00:03:07.365 --> 00:03:10.785 Also, every Rivian vehicle going down the road is using Nebula to protect the 00:03:10.785 --> 00:03:11.865 data and the metrics there. 00:03:12.125 --> 00:03:15.345 And, you know, one of the things that can be tricky if you want to self-host 00:03:15.345 --> 00:03:17.605 would be setting up the lighthouse. That's kind of where you start. 00:03:17.785 --> 00:03:19.265 That's where a managed Nebula is really nice. 00:03:20.366 --> 00:03:23.666 There are easier ways to get going with a lighthouse these days, 00:03:23.686 --> 00:03:27.246 and that's the thing that you host that's responsible for keeping track of all 00:03:27.246 --> 00:03:30.306 your Nebula hosts and helping them find each other when they come online. 00:03:30.986 --> 00:03:34.826 And they don't actually transfer data themselves. It's more like node discovery. 00:03:35.146 --> 00:03:38.686 And Wes, one of the things that you and I have been watching is there's more 00:03:38.686 --> 00:03:44.646 public nodes coming online that you can use, and there's now a way to make it 00:03:44.646 --> 00:03:45.786 even easier to get set up. 00:03:46.006 --> 00:03:50.026 Yeah, right. So there's this public Nebula lighthouse service. 00:03:50.026 --> 00:03:53.506 One of the things that's neat is Nebula is so flexible that you can do this. 00:03:53.586 --> 00:03:56.686 So you can have someone run the lighthouse, and with a little automation, 00:03:56.686 --> 00:04:01.166 there's like a Python service that runs here around it, you can make it so you 00:04:01.166 --> 00:04:05.246 can submit your Nebula info to it so it can work as a lighthouse for you. 00:04:05.326 --> 00:04:08.086 There are a couple steps you want to take just for security so that you can 00:04:08.086 --> 00:04:11.946 do this safely, but they have good docs for that that we'll have linked. 00:04:12.266 --> 00:04:18.206 And listener Blumenstrong has taken it upon themselves to start a Nix package 00:04:18.206 --> 00:04:20.186 for that as well. So it's even easier. 00:04:20.346 --> 00:04:24.126 Ha ha. How cool is that? Is that something I should be looking at? 00:04:24.206 --> 00:04:26.066 Well, maybe we should run one. I don't know. 00:04:26.526 --> 00:04:28.846 Oh, a JB Lighthouse. 00:04:28.946 --> 00:04:29.166 Right? 00:04:29.486 --> 00:04:33.226 I'd be down for that. I'd be down for that. Well, thanks, Bloomin' Strong. 00:04:33.366 --> 00:04:36.606 Nice work on that. So go check out Nebula. It's awesome if you want to self-host it yourself. 00:04:36.766 --> 00:04:40.226 Or really, why not start with a managed product? Also could be a great option 00:04:40.226 --> 00:04:41.926 for friends, family, or your enterprise. 00:04:42.186 --> 00:04:45.646 It's a great way to support the show. Defined.net slash unplugged. 00:04:46.106 --> 00:04:48.546 Redefine your VPN experience with something you can actually control. 00:04:48.546 --> 00:04:51.446 Define.net slash unplugged. 00:04:54.246 --> 00:04:58.226 Well, Fedora Linux 43 has been officially cleared for release probably just 00:04:58.226 --> 00:05:01.446 about the time you're listening to this, October 28th. 00:05:01.506 --> 00:05:03.126 That's a Tuesday, 2025. 00:05:03.926 --> 00:05:07.846 And there's a lot to like in here. We weren't sure exactly what would land. 00:05:07.926 --> 00:05:10.906 You know, they kind of have these windows of time and then the team gets together. 00:05:11.046 --> 00:05:12.046 They have a go, no go meeting. 00:05:12.970 --> 00:05:14.470 And then they decide if it's ready or not. 00:05:14.670 --> 00:05:17.710 Yeah, it kind of keeps things interesting this time, anytime there's a release in progress. 00:05:17.950 --> 00:05:21.330 And one of the things they do is they have a blocker bug tracker where you can 00:05:21.330 --> 00:05:24.850 specifically see what's holding up the release. So if you're trying to kind 00:05:24.850 --> 00:05:27.870 of plan when Fedora might land, most of you probably aren't, 00:05:27.950 --> 00:05:32.050 but we do, it's really nice that they just publish a blocker tracker. 00:05:32.510 --> 00:05:34.530 And you can say, oh, okay, oh, this doesn't really apply to me. 00:05:34.590 --> 00:05:35.730 Well, then I'm going to go ahead and install it. 00:05:35.790 --> 00:05:38.450 And true, open source, transparent, yeah, just great. 00:05:38.670 --> 00:05:41.730 Yeah, and that's exactly what we did because the blockers that were there were 00:05:41.730 --> 00:05:45.190 no big deal for us at all. And the rest of the bits looked good. 00:05:46.190 --> 00:05:49.810 And this is the release where we finally get the new web UI installer. 00:05:50.310 --> 00:05:53.770 And Wes, you've kind of been the biggest Anaconda hater on the show. 00:05:54.070 --> 00:05:55.450 Ouch, you just had to say that. 00:05:55.450 --> 00:05:56.550 I just put it out there. 00:05:56.650 --> 00:05:57.090 Yeah, well. 00:05:57.230 --> 00:05:59.490 I mean, I know you warmed up to it a little bit as time went on. 00:06:00.090 --> 00:06:04.610 Yeah, hate's a strong word, but it's never been my favorite of the common installers. That's true. 00:06:04.830 --> 00:06:06.530 Yep, so it's now the default installer. 00:06:06.990 --> 00:06:11.170 It had been in use for Workstation, but it hadn't really rolled out wider. So now this time it is. 00:06:11.310 --> 00:06:14.490 Yeah. Let's start there, Wes. Did you like it? 00:06:14.810 --> 00:06:19.130 Oh, yeah. Actually, I am. I'm definitely a fan of the new web installer approach. 00:06:19.310 --> 00:06:22.090 I'm still kind of getting used to the flavor and the limitations. 00:06:22.090 --> 00:06:24.190 And, you know, I'm giving it early days and all that. 00:06:24.510 --> 00:06:28.570 I did notice as part of that, just kind of poking around while I was getting things installed. 00:06:29.090 --> 00:06:33.290 I wonder if our friend Neil could comment on this. Something called Slitherer. 00:06:34.530 --> 00:06:36.170 Yeah. What is Slitherer? 00:06:36.170 --> 00:06:36.570 Jesus. 00:06:37.210 --> 00:06:37.990 What is that? 00:06:37.990 --> 00:06:47.630 So Slitherer is a alternative, purposeful web engine runner built on QtWebEngine 00:06:47.630 --> 00:06:50.210 to run the Anaconda Web UI. 00:06:50.590 --> 00:06:57.510 And the reason it exists is because the quote-unquote default is to use Firefox, 00:06:57.750 --> 00:06:58.970 and that's what's used on Workstation. 00:06:59.810 --> 00:07:04.630 Almost every other spin experience, whatever... 00:07:05.400 --> 00:07:11.500 And using Firefox causes problems because then it confuses the window manager. 00:07:11.840 --> 00:07:15.800 And if you, for example, preload window rules for like how Anaconda is supposed 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:20.240 to show up like on a tiling window manager, it will screw up because it will 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:24.340 also affect Firefox, the web browser, and all these other things. 00:07:24.340 --> 00:07:29.400 So by having a dedicated web runner that has its own name that identifies as Anaconda. 00:07:30.640 --> 00:07:36.420 Things like window management rules or you want to de-confuse the desktop shell 00:07:36.420 --> 00:07:41.280 or whatever these things, if you have things that apply to Firefox, 00:07:41.500 --> 00:07:42.640 they won't apply to Anaconda. 00:07:42.840 --> 00:07:45.600 If you have things that only apply to Anaconda, they won't apply to Firefox. 00:07:45.980 --> 00:07:49.340 It's basically avoiding the – and also it won't cause things like, 00:07:49.400 --> 00:07:50.760 oh, hey, you have mixed up profiles. 00:07:50.760 --> 00:07:54.220 You have settings coming gearing over for one or the other. like weird 00:07:54.220 --> 00:07:59.360 stuff like that doesn't happen either and so slither is basically a very very 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:07.380 simple wrapper that runs the Anaconda web UI through Qtweb engine and and that's 00:08:07.380 --> 00:08:13.360 that's used just to make it so that we don't have these weird complicated problems, 00:08:14.294 --> 00:08:18.974 result in things like oh hey i can't launch firefox randomly because firefox 00:08:18.974 --> 00:08:22.914 gets confused that anaconda is also running and anaconda is also firefox. 00:08:22.914 --> 00:08:25.534 Yeah well nicely done because i mean i think it's kind 00:08:25.534 --> 00:08:28.774 of the one of the things the flexibility you get and maybe problem you have 00:08:28.774 --> 00:08:32.294 to solve when you make a big switch like this so it's cool to see you know how 00:08:32.294 --> 00:08:35.734 do you actually make this possible to roll out wider and i do think you know 00:08:35.734 --> 00:08:38.814 it's a more direct it's a simpler experience it felt a little faster to me just 00:08:38.814 --> 00:08:42.254 going through the full install to get my system them down and I was trying the 00:08:42.254 --> 00:08:44.694 KDE spin this time around. 00:08:45.034 --> 00:08:45.514 Excellent. 00:08:45.854 --> 00:08:48.754 I also noticed this time when you boot into it, it even has a nice little thing 00:08:48.754 --> 00:08:52.534 that reminds you how much Fedora loves KDE and KDE loves Fedora. 00:08:52.714 --> 00:08:57.234 That's great. Yeah. Also under the hood, the installer switches from DNF4 to 00:08:57.234 --> 00:08:58.634 DNF5 for package management. 00:08:58.894 --> 00:08:59.254 Finally. 00:08:59.574 --> 00:09:00.234 That's pretty fun. 00:09:00.554 --> 00:09:04.574 Not that you'll experience any of that. No, you shouldn't. Because the only 00:09:04.574 --> 00:09:11.674 thing that actually uses that backend is Fedora server install DVD and the net install ISOs. 00:09:12.014 --> 00:09:15.354 Everything else is just, you know, it's an image-based install. 00:09:15.954 --> 00:09:19.494 Yeah. Also, I don't know what the impact of this is, but I read... 00:09:19.494 --> 00:09:21.114 And hey, some of us love a good net install. 