WEBVTT 00:00:11.348 --> 00:00:16.191 Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris. 00:00:16.191 --> 00:00:17.021 My name is Wes. 00:00:17.021 --> 00:00:18.064 And my name is Brent. 00:00:18.499 --> 00:00:21.341 Well, hello, gentlemen. Coming up on the show today, we're going to cover eight 00:00:21.341 --> 00:00:24.461 details about the Steam Machine that we think most people have probably missed, 00:00:24.461 --> 00:00:28.304 and there's a few things that point at Valve's future Linux plans. 00:00:28.565 --> 00:00:31.857 Then we'll round out the show with some great boosts and picks and a lot more. 00:00:32.205 --> 00:00:35.621 So before we get to all of that, I want to take a moment and say good morning 00:00:35.621 --> 00:00:38.219 to our virtual lug. Hello, mumble room. 00:00:41.174 --> 00:00:42.603 Well, hello, gang. 00:00:42.800 --> 00:00:46.254 Let me ask you something, dear listener. 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So just a couple of days. 00:02:26.387 --> 00:02:27.287 Yeah, end of the month. 00:02:27.287 --> 00:02:31.417 They decided to close on Canada Day for anyone who cares. 00:02:31.417 --> 00:02:32.537 Out of respect, no doubt. 00:02:32.537 --> 00:02:34.137 Mm-hmm. 00:02:34.137 --> 00:02:38.437 And I think out of the spirit of competition, Seagull, the local Linux Seattle 00:02:38.437 --> 00:02:44.039 conference going on this fall, its submissions also closed but one day earlier, June 30th. 00:02:44.898 --> 00:02:46.263 because they're American. 00:02:46.385 --> 00:02:50.707 I'm hoping to make it to both these. So we haven't really figured out how to 00:02:50.707 --> 00:02:53.927 make it all the way to Texas yet, but I'm hoping we can make it. 00:02:53.927 --> 00:02:54.717 It's always a really good event. 00:02:54.717 --> 00:02:56.233 Usually it involves a race, I think. 00:02:57.023 --> 00:02:57.717 Oh, that could be fun. 00:02:58.017 --> 00:03:01.747 Both great conferences, and we'll be all the better if other folks still want 00:03:01.747 --> 00:03:02.757 to submit their own talks. 00:03:02.757 --> 00:03:06.044 Got to get that van working. But if you get that van working, it could be a good race. 00:03:06.172 --> 00:03:07.077 There's always tomorrow. 00:03:07.942 --> 00:03:10.727 I suppose there could be, maybe it'd be a great race if the van isn't working. 00:03:10.727 --> 00:03:12.911 You know what I'm saying? We'd win for sure. 00:03:13.108 --> 00:03:14.426 Yeah but then we don't have brent there. 00:03:14.734 --> 00:03:20.040 Yeah and and really i don't i don't know uh i don't know what would be faster, 00:03:20.497 --> 00:03:23.407 an old van or an ev i'm not really sure let's find it, 00:03:25.282 --> 00:03:34.314 all right so uh texas linux fest that is july 1st and seagull which is uh june 30th coming up soon. 00:03:40.531 --> 00:03:43.196 All right, gentlemen, everybody knows about the Steam Machine. 00:03:43.196 --> 00:03:46.316 A lot of the details, they've been out for a while now. 00:03:47.056 --> 00:03:49.483 I don't think there's much we could add that people don't already know. 00:03:50.562 --> 00:03:54.266 But I think we would just cover the highlights for those that just want to refresh. 00:03:54.266 --> 00:03:58.415 We now have the prices for the Steam Machine. The pre-orders are going out on June 1st. 00:03:58.572 --> 00:04:02.566 I'm sorry, June 31st, I think, is some of the first will ship. I'm not sure. 00:04:03.396 --> 00:04:09.716 But the low price for the Steam Machine for 512 gigs of storage is $1,049 US. 00:04:10.803 --> 00:04:16.416 If you want to get that same Steam machine with a controller, $1,128. 00:04:17.456 --> 00:04:22.046 Now, I'll be real with you. 512 gigabytes is probably not enough for even a 00:04:22.046 --> 00:04:23.284 medium-sized Steam library. 00:04:23.934 --> 00:04:26.636 So if you want to get the 2-terabyte model, which is the next storage option 00:04:26.636 --> 00:04:36.275 up, $1,349. If you want to get the 2-terabyte edition with a controller, $1,428. 00:04:36.734 --> 00:04:39.516 Okay, so everybody knows about the prices, but I just think it's worth putting 00:04:39.516 --> 00:04:42.185 them out there. The Steam controller by itself is $99. 