00:09:21.254 --> 00:09:24.894 I read in the notes, too, that the RPM package format is actually still version 00:09:24.894 --> 00:09:27.494 4, which is going to be upgraded in the future. 00:09:28.194 --> 00:09:32.314 Yeah, so we have RPM 6, but it's set to the V4 format for backwards compatibility 00:09:32.314 --> 00:09:36.274 because, like, the build system infrastructure is still running older Fedora. 00:09:36.694 --> 00:09:38.954 You know, there's things that are still on RHEL in the infrastructure. 00:09:39.674 --> 00:09:43.834 Like, moving to the V6 format would just break everything right now. 00:09:43.854 --> 00:09:45.314 Yeah, that makes sense. Bite it off as its own thing. 00:09:45.614 --> 00:09:47.514 Yeah, so that's going to happen separately later. 00:09:48.456 --> 00:09:54.076 So let's talk a few details here. We got in Workstation, we have a version of 00:09:54.076 --> 00:09:57.056 GNOME now that is deprecating X11 support. 00:09:57.156 --> 00:10:01.236 So, of course, you'll still have X Wayland, but that's the only way you're going 00:10:01.236 --> 00:10:02.756 to be able to run legacy X applications. 00:10:03.016 --> 00:10:08.196 Other spins in desktop environments still support X11. This is an upstream GNOME change that lands. 00:10:09.236 --> 00:10:10.236 And the future is here. 00:10:10.416 --> 00:10:14.496 I guess so. The Wayland future, I guess, is here, right? I suppose so. 00:10:14.496 --> 00:10:19.016 So I don't have a lot of thoughts on that other than we knew this was coming. 00:10:19.136 --> 00:10:20.116 It was signaled for a while. 00:10:20.416 --> 00:10:26.096 And I think all of my systems have been whaling for years. So it kind of makes sense. 00:10:26.196 --> 00:10:29.716 I mean, there are other options, so I still have some remaining sympathy for 00:10:29.716 --> 00:10:30.876 folks where it doesn't work. 00:10:30.996 --> 00:10:35.336 But it really has progressed to a point of regular usability, which is great. 00:10:35.496 --> 00:10:41.036 I don't often comment on this. But what is striking is the new wallpaper. 00:10:41.036 --> 00:10:43.896 I love it. I really think it's great. 00:10:43.896 --> 00:10:46.656 Yeah, it's one of my favorites in the last few releases, I think. 00:10:46.756 --> 00:10:48.596 I think it's my favorite since the DNA wallpaper. 00:10:48.816 --> 00:10:49.716 Oh, wow. 00:10:49.956 --> 00:10:51.676 I feel like you're a little biased, Chris. 00:10:52.956 --> 00:10:54.396 Oh, yeah? Why is that? Because it's a rocket? 00:10:54.576 --> 00:10:57.876 Yeah, because it's a giant, like, JB rocket, pretty much. 00:10:58.556 --> 00:11:00.536 I think it's fantastic. I love it. 00:11:00.716 --> 00:11:02.756 It is really nice. The backstory is really nice, too. 00:11:03.096 --> 00:11:06.436 Do you have a TLDR version, an elevator version of the backstory? 00:11:06.656 --> 00:11:10.916 Well, it's basically inspired by Sally Ride and Sally Ride's legacy. 00:11:10.916 --> 00:11:12.916 She was the first American woman to go to space. 00:11:13.236 --> 00:11:15.236 I guess that was June 18th, 1983. 00:11:15.916 --> 00:11:20.156 So just a nice little chunk of history there. And I like that idea of doing 00:11:20.156 --> 00:11:22.716 wallpapers based on a little slice of history. 00:11:23.036 --> 00:11:26.276 Let's talk about some nitty gritty stuff, because I always love these kinds 00:11:26.276 --> 00:11:29.896 of like under the hood things. And I bet you were really excited to see this. And I'm not joking. 00:11:30.516 --> 00:11:34.616 Slash boot on a new install is going from one gigabyte to two gigabytes. 00:11:34.976 --> 00:11:36.336 Yeah, it's probably about time. 00:11:36.896 --> 00:11:39.816 If you're just upgrading, of course, that's not going to be the case. 00:11:39.816 --> 00:11:43.716 But yes, how big do you make your slash boot? 00:11:45.975 --> 00:11:49.875 Yep. I mean, at least a gig, probably two. I've gone up to five before. 00:11:49.975 --> 00:11:53.315 Yeah. Five is my max. Two is my minimum. Two is my minimum. 00:11:53.335 --> 00:11:54.855 I like having some excess space. 00:11:55.015 --> 00:11:58.375 Maybe you store like an emergency ISO on there or backups and stuff. 00:11:58.775 --> 00:12:01.035 Brent, do you have a minimum size for your Slash Boot? 00:12:01.495 --> 00:12:06.715 Yeah, I go at least two. I've certainly run into issues on encrypted systems 00:12:06.715 --> 00:12:08.915 where kind of everything gets stored there. 00:12:09.115 --> 00:12:12.595 And definitely Ubuntu is when my parents are using it, let's say. 00:12:12.595 --> 00:12:17.495 It's not great at expunging things in there. So they have way too many kernels and stuff. 00:12:17.615 --> 00:12:22.455 And that has brought down my mother's computer more times than I care to admit. 00:12:22.735 --> 00:12:27.075 So I now have like a task every six-ish months I had to go through and clear 00:12:27.075 --> 00:12:28.775 that because it's a tiny little boot. 00:12:29.495 --> 00:12:35.055 So I say, you know, disk is cheap. Make it as large as, I don't know, just go crazy. Five? 00:12:35.235 --> 00:12:39.015 Yeah, I'd be curious. I'd be curious. I say boost it and tell us how big your slash boot is. 00:12:39.095 --> 00:12:41.375 Why not just run the whole system off your boot, you know? 00:12:41.375 --> 00:12:42.595 Well, and I wondered... 00:12:42.595 --> 00:12:43.655 Fat32 is fine. 00:12:43.795 --> 00:12:48.375 This is crazy. My system was running 6.17.1. 00:12:48.675 --> 00:12:52.135 I believe 6.17.5 is the latest. It came out on October 23rd, 00:12:52.155 --> 00:12:53.815 so pretty fresh kernel in there. 00:12:53.995 --> 00:12:58.735 You get some new hardware feedback interfaces, which I think mostly is going 00:12:58.735 --> 00:13:02.595 to impact Ryzen processors. There's also some improvements for Intel multi-core 00:13:02.595 --> 00:13:05.515 scheduling in there, which could mean smoother multitasking. 00:13:05.875 --> 00:13:09.295 And then I think the one, for those of you that are trying to get higher res 00:13:09.295 --> 00:13:13.495 webcams these days, There's been an update to the IPU 7 driver in Linux 6.17. 00:13:13.835 --> 00:13:15.615 But speaking of... 00:13:16.850 --> 00:13:23.170 The immutable distributions, Fedora KinoNite decided to enable auto-updates by default. 00:13:23.630 --> 00:13:27.630 And this is done via Discover, which supports automatically updating the system 00:13:27.630 --> 00:13:32.930 in a rather safe, you know, RPM OS tree staged update. So it applies at the next boot. 00:13:33.130 --> 00:13:37.010 And, of course, you can roll back if you don't like it or something breaks or 00:13:37.010 --> 00:13:38.370 you can disable it altogether. 00:13:39.090 --> 00:13:42.350 But kind of an aggressive step. Do you have any thoughts on this one, 00:13:42.390 --> 00:13:45.470 Neil, about automatical updates on the KinoNite? 00:13:45.470 --> 00:13:51.930 Well, it's been a long-term goal of Timothy Reviere, who works on Kinoite specifically. 00:13:53.010 --> 00:14:00.170 And I think in general, for these systems, I personally am not a fan of automatic updates. 00:14:00.330 --> 00:14:05.650 I don't like them because I have been burned by them. But with these systems, 00:14:05.650 --> 00:14:11.030 the risk is relatively low that you get screwed over by an automatic update. 00:14:12.030 --> 00:14:16.710 It really, the main problems come in when you have bootloader and kernel updates 00:14:16.710 --> 00:14:19.270 that come in as part of it, that things get a little dicey. 00:14:19.470 --> 00:14:23.890 You know, I'll say I've been using automatic updates on Aurora since Summit. 00:14:24.290 --> 00:14:28.270 Yeah, and it should be fine, right? Like it's in general, ideally, 00:14:28.290 --> 00:14:35.090 if you are making releases of OS tree commits or OCI archives, 00:14:35.270 --> 00:14:40.370 the new update bundles, you have made sure that they work. 00:14:40.490 --> 00:14:43.690 You have some way of making sure that they work before they go out to people. 00:14:44.130 --> 00:14:47.710 And if you don't, then you really, really need to rethink how you're doing your 00:14:47.710 --> 00:14:50.690 atomic or immutable or whatever you want to call it distribution. 00:14:50.690 --> 00:14:54.890 Because if you're not doing that, then you are just make you're putting everyone 00:14:54.890 --> 00:14:59.770 at risk because everything is your fault That's how that works, right? 00:15:01.222 --> 00:15:06.142 I have some thoughts. I tried a quote-unquote atomic spin for what we're going 00:15:06.142 --> 00:15:09.062 to get into some of our experiences with 43 directly. 00:15:09.442 --> 00:15:12.722 And so far the updates have gone smooth, but it's like, you know, I'm a weekend. 00:15:13.342 --> 00:15:16.342 But I just love seeing them kind of push the envelope a little bit there. 00:15:16.462 --> 00:15:19.762 And then it's a pretty accessible thing for users to disable. It's in Discover. 00:15:20.022 --> 00:15:23.002 It's not like they have to go digging through a config or even the command line. 00:15:23.242 --> 00:15:25.262 And I think that's a nice balance there too. 00:15:25.842 --> 00:15:30.102 Wes, is there anything else? Like I know there's a new compression for init. 00:15:30.102 --> 00:15:32.142 But, I mean, there's a few other things in here. Anything else jump out at you? 00:15:32.262 --> 00:15:36.702 Yeah, I mean, you just get, like, a nice modern OS, right? So you get Python 00:15:36.702 --> 00:15:40.102 3.14, which is an excellent Python release. Definitely worth upgrading. 00:15:40.302 --> 00:15:45.022 Also, Postgres 18, which just came out, has some fancy new IOU ring support. 00:15:45.482 --> 00:15:50.082 I mean, yeah, there's a lot to like. I do think better compression of the NNRD 00:15:50.082 --> 00:15:55.322 that goes along with your improved slash boot support for just, you know, more robust. 