00:04:42.974 --> 00:04:46.846 So if you bundle it with a Steam machine, it effectively makes the controller 00:04:46.846 --> 00:04:49.191 $79. So you get $20 off the controller. 00:04:51.437 --> 00:04:54.026 You also get a couple of different face places. I think you get an extra magnetic 00:04:54.026 --> 00:04:57.671 face place with the two terabyte version. Either way, you get an Ethernet port. 00:04:58.316 --> 00:05:01.485 You get 2x2 Wi-Fi, 6E, and Bluetooth. 00:05:02.333 --> 00:05:06.570 And we'll get into some other details here. So that's the base thing that I think everybody knows. 00:05:08.016 --> 00:05:10.030 And it is a little expensive. Do we want to just... 00:05:11.436 --> 00:05:15.982 At this price, I think we're all priced out at this point. It prices all three of us out at this point. 00:05:16.002 --> 00:05:17.868 Yeah, I guess it's not made for us, eh? 00:05:19.145 --> 00:05:22.268 Well, you know, when I was at Valve with you guys in the spring, 00:05:22.860 --> 00:05:25.902 I had the sense that the machine was sort of ready to go, but they were just 00:05:25.902 --> 00:05:29.727 waiting on supply chain and memory prices, and they were hoping to ride it out a little while. 00:05:30.174 --> 00:05:33.542 And then I think they had the internal discussion, like, these prices aren't getting any better. 00:05:34.162 --> 00:05:38.612 And so we just got to do this thing. my gut was when we were there that they 00:05:38.612 --> 00:05:41.541 wanted around you know a base price of 800. 00:05:41.976 --> 00:05:46.428 The ps5 pro is like 790 right now so yeah. 00:05:47.020 --> 00:05:50.872 Yes in some interviews i guess at least one valve engineers quoted as suggesting 00:05:50.872 --> 00:05:54.003 that as things got crazy post november 2025, 00:05:54.624 --> 00:05:57.762 yeah they had to reconsider shipping days they had to reconsider all the pricing 00:05:57.762 --> 00:06:01.342 stuff um it influenced like what it actually finally shipped with right where 00:06:01.342 --> 00:06:05.502 like they couldn't get a gig ram stick so they had to put 16 gigs in. 00:06:05.502 --> 00:06:06.882 There there's no option and they couldn't. 00:06:06.882 --> 00:06:08.654 Do dual channel yes crazy. 00:06:09.049 --> 00:06:12.782 So the one thing also that influences this is and you and you just mentioned 00:06:12.782 --> 00:06:18.942 it is the playstation is in this space and it's a little bit cheaper and in 00:06:18.942 --> 00:06:20.543 some scenarios has better graphics, 00:06:21.309 --> 00:06:26.812 and what's challenging about that is valve has a very strong no subsidizing policy 00:06:27.219 --> 00:06:31.002 valve believes that if they subsidize the price of the steam deck or the steam 00:06:31.002 --> 00:06:36.582 machine that it effectively prices out anyone else from ever building something in that ecosystem. 00:06:37.023 --> 00:06:41.582 And we are seeing multiple builders create steam machine competitors now and 00:06:41.582 --> 00:06:42.538 steam deck competitors. 00:06:43.090 --> 00:06:45.222 So it would seem that Valve's calculus is right. 00:06:45.822 --> 00:06:49.862 If they were to, say, subsidize even by $200, no other manufacturer could do 00:06:49.862 --> 00:06:53.102 that. And the logic would be, well, Valve makes it up on the sales. 00:06:53.102 --> 00:06:53.242 Mm-hmm. 00:06:54.396 --> 00:06:56.625 But Valve doesn't necessarily make a ton of money on the sales. 00:06:57.281 --> 00:07:02.540 And the reality is that Sony is subsidizing the price of the PlayStation. 00:07:02.836 --> 00:07:07.242 Sony is taking a hit on the initial cost because they sell the games at like $80 a pop. 00:07:07.561 --> 00:07:11.471 And they're all licensed through Sony. So every game that plays on the PlayStation, 00:07:11.471 --> 00:07:14.631 Sony gets a licensing cut. So they do make it up on the back end. 00:07:14.631 --> 00:07:16.661 It's just like a totally different ecosystem in that sense. 00:07:16.661 --> 00:07:20.271 Right. It's a totally different market pricing incentive system. 00:07:20.271 --> 00:07:23.809 Yet they're competing kind of in the same hardware customer space. 00:07:24.343 --> 00:07:27.356 And so you look at the PS5 and you go, well, look, PS5 is cheaper. 