00:15:55.762 --> 00:15:57.722 Yeah, just get a little more out of that. 00:15:57.902 --> 00:15:58.082 Yeah. 00:15:58.082 --> 00:16:00.342 Let's get a little bit more. Let's squeak a little bit more out of that. 00:16:00.402 --> 00:16:03.282 I did see downstream there's kind of some interesting things. 00:16:03.402 --> 00:16:05.902 Build Fedora Core OS using container files. 00:16:06.042 --> 00:16:06.122 Yeah. 00:16:06.302 --> 00:16:10.562 Podman now. That's a big change. 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I thought this would be a quick visit, and I ended up moving in. 00:19:06.147 --> 00:19:14.027 I really like the idea of pairing Cosmic Desktop with an atomic Linux base. 00:19:14.507 --> 00:19:19.327 There's something to me that seems like it's a really nice match because the 00:19:19.327 --> 00:19:23.727 way they do it, you get all the updates in one, and that desktop is fairly frequently 00:19:23.727 --> 00:19:25.967 updated, so it all comes down as an image update. 00:19:26.507 --> 00:19:30.047 If something doesn't work right, you just roll back, but obviously it hasn't been a problem. 00:19:30.287 --> 00:19:33.127 And Cosmic has that kind of nice, it's already pretty simple, 00:19:33.167 --> 00:19:35.287 but it's also kind of got that clean separation, right? 00:19:35.467 --> 00:19:35.867 It does. 00:19:36.107 --> 00:19:38.747 It'll just have all your data in your user location. 00:19:39.607 --> 00:19:44.467 Yeah, and the config and the application state are separated in a way where 00:19:44.467 --> 00:19:47.727 I could be backing that up too separately or taking snapshots. 00:19:47.927 --> 00:19:51.107 So there's a lot of safety mechanisms I could put in here. 00:19:51.727 --> 00:19:56.307 So you get a modern desktop that's frequently updated with sort of an insurance 00:19:56.307 --> 00:19:59.627 policy that if something breaks, you can roll back in a pretty stable base. 00:20:00.147 --> 00:20:02.647 So I find that to be true with Hyperland, by the way, as well. 00:20:03.007 --> 00:20:07.467 I pull from the main branch on my system at home, and some days when I'm working 00:20:07.467 --> 00:20:13.387 on something, I'll update Hyperland two, maybe the most has even been three times in one day. 00:20:14.407 --> 00:20:18.467 I don't know, man, that guy's cranking it out like crazy. And it just works 00:20:18.467 --> 00:20:21.267 because, you know, I'm crazy, I guess, but it's just worked. 00:20:21.327 --> 00:20:23.267 And I'm months into the setup, and it's been working great. 00:20:24.147 --> 00:20:27.627 So I really like it. And so I thought, well, let's take a look at all the different 00:20:27.627 --> 00:20:30.167 atomic spins. And I saw the cosmic atomic spin. 00:20:33.217 --> 00:20:37.337 Boy, was I surprised. Boy, was I surprised. I'm trying this on the Dell Knicks 00:20:37.337 --> 00:20:41.597 book that Olympia Mike gave us, which is a low end. It's a bit of a dog. 00:20:41.997 --> 00:20:46.597 It's a little tired. It's a little tired. The battery is dead for the most part. 00:20:47.537 --> 00:20:53.637 And running Fedora Cosmic, I could not believe how instant. I meant to bring 00:20:53.637 --> 00:20:54.997 the laptop into the room for you, Wes. 00:20:55.557 --> 00:20:59.037 Like you click the file manager icon and it's immediately on the screen. 00:20:59.197 --> 00:21:02.877 You click the terminal icon and by the time your finger is coming off the mouse, 00:21:03.277 --> 00:21:04.737 the terminal is up on the screen. 00:21:05.057 --> 00:21:08.997 The text editor, everything launches so fast. 00:21:10.677 --> 00:21:14.677 It's like, I mean, how long have we been using this laptop? When did Olympia might give this to us? 00:21:14.817 --> 00:21:16.057 I think LinuxFest Northwest. 00:21:16.637 --> 00:21:19.217 LinuxFest, so since April. And I've been- 00:21:19.217 --> 00:21:20.597 You've tried a lot of different things on there. 00:21:20.617 --> 00:21:24.097 I've had Bluefin on there. I've had Nix on there. I've had Hypervibe on there. 00:21:24.757 --> 00:21:30.497 I've never experienced the performance like this. I've just was absolutely blown away. 00:21:31.317 --> 00:21:36.057 And, you know, if I'm using a really minimal desktop, that's not too surprising. 00:21:36.057 --> 00:21:39.697 But this is a full-featured desktop, what I've customized the look on and everything like that. 00:21:39.877 --> 00:21:44.697 And to experience it on what was – it's essentially – it was a thrown-away laptop. 00:21:45.277 --> 00:21:46.637 It was a thrown-away laptop. 00:21:47.850 --> 00:21:53.870 Okay. I mean, like it's blowing my mind. So I just had to stick around and keep using it. I was sold. 00:21:54.830 --> 00:21:58.230 How much have you customized? Have you like made yourself a custom workflow? 00:21:58.470 --> 00:21:59.810 You kind of just taken the defaults. 00:22:00.210 --> 00:22:04.150 So the things I mean, I'm mostly doing is playing around with the theming. I have this. 00:22:04.270 --> 00:22:08.210 I have the second desktop set to tiling. The first desktop set to floating. Loving that. 00:22:08.690 --> 00:22:13.750 For me, like Firefox is still not great, but like the main desktop is so responsive. 00:22:14.670 --> 00:22:17.230 Like I'm showing my wife. She's like, okay. I'm like, she's like, 00:22:17.270 --> 00:22:19.090 that's probably how it should be. I'm like, yeah, well, I know that's how it 00:22:19.090 --> 00:22:20.770 should be, but it hasn't been like that. 00:22:22.810 --> 00:22:24.950 She didn't care. She didn't care at all. 00:22:25.750 --> 00:22:28.430 I got a little windows on there to make a really good comparison. 00:22:28.830 --> 00:22:30.330 I got the feeling you didn't choose 00:22:30.330 --> 00:22:34.910 Cosmic specifically for its speed improvements. So was that a surprise? 00:22:35.844 --> 00:22:39.724 Yeah, I was, I just thought, well, I wanted to try one of the more recent builds of Cosmic. 00:22:41.144 --> 00:22:43.984 And, you know, after we'd gone down there, the one I had tried, 00:22:44.224 --> 00:22:47.504 I rebased my Aurora to Cosmic, but it's an older build. 00:22:48.124 --> 00:22:51.004 And because I think it's based on what's ever packaged for 42. 00:22:51.684 --> 00:22:54.944 So I wanted to try it since this is, you know, the current hottest stuff. 00:22:55.204 --> 00:22:57.904 And wow, really impressed. 00:22:58.524 --> 00:23:03.984 So that was my review rig. I think I might have hit a bug in the Cosmic Software 00:23:03.984 --> 00:23:07.524 Center because I had network connectivity issues when I was trying to add the 00:23:07.524 --> 00:23:11.904 Flatpak repo and had to reboot the machine. 00:23:12.064 --> 00:23:17.644 And when I came back, I didn't have any options to add either the FlatHub repo or the Cosmic repo. 00:23:17.944 --> 00:23:20.224 I was able to add them at the command line just fine. 00:23:20.864 --> 00:23:23.904 And so I haven't had a chance to reproduce that. But I'm not sure what happened there. 00:23:24.184 --> 00:23:27.944 But it was otherwise so great. I mean, really, 00:23:28.304 --> 00:23:33.184 other than I can't just, like, drop to the terminal and DNF install whatever 00:23:33.184 --> 00:23:35.904 I want, I wouldn't even – actually, 00:23:36.064 --> 00:23:38.804 for the first five minutes, I forgot I was on an atomic system because I was 00:23:38.804 --> 00:23:42.744 just – you know, I'm just using Flatpaks and installing it, and it just completely 00:23:42.744 --> 00:23:44.984 felt like a regular Linux box that was just super fast. 00:23:45.484 --> 00:23:48.544 And I want to speak more to that when we get to what other distros should rip 00:23:48.544 --> 00:23:50.784 off, but I think that's enough for me. What did you think, Wes? 00:23:50.844 --> 00:23:52.264 I think you tried the Plasma edition, you said? 00:23:52.564 --> 00:23:53.304 Yes, I did. 00:23:53.424 --> 00:23:53.724 All right. 00:23:53.844 --> 00:23:57.304 How'd that go? So I finally got the, yeah, the installer over there, which was great. 00:23:58.504 --> 00:24:01.524 And as I was mentioning, right, when you kind of first come in, 00:24:01.624 --> 00:24:04.624 you get this Fedora loves KDE, Katie loves Fedora. 00:24:04.784 --> 00:24:04.904 Yeah. 00:24:05.024 --> 00:24:07.544 And it really shows because it's like within living memory, right, 00:24:07.644 --> 00:24:13.164 that the KDE spin was a little bit second class. And these days it is nothing but first class. 00:24:13.484 --> 00:24:17.164 And it's totally usable outside of the box. And, you know, I'm running Plasma 00:24:17.164 --> 00:24:20.884 all the time and it's just, it's a really nice, I don't find I need to do much 00:24:20.884 --> 00:24:23.824 to be able to just use it as a very productive computer. Yeah. 00:24:24.344 --> 00:24:29.264 Which I like. Except this time around, well, it turned out that just the way 00:24:29.264 --> 00:24:33.704 things aligned, Plasma 6.5 had just come out, but it hadn't really made it into Fedora yet. 00:24:34.404 --> 00:24:39.584 But SIG member Steve Cassette went ahead and made a copper that you could enable 00:24:39.584 --> 00:24:42.464 and easily get that. So, you know, I had to. 00:24:42.644 --> 00:24:47.884 That is awesome. Oh, great. So you get absolute fresh plasma. 00:24:48.064 --> 00:24:48.844 Yeah, fresh kernel. 00:24:49.104 --> 00:24:49.244 Yeah. 00:24:49.424 --> 00:24:51.344 Fresh Fedora. Fresh plasma. 00:24:51.344 --> 00:24:55.364 I do know he says, Steve says, every so often, KDE releases a new Plasma version 00:24:55.364 --> 00:24:58.544 smack at the start of Fedora's freeze period for a new release, 00:24:58.744 --> 00:25:01.324 forcing us to wait to create a new release in Fedora. 00:25:01.624 --> 00:25:06.844 This is fine for most users, but for some of us with the shiny syndrome, I have to admit that. 00:25:06.924 --> 00:25:07.264 Yeah. 00:25:07.384 --> 00:25:08.024 That hit a little bit. 00:25:08.024 --> 00:25:08.204 Us? 00:25:08.404 --> 00:25:08.584 Yeah. 00:25:08.584 --> 00:25:08.924 No. 00:25:10.184 --> 00:25:14.084 Those of us that want to see what's new in KDE Plasma 6.5, and we want to be 00:25:14.084 --> 00:25:15.124 able to update as soon as possible. 00:25:15.964 --> 00:25:19.524 My name is Steve, and I'm one of the KDSIG packagers, and I got a bit annoyed 00:25:19.524 --> 00:25:22.204 about the state of affairs, so I decided to do something about it. 00:25:22.304 --> 00:25:23.784 And we sure appreciate it. 00:25:23.984 --> 00:25:26.564 That's so great. So how did the installation go? 00:25:27.364 --> 00:25:31.364 Easy. I mean, I pretty much, there's like a one-liner to add the copper and 00:25:31.364 --> 00:25:36.364 then update your system, and I rebooted just, you know, for good measure, and I had it. 00:25:37.004 --> 00:25:39.404 And then after that, it's just been great because I've been playing with Plasma 00:25:39.404 --> 00:25:40.724 6.5, which is excellent. 00:25:40.904 --> 00:25:42.024 Are you enjoying your rounded corners? 00:25:42.144 --> 00:25:46.344 I am, yes. You get rounded corners. You also get automatic light to dark theme 00:25:46.344 --> 00:25:49.824 switching based on time of day, which I don't know, just feels like it must 00:25:49.824 --> 00:25:51.324 appeal to you, right? I do like that. 00:25:51.564 --> 00:25:54.524 Based on your love of home assistant automations. 00:25:54.664 --> 00:25:54.884 Uh-huh. 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:59.820 I like seeing, because I'm a huge clipboard manager, plasma addict, 00:26:00.080 --> 00:26:03.340 and so they've added pinned clipboard items with 6.5. 00:26:03.520 --> 00:26:04.000 Oh, brilliant. 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.240 Yeah, so if you have stuff you kind of just want to leave around, 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.520 you know, while you're working or forever. Your password, your password. 00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:10.300 Something like that. 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:12.500 Yeah, you can do that. There's some drawing tablet improvements, 00:26:12.700 --> 00:26:13.680 which is kind of nice to see. 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:18.980 They've also transformed what was the Flatpak permissions page into a general 00:26:18.980 --> 00:26:22.020 application permissions page, where you can configure apps ability to do things 00:26:22.020 --> 00:26:24.480 like take screenshots, accept remote control requests. 00:26:25.340 --> 00:26:30.540 Speaking of big improvements for the built-in RDP server, you can share the 00:26:30.540 --> 00:26:33.660 clipboard for one, which is pretty convenient when you're remote. 00:26:33.940 --> 00:26:38.240 You're also no longer required to manually create separate RDP accounts. 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:40.280 You can just use the regular accounts 00:26:40.280 --> 00:26:44.760 as you expect using the regular credentials in the RDP client app. 00:26:45.320 --> 00:26:50.060 So be careful with that. Don't go exposing that everywhere. But it's nice because 00:26:50.060 --> 00:26:55.540 it's been a long time to have like robust remote desktop Wayland era Linux world. 00:26:55.760 --> 00:26:59.960 And it feels like both on Gnome and on Plasma. It's like you really got options. 00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:02.360 It's just pretty much like check a box. 00:27:03.254 --> 00:27:03.994 On most distros. 00:27:04.154 --> 00:27:07.794 We tried this on our recent trip, and there's really mixed support in general 00:27:07.794 --> 00:27:13.434 on platforms, but on Plasma, the QR code sort of sharing of Wi-Fi networks, that's getting better. 00:27:13.634 --> 00:27:17.054 And they just actually show you the password too. So if the QR code doesn't 00:27:17.054 --> 00:27:20.954 work like we were experiencing, you have the password right there to share as well. 00:27:21.534 --> 00:27:24.434 There's been some audio improvements, which is nice just because there's a lot 00:27:24.434 --> 00:27:27.954 you can do with Pipewire these days, and some accessibility improvements, 00:27:28.434 --> 00:27:29.954 including the zoom effect can 00:27:29.954 --> 00:27:34.214 now be configured to jump to the position of your text insertion point, 00:27:34.854 --> 00:27:37.034 not just like to the mouse, which is kind of cool. 00:27:37.194 --> 00:27:38.894 Yeah. I do like to see that. 00:27:38.974 --> 00:27:42.134 There's also some new stuff like playing a sound when you plug in a device. 00:27:42.274 --> 00:27:44.734 Just to make it super clear, you also get a notification as well, 00:27:44.834 --> 00:27:46.594 but you can turn all of that off if you don't like it. 00:27:47.114 --> 00:27:48.594 You know, I'm like back in the XP days. 00:27:48.674 --> 00:27:50.814 Oh, yeah. I wonder if I can get that file. 00:27:51.414 --> 00:27:52.494 If anybody has a link. 00:27:53.314 --> 00:27:58.514 KRunner, the wonderful launcher on Plasma, that's getting some improvements too. 00:27:58.994 --> 00:28:02.834 It now uses fuzzy matching to look up applications in a more robust way. 00:28:03.054 --> 00:28:07.194 So even if you misspell an app's name, it'll probably still find it for you. 00:28:07.474 --> 00:28:08.594 Boy, that'll be useful for me. 00:28:08.774 --> 00:28:14.034 Yes. Also, the way that the search results are ordered has been improved and it's faster. 00:28:14.214 --> 00:28:17.554 It now provides these results after the very first character is typed. 00:28:17.814 --> 00:28:20.174 So all things that you want in a launcher. 00:28:21.694 --> 00:28:24.894 Discover's getting nicer too, right? You talked about Kinoite getting updates 00:28:24.894 --> 00:28:27.714 this time around. So Discover will be improving to help with that. 00:28:27.934 --> 00:28:33.254 It's also got support now for Flatpak plus HTTPS URLs, which means the install 00:28:33.254 --> 00:28:35.194 buttons on FlatHub actually work. 00:28:35.234 --> 00:28:36.634 Yes, yes. Which is great. 00:28:38.504 --> 00:28:40.404 A long-awaited feature. 00:28:41.144 --> 00:28:44.064 There's also some improvements to the emoji picker, which is just nice, 00:28:44.164 --> 00:28:45.424 because that's turned out to be a pretty handy... 00:28:45.424 --> 00:28:45.944 People use that. 00:28:46.044 --> 00:28:47.064 They really do. 00:28:47.224 --> 00:28:47.984 Not us, of course. 00:28:48.064 --> 00:28:52.284 No, never. There's also some nice KWIN improvements, including the much-talked-about 00:28:52.284 --> 00:28:57.264 overlay panes, which sort of reduce compositing when you have a full screen or a game going on. 00:28:57.684 --> 00:29:00.684 They've also optimized various stuff like the splash screen code, 00:29:00.884 --> 00:29:04.864 rearranging some of the startup steps, reducing the duration of the login animation. 00:29:04.864 --> 00:29:10.564 A lot of things to make, not only long-time applications and windowing faster, 00:29:10.624 --> 00:29:12.224 but also just getting to your desktop. 00:29:13.134 --> 00:29:21.334 I'll mention, because that's all great, I will mention that GNOME 49 ships in the workstation spin. 00:29:21.574 --> 00:29:25.014 And we have talked about this before a bit, so I'll just mention a couple of quick highlights. 00:29:25.274 --> 00:29:30.674 There's a new document viewer papers in here, new calendar updates as well. 00:29:30.794 --> 00:29:35.134 But I wanted to actually touch on the similar thing here. 00:29:35.274 --> 00:29:39.614 They've increased or improved, enhanced is the word they used, 00:29:40.034 --> 00:29:43.594 the remote desktop capabilities. and they provide more capabilities for those 00:29:43.594 --> 00:29:47.374 that want to connect to GNOME desktops from otherware, otherware like multi-touch. 00:29:47.474 --> 00:29:50.894 So I guess probably if you're coming in from a tablet, that could be really nice. 00:29:50.974 --> 00:29:54.494 Relative mouse input is required by some apps and it's particularly relative 00:29:54.494 --> 00:29:57.334 to those playing games over a remote connection. 00:29:57.634 --> 00:30:00.134 Okay, what? I want to see that bug report. 00:30:00.314 --> 00:30:05.014 See, this is, okay, this is impressive. Extended virtual monitors. 00:30:05.334 --> 00:30:09.474 It is now possible to have additional virtual monitors when using GNOME as a remote desktop. 00:30:09.854 --> 00:30:13.534 Additional displays can be added to the remote desktop session from the remote 00:30:13.534 --> 00:30:17.054 desktop client even when there aren't additional displays physically present. 00:30:17.494 --> 00:30:18.954 Brent's going to make so many of these. 00:30:19.054 --> 00:30:19.974 Oh, I want to do this. 00:30:19.974 --> 00:30:20.754 That sounds like I want that. 00:30:22.434 --> 00:30:26.094 I think we might need to have some sort of remote desktop competition. 00:30:26.454 --> 00:30:29.994 Oh, that's a good idea. You should write that down. We've mentioned this before, 00:30:30.034 --> 00:30:34.674 but just really quickly, the lock screen has had some security improvements, 00:30:35.754 --> 00:30:38.514 specifically around media controls and the way it runs. 00:30:38.694 --> 00:30:41.634 The Do Not Disturb toggle has been moved from the notifications is listed to 00:30:41.634 --> 00:30:44.234 the quick settings for more consistent experience. 00:30:44.714 --> 00:30:47.834 Power connected status with the battery icon on the top bar now indicates when 00:30:47.834 --> 00:30:50.434 the computer is connected to power or if it's charging or not, 00:30:50.994 --> 00:30:52.934 like the preserved battery health setting. 00:30:53.514 --> 00:30:57.374 And you now have better HDR brightness controls. And you can also reboot and 00:30:57.374 --> 00:31:00.354 shut down from the lock screen in a way that is implemented in the, 00:31:00.374 --> 00:31:03.194 I guess you could say, secure and improved way. 00:31:04.188 --> 00:31:08.088 And there's also image loading that's been sandboxed. We mentioned this too 00:31:08.088 --> 00:31:10.448 before, but GTK apps now have sandboxed image loading. 00:31:10.668 --> 00:31:11.668 That is a big thing. 00:31:11.808 --> 00:31:15.708 Yeah, so a really nice GNOME 49, and you can get, if you like, 00:31:15.828 --> 00:31:20.208 if you're crazy, you can even get the absolute latest Plasma in 43. 00:31:20.588 --> 00:31:25.748 So there's a lot to like between the spins and just the flexibility of both 00:31:25.748 --> 00:31:28.868 Workstation and the KDE spin. There's a lot to like. 00:31:29.408 --> 00:31:31.988 But I think there's something in here, and you touched on it earlier, 00:31:31.988 --> 00:31:34.928 that just about every other distro could focus on a bit more. 00:31:35.848 --> 00:31:40.428 And Fedora's not perfect, so I'm not trying to, as the kids would say, glaze them here. 00:31:41.168 --> 00:31:44.408 And the more familiar you are with anything, the more flaws you see. 00:31:45.088 --> 00:31:49.788 But one of the things that we notice by going through the release notes of the 00:31:49.788 --> 00:31:53.608 different distributions is Fedora is constantly... 00:31:55.205 --> 00:32:00.965 tidying things up and moving forward in technical areas and in little areas 00:32:00.965 --> 00:32:05.785 that I think other distributions maybe ignore for a few years longer than they should sometimes. 00:32:06.005 --> 00:32:09.325 Yeah, not only is there like a sort of modern aspect to it, but you're right. 00:32:09.465 --> 00:32:12.185 There's sort of like an attention to detail, a dotting the I's, 00:32:12.305 --> 00:32:16.325 crossing the T's, making sure as upstream changes, you are still doing like 00:32:16.325 --> 00:32:19.845 the integration and configuration of those components the best way that you can. 00:32:20.585 --> 00:32:22.885 And sometimes, you know, people don't like some of the changes. 00:32:22.885 --> 00:32:28.745 Like an example this time might be, they're rolling with GNOME removing X11 support. 00:32:29.145 --> 00:32:34.445 But there's other things in here. In fact, I did some recent examples of just this sort of thing. 00:32:34.825 --> 00:32:38.845 In Fedora 33, SystemD, ResolveD, and it was enabled by default. 00:32:39.765 --> 00:32:45.405 ButterFS was also in Fedora 33. PipeWire landed in 34. WirePlumber in 35. 00:32:45.445 --> 00:32:47.005 They were really early on that. 00:32:47.405 --> 00:32:51.305 They were also aggressively early on smarter out-of-memory handling. 00:32:51.645 --> 00:32:54.545 They rolled out a first version in 32 and improved 00:32:54.545 --> 00:32:57.565 it in 34 switch to ntfs tables 00:32:57.565 --> 00:33:01.525 in the 32 to 41 releases unified 00:33:01.525 --> 00:33:04.245 user bin and slash user sbin with a 00:33:04.245 --> 00:33:06.885 symlink in fedora 42 and so on and 00:33:06.885 --> 00:33:09.725 etc like there's to small things to large 00:33:09.725 --> 00:33:12.585 things like audio subsystems where they're constantly pushing 00:33:12.585 --> 00:33:16.905 this stuff forward in a way that has 00:33:16.905 --> 00:33:20.325 been a very consistent user experience the 00:33:20.325 --> 00:33:23.685 end result that i get is something that feels clean and 00:33:23.685 --> 00:33:29.085 modern it's a weird thing to say because all linux especially compared to its 00:33:29.085 --> 00:33:34.105 commercial counterparts all linux is very modern but fedora feels especially 00:33:34.105 --> 00:33:40.045 leading edge and modern even compared to arch and and rolling mix os it's just 00:33:40.045 --> 00:33:42.965 because it's not just about the packages right. 00:33:42.965 --> 00:33:46.845 Yeah there's something you get extra it's not just uh straight upstream, 00:33:48.373 --> 00:33:49.033 In a good way. 00:33:49.273 --> 00:33:53.993 Yeah. And I think this sort of attention to modernization in detail and trying 00:33:53.993 --> 00:33:58.613 to track upstream is something that other distributions could ape from a little bit. 00:33:59.173 --> 00:34:04.093 Some of our other large distribution friends out there, they kind of build up some technical debt. 00:34:04.153 --> 00:34:06.333 And then they come along and they make big dramatic changes, 00:34:07.293 --> 00:34:09.093 big sweeping changes. And that's very exciting. 00:34:09.573 --> 00:34:13.573 Right. But Fedora is very iterative. It's always like and it's only when you 00:34:13.573 --> 00:34:17.253 look back at three or four releases and you go, whoa. 00:34:17.253 --> 00:34:21.113 Which is also meant I think as you've experienced yourself right like it's also 00:34:21.113 --> 00:34:25.033 something where you get a lot of updates but you're happy to do the updates 00:34:25.033 --> 00:34:28.413 especially with you know DNF under the hood which is every time I use Fedora 00:34:28.413 --> 00:34:31.473 it's just it's a great package manager I'm. 00:34:31.473 --> 00:34:37.693 Using RPMOS tree now Wes so I don't I don't use DNF but that's real nice, 00:34:40.484 --> 00:34:44.804 Join crowdhealth.com slash unplugged. 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Boys, we got a bunch of emails 00:39:45.910 --> 00:39:51.450 on recommendations for a low-power but semi-powerful home lab sent in via the 00:39:51.450 --> 00:39:52.470 contact page in the booth. 00:39:52.590 --> 00:39:55.450 Thank you, everybody who did that. I'm processing all of them. 00:39:56.790 --> 00:40:00.210 And yeah, a couple of themes came through. 00:40:00.650 --> 00:40:03.750 Some Lenovo hardware and some Beelink hardware, a couple of themes, 00:40:04.130 --> 00:40:07.890 definitely. And they're really good options. So, yeah, I'll have more on that in the future. 00:40:08.270 --> 00:40:11.030 Tell you more about that. We got an email from Lep Listener, 00:40:11.070 --> 00:40:15.270 and I feel like maybe we've had a blind spot here, and he kind of brings it to our attention. 00:40:16.210 --> 00:40:22.050 He says, I'm moving off of Windows 10 now, and I'll be trying out Zorin OS or 00:40:22.050 --> 00:40:26.790 Winix for moving from my SDR and HAM software and hardware. 00:40:27.490 --> 00:40:30.490 At first, Winix seems better, but time will tell. 00:40:30.650 --> 00:40:32.370 That's a Linux, but with a W. 00:40:33.050 --> 00:40:36.050 Maybe this could be a topic and could get some new listeners. 00:40:36.690 --> 00:40:39.410 And, you know, I don't think we've given much attention to this end of Windows 00:40:39.410 --> 00:40:42.130 10, but this is a big moment for a lot of Windows users. 00:40:43.050 --> 00:40:44.290 Lupfan brings up a good point. 00:40:44.330 --> 00:40:44.870 This is true. 00:40:46.910 --> 00:40:52.470 So I'm not a big fan of Winux. This is my opinion, and it's not a particularly well-researched one. 00:40:52.790 --> 00:40:57.070 But what it is, and this is not necessarily a bad thing, and this is, 00:40:57.290 --> 00:41:00.150 I'm just, it's a paid distribution. 00:41:00.750 --> 00:41:07.130 And what they've done is they have packaged Ubuntu and they put a Windows theme 00:41:07.130 --> 00:41:10.470 on top of it and then they sell that to you and you buy a pro key. 00:41:11.330 --> 00:41:21.030 So Winux 64-bit is based on Ubuntu 24.03 LTS and you could just get this theme 00:41:21.030 --> 00:41:29.030 for free on Ubuntu 24.04 LTS and the pro key. Let's see. Does it tell us? 00:41:30.405 --> 00:41:33.485 They call it a donation. Isn't that interesting? 00:41:34.525 --> 00:41:40.825 So the Pro Key is $35. You get the appearance and the control of Windows-inspired themes. 00:41:40.965 --> 00:41:45.145 You get a Windows-style control panel, improved support for .exe and MSI applications. 00:41:45.445 --> 00:41:47.445 So they're basically making wine. 00:41:47.705 --> 00:41:49.025 Yeah, I think they say they have Winboat. 00:41:49.485 --> 00:41:53.925 Oh, okay. Active Directory support, native graphics, support for OneDrive, 00:41:54.185 --> 00:41:57.345 native OneDrive File Explorer, Android subsystem, power tools, 00:41:57.745 --> 00:42:03.645 improvements to the Copilot and ChatGPT subsystem, lifetime key is $35. 00:42:05.205 --> 00:42:09.005 Yeah, I think it's your decision if that's of a personal value to you. 00:42:09.985 --> 00:42:14.825 I think you would probably be better served by just using Ubuntu LTS. 00:42:16.645 --> 00:42:22.185 There's kind of an idiom in Linux that goes the further out from the most commonly 00:42:22.185 --> 00:42:24.785 used system, the harder that is. 00:42:25.085 --> 00:42:28.785 And like, so you're picking something that's a derivative of Ubuntu. 00:42:28.785 --> 00:42:36.045 and so if it ever breaks you're only going to get support from them and their very small user base or. 00:42:36.045 --> 00:42:40.685 If the thing that supports Ubuntu that you try to run on it that that breaks, 00:42:41.225 --> 00:42:42.885 probably on you to figure out the delta. 00:42:42.885 --> 00:42:49.145 Yeah there's that where there's millions of users that use Ubuntu and there's 00:42:49.145 --> 00:42:52.165 a giant support community out there and there's also people you could contact 00:42:52.165 --> 00:42:53.965 that's just something to consider, 00:42:55.185 --> 00:42:58.145 Zoran may be worth trying I haven't spent a lot of time with Zoran, 00:42:59.685 --> 00:43:02.925 maybe we should I'd be curious to know if people would like to know our opinion 00:43:02.925 --> 00:43:05.825 on Zorn I'd kick the tires we should. 00:43:05.825 --> 00:43:08.165 Probably run some windows again for a bit and then, 00:43:09.579 --> 00:43:10.439 switch to Zorin. 00:43:10.659 --> 00:43:15.899 I would be concerned about the people who rely on these pseudo-Windows experiences, 00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:20.479 to adopt Linux because you're going to get burned eventually. 00:43:20.979 --> 00:43:21.059 Yeah. 00:43:21.619 --> 00:43:26.199 I know people often say, oh, you know, KD Plasma is the Windows-like experience 00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:30.339 and GNOME is the Mac-like experience, which is completely and utterly wrong for a lot of reasons. 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:37.519 Neither KD nor GNOME are actively trying to aim towards that direction but there are people who, 00:43:38.439 --> 00:43:44.139 want to see patterns that aren't there, for example, and the problem is that 00:43:44.139 --> 00:43:48.839 if you start reinforcing it with other things then what you wind up having is 00:43:48.839 --> 00:43:52.679 you're subtly tricking the users into thinking this is the same system that they had before, 00:43:52.919 --> 00:43:57.519 and as soon as that superficial skin breaks, 00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.159 the users will be more upset than they were before. 00:44:01.999 --> 00:44:04.939 I'm glad you're touching on this. I think another way to put this because i 00:44:04.939 --> 00:44:07.579 i thought about this when it came in and i forgot to mention it neil but you 00:44:07.579 --> 00:44:12.479 reminded me is it creates a misalignment of expectations exactly and i think 00:44:12.479 --> 00:44:15.959 that's the core problem is people expect it to be to behave and function and 00:44:15.959 --> 00:44:19.159 do the things windows does and it's not windows well. 00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:24.099 We got another email here from adam who's also a member thanks for reviewing 00:44:24.099 --> 00:44:28.619 my nix config it was really fun hearing what others thought of it so another 00:44:28.619 --> 00:44:30.459 plus one for nick's config. 00:44:30.459 --> 00:44:31.719 Oh all right uh. 00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:35.579 Chris you were right my machine boomer oh i remember this one. 00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:36.979 Of course yeah yeah isn't. 00:44:36.979 --> 00:44:41.299 My only host it's named after the battle star galactica character and because 00:44:41.299 --> 00:44:44.099 it's my desktop with the most horsepower it booms. 00:44:44.099 --> 00:44:49.639 I like it i do i do prefer our theory that it was this config for your parents, 00:44:51.582 --> 00:44:52.342 that makes sense too. 00:44:52.342 --> 00:44:56.522 Uh does send you a little shame uh shade here though uh chris yeah not sure 00:44:56.522 --> 00:45:02.022 how you missed my prowler.nix file sitting right next to sonar.nix and radar.nix. 00:45:02.022 --> 00:45:06.962 That's my bad i will uh i will count those points towards you again sorry i 00:45:06.962 --> 00:45:12.082 docked you for that that's good i'm glad to hear those are by the way things 00:45:12.082 --> 00:45:15.802 people should look into if they haven't that's all i'll say about that uh he 00:45:15.802 --> 00:45:17.842 does call you out a bit but not in a bad way. 00:45:17.842 --> 00:45:23.742 Yeah i mentioned um that but Adam has a nice structure with explicit modules in his Nix setup. 00:45:24.042 --> 00:45:27.922 He credits his old Puppet experience showing, because in Puppet you write generic 00:45:27.922 --> 00:45:32.082 modules that you can reuse across machines, and Adam's trying to do the same 00:45:32.082 --> 00:45:34.062 thing with Nix, and it definitely shows. 00:45:34.082 --> 00:45:36.662 Portable configs makes a match anywhere. 00:45:37.022 --> 00:45:40.682 As an example, Adam mentions his Telegraph module, which runs on every host. 00:45:41.222 --> 00:45:45.782 Also using my Flake for Ursa, which I need to update. I started doing that and 00:45:45.782 --> 00:45:47.262 got distracted with other things. 00:45:47.902 --> 00:45:52.782 sounds like maybe here though reports on getting hardware acceleration when 00:45:52.782 --> 00:45:54.782 i play stream and vtop shows gpu activity, 00:45:55.916 --> 00:45:59.456 Ersets reports hardware acceleration as enabled, but the logs always complain, 00:45:59.956 --> 00:46:03.836 unable to determine VAPI compatibilities. Please install VA info. 00:46:04.116 --> 00:46:05.656 But you're seeing activity in... 00:46:05.656 --> 00:46:09.316 Oh, so we commented, yeah. So that last commit was my vain attempt to fix that. 00:46:09.376 --> 00:46:13.136 Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah. Oh, the newer QSV method, he notes, has a bug where the 00:46:13.136 --> 00:46:15.976 audio lags about two seconds behind the video. Oh! 00:46:16.376 --> 00:46:20.276 Yeah, so had to set the FFmpeg profile to use VAPI acceleration with the IHD 00:46:20.276 --> 00:46:22.776 driver for the N100 media server. 00:46:22.956 --> 00:46:26.976 Also mentions maybe to fix some of those issues with vappy maybe we need libva 00:46:26.976 --> 00:46:30.176 utils yeah we could definitely i could take a look at that when i touch ersatz 00:46:30.176 --> 00:46:34.196 next so thank you for uh testing that because i've only i haven't had as much 00:46:34.196 --> 00:46:36.076 time to actually get it really going as i'd like. 00:46:36.076 --> 00:46:39.416 I had ersatz going on three screens over the weekend i. 00:46:39.416 --> 00:46:44.116 Was looking that they've done some nice looking updates like their changelog is full of good things. 00:46:44.116 --> 00:46:47.036 One of the things that i like doing this is an aside 00:46:47.036 --> 00:46:49.876 but i like to set up holiday channels so i have 00:46:49.876 --> 00:46:52.596 right now a halloween channel which i'll turn off and then 00:46:52.596 --> 00:46:55.416 i'll start i'll turn on a Christmas channel and then I turn them off after 00:46:55.416 --> 00:46:58.076 the season's over so that way people don't otherwise the kids 00:46:58.076 --> 00:47:01.756 just watch them and yeah being able to have a go on multiple screens is so great 00:47:01.756 --> 00:47:06.816 it's so fantastic and I'll just I'll sometimes I'll just go on YouTube and find 00:47:06.816 --> 00:47:11.176 some of those long Halloween video loops you know with the different music and 00:47:11.176 --> 00:47:13.636 stuff and throw that in there you can throw all kinds of stuff in there it's 00:47:13.636 --> 00:47:17.096 such a great application and then another fun thing you can do is, 00:47:17.596 --> 00:47:20.596 have the kids pick the colors for the different smart lights that can change 00:47:20.596 --> 00:47:24.296 colors go around and have them pick they love that Well. 00:47:24.416 --> 00:47:27.956 We have another note here from Alan Bacon, who says, hey there, 00:47:28.536 --> 00:47:30.836 long time party member, first time writing in. 00:47:31.396 --> 00:47:31.996 Hey! 00:47:33.906 --> 00:47:37.826 I was just listening to the latest Unplugged episode where you guys were looking 00:47:37.826 --> 00:47:42.566 for a name for the audience, and I think I have something not half bad that 00:47:42.566 --> 00:47:44.906 might just fit the Jupiter Broadcasting brand. 00:47:45.706 --> 00:47:50.046 The Colony. It keeps in theme with that space theme, Star Trek, 00:47:50.206 --> 00:47:52.506 the launch, et cetera. What do you think? 00:47:52.806 --> 00:47:56.326 We have in the past. In fact, that's the domain name for our matrix server. 00:47:56.526 --> 00:47:59.006 I think that's the way to lean into then, the Colony. 00:47:59.346 --> 00:48:02.746 So that's when we're talking about the audience, we'll just refer to it as the Colony. 00:48:03.266 --> 00:48:07.306 That'll be our, you know, our cute love name. Only those of you that listen 00:48:07.306 --> 00:48:09.246 to this specific episode will know what the hell we're talking about. 00:48:09.406 --> 00:48:10.606 Subscribe. Grow the colony. 00:48:15.026 --> 00:48:18.966 Mr. Bacon also says here, have a good one from up north in French, 00:48:19.026 --> 00:48:22.086 Canada. The real French, not like that wannabe Brent. 00:48:22.906 --> 00:48:25.806 Oh, Brent. I'm sorry. I didn't know that was in there. 00:48:26.086 --> 00:48:28.046 Well, those Acadians, you know, you gotta. 00:48:28.766 --> 00:48:33.886 Is that a thing? Is there tension between the, you know, like the half French 00:48:33.886 --> 00:48:37.006 Canadians and the real French Canadians? Hey, what? 00:48:37.226 --> 00:48:42.746 What does half mean? I mean, I think what you're hearing in my voice is the answer is yes. 00:48:43.366 --> 00:48:47.066 You know, after like 5,000 miles in the States, you're really becoming one of us. 00:48:47.546 --> 00:48:49.286 Louisiana has some French down there. 00:48:50.026 --> 00:48:53.826 I mean, Chris, it's a problem in all the Francophonie speaking areas. 00:48:54.186 --> 00:48:54.486 Francophonie? 00:48:54.566 --> 00:48:55.126 That's a whole. 00:48:55.706 --> 00:48:56.726 I love humans. 00:48:56.886 --> 00:48:57.446 They're so great. 00:48:57.866 --> 00:49:01.506 We're just the best. Love it. Thank you, everybody, for the emails. 00:49:01.786 --> 00:49:05.046 Appreciate it very much. LinuxUnplugged.com slash contact. 00:49:10.015 --> 00:49:12.755 And, of course, you can also send a boost into the show, support us, 00:49:12.775 --> 00:49:15.455 and get a message. If it's above 2,000 sats, we read it. 00:49:15.635 --> 00:49:20.935 And our baller booster this week got it on discount. It's Turd Ferguson with 43,000 sats. 00:49:23.955 --> 00:49:27.755 43,000 sats for Fedora 43 Review. Always look forward to hearing your takes 00:49:27.755 --> 00:49:30.855 and realize it was valuable to me. Ah, this is a live boost. 00:49:31.055 --> 00:49:31.335 Nice. 00:49:31.495 --> 00:49:32.855 Thank you, Turd. Appreciate that. 00:49:32.855 --> 00:49:33.915 Now to the pending. Cool. 00:49:34.675 --> 00:49:36.075 I appreciate that, Turd. Yeah. 00:49:36.435 --> 00:49:39.895 Yeah, we mark, if you have a podcasting 2.0 app, we mark the live stream. 00:49:40.015 --> 00:49:42.635 and schedule it pending ahead of time. So if you ever wonder, 00:49:42.715 --> 00:49:45.835 the guy's going to have a live show today or what time is it at or did it get 00:49:45.835 --> 00:49:47.675 rescheduled? We mark it as pending. 00:49:48.235 --> 00:49:52.395 I try to do it about 24 hours before the live stream and it'll show up in your 00:49:52.395 --> 00:49:54.355 list of apps. Or I'm sorry, your list of podcasts. 00:49:54.875 --> 00:49:59.675 As a baller here, I'd like to mention that about half the fuel that went into 00:49:59.675 --> 00:50:03.115 the van on the way home was from sats that we received from listeners. 00:50:03.735 --> 00:50:06.815 And I got those just directly into the gas tank. 00:50:06.935 --> 00:50:11.675 So I wanted to say a huge thank you everyone who boosted in and also fake boosted 00:50:11.675 --> 00:50:14.955 in to allow me to get home. Thank you. That made a huge difference. 00:50:15.275 --> 00:50:15.795 And get there. 00:50:15.915 --> 00:50:16.995 Right, right, right. 00:50:18.035 --> 00:50:21.855 Thank you, everyone. Yeah, absolutely. Yes, indeed. 00:50:22.395 --> 00:50:25.915 Tom H.O. comes in with 9001 Satoshis. 00:50:28.746 --> 00:50:31.286 Here's a little power usage data point for you, Chris. 00:50:31.466 --> 00:50:31.546 Okay. 00:50:31.766 --> 00:50:38.606 My NetBSD desktop, so not a big hog like Linux, but is a ThinkCenter M710Q, 00:50:39.126 --> 00:50:40.946 generation older than the 720. 00:50:41.306 --> 00:50:44.646 The M710Q, I think, was probably one of the number one recommendations. 00:50:44.886 --> 00:50:45.166 Aha. 00:50:45.586 --> 00:50:48.426 Okay, so I'm interested to hear an in-the-field report. 00:50:48.566 --> 00:50:51.866 They can both take 32 gigs. Mine has 16 in the second disk. 00:50:52.306 --> 00:50:57.046 Measured from mains, it idles at 12 watts and uses around 25 to 30 under load. 00:50:57.046 --> 00:51:00.086 and for the listeners how about jovenauts. 00:51:00.086 --> 00:51:01.806 Jovenauts well. 00:51:01.806 --> 00:51:03.366 If you want to opt self-opt into that. 00:51:03.366 --> 00:51:06.386 Yeah we won't complain uh 12 watts idle 00:51:06.386 --> 00:51:09.666 is a bit high but not unreasonable 30 watts 00:51:09.666 --> 00:51:12.486 is dangerous but if it's only under 00:51:12.486 --> 00:51:15.246 massive load and i've consolidated i can see that working 00:51:15.246 --> 00:51:20.466 if i could get 32 gigs of ram in that puppy and a couple of discs and then you 00:51:20.466 --> 00:51:22.986 know i probably have to do a couple external discs that's the thing i don't 00:51:22.986 --> 00:51:28.346 like is i don't see a way where i could have a large internal array and it needs 00:51:28.346 --> 00:51:34.146 to be solid state so it gets expensive pretty quick externally but uh that is nice considered. 00:51:34.146 --> 00:51:36.146 Um towing a small fission reactor. 00:51:36.146 --> 00:51:41.786 Good idea that's some good real world uh i really appreciate the actual power 00:51:41.786 --> 00:51:46.106 usage numbers if anybody else has that for their mini pc home lab machine please 00:51:46.106 --> 00:51:50.266 do send it in especially if you could beat 30 watts under load love to see that. 00:51:50.266 --> 00:51:54.266 We've got op1984 here with 4 000 sats, 00:51:56.556 --> 00:52:02.956 Well, this was a timely episode. Thanks to the AWS outage, my smart things automations all failed. 00:52:03.256 --> 00:52:06.096 And that was all I needed to stop putting off making the switch. 00:52:06.456 --> 00:52:12.696 Bonus, my 70-plus-year-old mother has, after 10 years of resisting, agreed to try Linux. 00:52:13.156 --> 00:52:17.596 Linux Mint specifically, since her Windows 11 laptop is having tons of issues 00:52:17.596 --> 00:52:19.456 and I'm always having to fix the darn thing. 00:52:19.856 --> 00:52:25.256 A year with LibreOffice instead of paying for Microsoft 365 five just got her 00:52:25.256 --> 00:52:30.556 to see FOSS as a user friendly option and not just for the hacker man. 00:52:31.316 --> 00:52:33.216 Wow, that's wonderful to hear. 00:52:33.696 --> 00:52:36.856 LibreOffice coming in as the sale closer there. 00:52:36.956 --> 00:52:41.376 Well, you can tell you're taking a thoughtful, long term approach to make this 00:52:41.376 --> 00:52:45.276 happen and it's finally really paying off and that's that seems great for not 00:52:45.276 --> 00:52:47.356 only your mom, but also you as the support person. 00:52:47.536 --> 00:52:52.196 Yeah, love that. Nice win there. Thanks for sending that our way. Love hearing those. 00:52:52.516 --> 00:52:57.056 I always love when some kind of power outage or service outage also moves people 00:52:57.056 --> 00:52:59.796 to bigger and better things. I'm assuming home assistant here. 00:52:59.996 --> 00:53:02.516 So go call any members. 00:53:03.076 --> 00:53:07.756 A follow-up, since I did the YOLO delete of the random zombie adapter, 00:53:08.596 --> 00:53:10.256 the Zigbee network has been totally solid. 00:53:10.456 --> 00:53:10.876 Nice. 00:53:11.036 --> 00:53:14.156 Totally solid. And that's even after going down and relocating, 00:53:14.316 --> 00:53:16.116 which you never know. It's all been good. 00:53:17.136 --> 00:53:21.396 Thor comes in with a supercharged roe of ducks, 2,444 sats. 00:53:26.554 --> 00:53:29.774 More Nix is good, and yes to more config confessions, please. 00:53:30.394 --> 00:53:33.534 Also, I can identify with Colony. It's on the theme of JB. 00:53:33.834 --> 00:53:34.534 Well, there we go. 00:53:34.654 --> 00:53:35.894 Thanks, Thor. Appreciate that. 00:53:37.314 --> 00:53:40.754 Augustin Bussin with 3,714 sets. 00:53:43.614 --> 00:53:48.234 Just wanted to give a shout-out to an email server called Mox, M-O-X. 00:53:48.394 --> 00:53:48.714 Oh, yeah. 00:53:48.874 --> 00:53:51.554 For anyone who feels crazy enough to self-host your own email, 00:53:51.734 --> 00:53:55.534 it's a modern Go-based email server that I found very easy to set up, 00:53:55.534 --> 00:53:58.674 which is saying something because email servers are not always easy to set up. 00:53:58.894 --> 00:54:04.014 Been running it for the past year on a VPS without issues. There's even a NICS package for it. 00:54:04.374 --> 00:54:08.874 You know, this had come across in one of my searches, and I had not heard any 00:54:08.874 --> 00:54:11.274 reports of it. And I'm just looking at it now that you bring it up. 00:54:11.994 --> 00:54:15.834 This is great. We're getting some super good in-the-field reports. 00:54:16.534 --> 00:54:19.834 Really, really high value there. Appreciate that a lot. All right, 00:54:19.874 --> 00:54:22.814 so that's mox. It's xmox.nl. 00:54:22.834 --> 00:54:24.534 That's xmox.nl. 00:54:24.674 --> 00:54:26.674 If you want to check it out. 00:54:27.534 --> 00:54:30.014 Thank you for that. Appreciate that one. 00:54:30.374 --> 00:54:35.134 Distro Stu comes in with 11,111 sats. 00:54:39.300 --> 00:54:45.340 I loved the NixConfig reviews episode, and there are so many interesting ones in GitHub as well. 00:54:45.680 --> 00:54:51.660 Every system I have has an alias U that updates everything regardless of package manager. 00:54:51.900 --> 00:54:57.020 And I did it this way in Nix for quite a long time, but eventually it started causing issues. 00:54:57.120 --> 00:55:02.360 So now I have it broken out into more granular aliases, and he does link us 00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:09.980 to those aliases in their NixOS repo. feel free to roast the configs of course 00:55:09.980 --> 00:55:11.540 while you're there and p.s. 00:55:11.540 --> 00:55:12.120 Uh thanks. 00:55:12.120 --> 00:55:14.180 For showcasing my reader app saver. 00:55:14.180 --> 00:55:18.080 Oh yeah yeah well done that's great 00:55:18.080 --> 00:55:20.900 all right we'll save that one i think we're gonna have to start building a stash 00:55:20.900 --> 00:55:25.640 i think so thank you distro stew appreciate that kiwi bitcoin guides here with 00:55:25.640 --> 00:55:34.560 3456 sats i like that thank you kiwi says uh thanks for the explainer on the 00:55:34.560 --> 00:55:39.460 distros uh more questions to follow and plus one for a deep dive on the albi hub stuff, 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:43.360 yeah indeed we're talking more about that something we'll do i don't we don't 00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.980 have anything planned yet so if you have any specific questions you can still 00:55:45.980 --> 00:55:48.860 get them in and we'll it'll help inform the coverage. 00:55:48.860 --> 00:55:55.220 Anonymous boosts in with 2021 sets about to start my home assistant journey. 00:55:55.220 --> 00:56:00.920 Oh let's take a moment oh to be at the beginning oh coming in with. 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:01.780 Podverse too nice. 00:56:01.780 --> 00:56:05.820 This is my Picard moment when he's dying in the cave and Wesley's, 00:56:05.820 --> 00:56:08.960 you know, leaning over him and Picard's like, to be young again. 00:56:09.160 --> 00:56:11.800 You know that moment I'm thinking of? That's how I feel right now. 00:56:12.620 --> 00:56:15.400 Do keep us posted. Very excited. I think you're going to love it. 00:56:15.820 --> 00:56:19.160 Start, you know, start with like a small win. Don't go crazy. 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:23.320 Don't go crazy. But then once you get the small win, go crazy. Obviously. 00:56:24.200 --> 00:56:28.920 Well, adversary 17 is here. 16,384 sets. 00:56:35.202 --> 00:56:40.342 Yeah, I got a name for us listeners. The Jupitiers. We are pioneers of the false space. 00:56:41.562 --> 00:56:44.022 I can't help but picture the Rocketeer, you know? 00:56:44.122 --> 00:56:44.462 Oh, yeah? 00:56:44.662 --> 00:56:45.242 Remember that movie? 00:56:45.342 --> 00:56:45.562 Uh-huh. 00:56:46.502 --> 00:56:48.422 I don't know, adversaries. I don't know. 00:56:48.622 --> 00:56:50.102 You have to unsee Colony, I think. 00:56:50.282 --> 00:56:52.722 Yeah, I love Colony because we already have it in so many places. 00:56:54.342 --> 00:56:58.102 The Jupitiers, maybe the Jupitiers are the individual members of the Colony? 00:56:58.222 --> 00:57:00.322 I don't know. You know, because the Colony could be the whole. 00:57:01.942 --> 00:57:05.702 We could workshop that. We could workshop that. Hey, look who it is, 00:57:05.782 --> 00:57:09.162 boys. The Golden Dragon is here with 2,222 sats. 00:57:11.522 --> 00:57:14.362 I listened to this week, but I don't remember what I had to say as it was late. 00:57:14.582 --> 00:57:16.262 Here's some support for the excellent episode, Howard. 00:57:17.302 --> 00:57:19.422 Oh, you still boosted. That's so sweet. 00:57:19.542 --> 00:57:23.042 Oh, God, that's great. I love it. Thank you. I appreciate that. 00:57:26.722 --> 00:57:29.362 That's pretty good. That's pretty good, Golden Dragon. Also, 00:57:29.422 --> 00:57:31.762 thank you to everybody who streams sats as you listen. 00:57:31.902 --> 00:57:37.462 We had 24 of you do that, and collectively, You stack 26,238 sats. 00:57:37.962 --> 00:57:40.782 When you combine that with our boosters, it's not a super strong episode. 00:57:41.662 --> 00:57:48.502 But you know what? It's not also a disaster. I'll say that. We stacked a grand total of 123,691. 00:57:48.782 --> 00:57:51.322 123,691 sats. 00:57:57.250 --> 00:58:00.990 The easiest way to boost the show is with Fountain.fm. It's also a podcasting 00:58:00.990 --> 00:58:06.130 2.0 app, so it means you also get the podcasting 2.0 chapters, you get the transcript, 00:58:06.530 --> 00:58:10.670 you also get the live stream integration with the pending, and a bunch of other 00:58:10.670 --> 00:58:13.770 special features, including the ability to boost, and they self-host all of that. 00:58:13.910 --> 00:58:18.550 Or you can go down the adventurous route of AlbiHub, and then you compare that to a number of apps. 00:58:18.750 --> 00:58:22.850 On iOS, Castomatic is absolutely fantastic. Podverse is a popular one in our 00:58:22.850 --> 00:58:24.110 community because it's GPL3. 00:58:24.330 --> 00:58:26.150 You can also just boost from the podcast index. 00:58:26.370 --> 00:58:30.710 There's lots of options. And of course, we want to take a moment and say thank you very much. 00:58:31.610 --> 00:58:35.150 Let's just pump the brakes and say thank you to our members who also said it 00:58:35.150 --> 00:58:38.370 and forget it with either the party membership or their core contribution. 00:58:38.830 --> 00:58:39.910 We couldn't do it without you 00:58:39.910 --> 00:58:43.150 either. So thank you everybody who supports this show. We do it for you. 00:58:45.431 --> 00:58:49.891 Okay, two picks. And I put this first one here for you, really. 00:58:49.951 --> 00:58:52.171 I just felt like this is something you and I could geek out on. 00:58:52.351 --> 00:58:55.651 But every now and then we get into this stuff, and somebody else in the audience loves it too. 00:58:55.851 --> 00:58:58.571 And so this week we're highlighting Millisecond. 00:58:59.271 --> 00:59:06.011 It's an app that lets you sort of audit and optimize your Linux system for excellent, 00:59:06.271 --> 00:59:09.311 low-latency, beautiful audio. 00:59:09.951 --> 00:59:12.771 And that's why it's called Millisecond, because it does just that. 00:59:12.971 --> 00:59:16.971 Yeah, I like the name. That's clever. and it just does one thing really well. 00:59:17.091 --> 00:59:22.051 So you get a clean little GTK application with some different groups like user, 00:59:22.191 --> 00:59:26.651 CPU, kernel, and then some nice little icons and displays where it'll tell you 00:59:26.651 --> 00:59:28.911 just sort of default, like how do your real-time priorities look? 00:59:28.971 --> 00:59:30.971 What about group limits, CPU frequency scaling? 00:59:31.211 --> 00:59:35.751 Gives you like a warning or this is bad or you're looking good with a green check mark. 00:59:36.271 --> 00:59:40.111 And there's a link with explainers over at the Linux audio wiki where a lot 00:59:40.111 --> 00:59:44.271 of these tips are accumulated and you can just kind of drop things down to get 00:59:44.271 --> 00:59:46.831 like more of a inline help tip as well. 00:59:47.591 --> 00:59:52.151 This kind of is in the broader context of a collection of tools now that makes 00:59:52.151 --> 00:59:55.011 audio production on Linux absolutely just top notch. 00:59:55.231 --> 00:59:56.551 And it's GPO 3. 00:59:56.751 --> 00:59:58.371 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. 00:59:58.451 --> 01:00:00.831 And I made a little flake for it too if you want to run it on next. 01:00:01.011 --> 01:00:01.791 I saw that. 01:00:03.405 --> 01:00:06.325 Okay, how about this next one? I never even thought about this, 01:00:06.365 --> 01:00:09.545 but would you like a lock screen for your just standard old TTY? 01:00:10.045 --> 01:00:14.205 Then I would like to introduce you to Lemurs. It's a customizable TUI, 01:00:14.325 --> 01:00:20.065 and it's kind of a login manager written in Rust, sent in by Lupfan, 01:00:20.245 --> 01:00:21.485 who we read his email earlier. 01:00:22.225 --> 01:00:25.905 It's got both Apache and MIT mixed in there. It creates a small, 01:00:26.005 --> 01:00:29.545 robust, yet customizable login manager, which can be served as a front end to 01:00:29.545 --> 01:00:34.445 your TTY, X11, or Wayland sessions, as also the backend support for PAM. 01:00:34.625 --> 01:00:36.725 So it just plugs into your existing authentication infrastructure. 01:00:37.165 --> 01:00:41.945 And the UI is a very simple login and password lock screen. 01:00:42.845 --> 01:00:46.785 And I've never thought about locking my TTY before until now. 01:00:46.885 --> 01:00:48.685 And I can't believe I've never thought about it. 01:00:48.985 --> 01:00:50.105 You're going to keep them all locked now. 01:00:50.425 --> 01:00:52.885 Yeah, dude, I'm going to log all of them in and then I'm going to lock them. 01:00:53.125 --> 01:00:54.105 That's what I'm going to do. 01:00:54.585 --> 01:00:59.885 Because I like it that way. I don't know. I just, or maybe you're SSH'd in and 01:00:59.885 --> 01:01:02.465 you got to leave it up on a machine that you can't lock the screen of or something. 01:01:02.605 --> 01:01:04.645 Like, there's times where you want to lock this stuff. 01:01:04.765 --> 01:01:07.805 It does have a very classic 2-y look to it. You know, it kind of looks like 01:01:07.805 --> 01:01:09.505 an older DOS machine almost vibe. 01:01:09.805 --> 01:01:13.085 Yeah, and if maybe you were ricin' towards that vibe for your Wayland desktop, 01:01:13.085 --> 01:01:15.925 you could just use this as your lock manager for Wayland, too. 01:01:16.305 --> 01:01:20.945 It doesn't have to be for your TTY, but that's what drew me to it. What a great idea. 01:01:21.365 --> 01:01:25.285 And how did I never think of that before? I'm embarrassed. It never even crossed my mind. 01:01:25.785 --> 01:01:28.005 I, you know, I just log in this route. 01:01:28.185 --> 01:01:30.985 Yeah, well, it seems to be a dual license, It's Apache 2 and MIT. 01:01:31.645 --> 01:01:35.845 I don't really log in as root. Don't do that. I mean, I pseudo a lot. 01:01:36.485 --> 01:01:40.405 And maybe I pseudo without a password. I might do that. But I don't run as root 01:01:40.405 --> 01:01:42.565 all the time. You know what I mean? I don't do that. 01:01:43.045 --> 01:01:44.345 Yeah, but you're always in the Docker group. 01:01:45.125 --> 01:01:48.525 Definitely, definitely in the Docker, in the wheel group, in the video group. 01:01:49.085 --> 01:01:51.705 You know what? Sometimes I'm in the floppy group. 01:01:53.701 --> 01:01:57.241 I love the floppy group. All right, so I have a few things to let you know before we get out of here. 01:01:57.661 --> 01:02:02.121 This show is live. We do it on a Tuesday, which is actually a Sunday. 01:02:03.241 --> 01:02:06.981 And it starts at 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern, over at jblive.tv. 01:02:11.061 --> 01:02:14.021 Wes Payne, we have a few pro tips for them as well. You know, 01:02:14.121 --> 01:02:17.401 I mentioned it earlier, but I think it's worth iterating because we work hard 01:02:17.401 --> 01:02:18.301 to make these things nice. 01:02:18.621 --> 01:02:23.161 Yeah, that's right. If MPEG layer 3 is not enough and you want more metadata, 01:02:23.841 --> 01:02:27.481 We've got a JSON file in the cloud with chapter information. 01:02:27.921 --> 01:02:31.781 Yeah, skip right to your favorite stuff. Skip the boring parts if you want to. 01:02:32.221 --> 01:02:36.261 One would think, too, that it would be a pretty easy way to sort of parse through 01:02:36.261 --> 01:02:39.521 the topics of the show. There's some data you could work with there. 01:02:39.601 --> 01:02:41.141 Yeah, indeed. Those are the major moments. 01:02:41.401 --> 01:02:42.921 And speaking of data you can work with. 01:02:42.961 --> 01:02:47.701 That's right. Yeah, if you want way more data, how about VTT and SRT files for 01:02:47.701 --> 01:02:50.241 you? Also in the feed for transcripts. 01:02:50.801 --> 01:02:55.061 more and more of the players out there can use and display and even play and 01:02:55.061 --> 01:02:57.041 show the transcripts as you move throughout the episode. 01:02:57.161 --> 01:02:58.321 With speaker names. 01:02:58.501 --> 01:03:01.121 Yeah, and since they're in the feed, you can download them, process them, 01:03:01.281 --> 01:03:02.601 throw them at an LLM, whatever you want. 01:03:02.721 --> 01:03:07.281 And we go extra far and above. We process each host track individually so that 01:03:07.281 --> 01:03:10.861 way it has the best chance of recognizing the speech correctly and identifying it. 01:03:10.921 --> 01:03:13.301 So we really put some effort into those transcripts. Check them out. 01:03:13.661 --> 01:03:18.101 Links to what we talked about this week, those are over at linuxunplugged.com slash 638. 01:03:18.541 --> 01:03:21.901 Thank you so much for joining us on this week's episode of Your Unplugged Program. 01:03:22.101 --> 01:03:25.841 We'll see you right back here next Tuesday, as in Sunday!