00:07:28.006 --> 00:07:31.721 But that's because Sony can subsidize the price. And I think what's also not 00:07:31.721 --> 00:07:35.361 really fully considered with the Steam machine is you have access to, 00:07:35.721 --> 00:07:41.143 in theory for a lot of us, not everybody, but a lot of us, pretty extensive Steam library. 00:07:41.526 --> 00:07:44.311 I mean, how many times has a Steam sale come up over the years and I've been 00:07:44.311 --> 00:07:47.684 like, well, I might buy it just in case because it's $2.99. 00:07:48.276 --> 00:07:51.568 I mean, there might be 60% of my Steam library I've never played. I don't know. 00:07:52.305 --> 00:07:55.361 and then there's a lot more that i would like to play and so you get access 00:07:55.361 --> 00:07:59.579 to all of that on the steam machine and all future purchases as well so i think 00:07:59.805 --> 00:08:03.265 you know that's hard to factor in because it means maybe over the long term 00:08:03.567 --> 00:08:06.951 when you're actually buying games you're probably going to make that money up, 00:08:07.978 --> 00:08:12.593 in the in the ps5 versus the steam machine but nobody purchases thinking that. 00:08:13.081 --> 00:08:16.091 Yeah and like if are you coming into this because there's certain a few triple 00:08:16.091 --> 00:08:19.611 a titles that you really want to play at the best experience per the money you 00:08:19.611 --> 00:08:22.357 spend on hardware okay that's going to be a very different decision than like 00:08:22.677 --> 00:08:26.131 i'm trying to buy some sort of thing i can play games on in my living room for 00:08:26.131 --> 00:08:29.079 the next five years that will have access to the games i want to play. 00:08:29.236 --> 00:08:32.821 There's another interesting aspect here where this same machine can be used 00:08:32.821 --> 00:08:38.621 as a pc gaming platform or a console which is kind of impressive like the ps5 00:08:38.621 --> 00:08:42.564 is kind of meant as only a console you wouldn't connect it to your, 00:08:43.069 --> 00:08:46.411 you know monitor and at your desk or the keyboard right so the. 00:08:46.411 --> 00:08:48.561 Fact that it You could, in theory, just use it as a desktop. 00:08:48.561 --> 00:08:52.081 Yeah, is, I don't know, compelling, I think. 00:08:52.081 --> 00:08:53.430 I think it also adds a bit to the value. 00:08:55.437 --> 00:08:57.469 Certainly, I would think for our audience. 00:08:57.644 --> 00:09:01.701 I mean, just play this line of thinking out a little bit. 00:09:03.234 --> 00:09:07.217 This is the most Mac thing we have in our space. 00:09:07.677 --> 00:09:08.247 For sure. 00:09:08.247 --> 00:09:12.977 Because how many years has Valve been working upstream to get things in the 00:09:12.977 --> 00:09:16.657 kernel, to get Proton working, to get Fex working, etc. 00:09:17.197 --> 00:09:22.157 The controllers, all of this, video graphics drivers, it's just all this work 00:09:22.157 --> 00:09:23.717 they've been doing for a decade. 00:09:23.717 --> 00:09:25.124 Up and down the stack. 00:09:25.542 --> 00:09:27.156 To the benefit of all of us, really. 00:09:27.348 --> 00:09:32.457 And then they custom build with an AMD chip that's, it's kind of like what you 00:09:32.457 --> 00:09:35.317 can get off the shelf, but it's also kind of unique to them with their own firmware. 00:09:35.317 --> 00:09:37.557 So they're kind of involved at the chip level. 00:09:37.917 --> 00:09:40.767 They're custom building everything in the whole stack. Then they're building 00:09:40.767 --> 00:09:44.512 the OS on top of that. And the user experience then is on top of that. 00:09:45.516 --> 00:09:48.667 So it's like, it's beyond, I mean, System76 does a very integrated package. 00:09:48.697 --> 00:09:50.847 And I think it's, they're hitting the right space for that demographic. 00:09:50.847 --> 00:09:54.746 But this is almost full Apple level. to both the pros and the cons of that. 00:09:55.721 --> 00:10:01.357 I assume you noticed to that in some of the reviews the quote the quietest non-handheld gaming pc 00:10:01.697 --> 00:10:05.439 i've ever used barely humming out a dull whir even under heavy sustained load 00:10:05.648 --> 00:10:09.807 zero coil whine or case rattle you could tell like it's just it's a different 00:10:09.807 --> 00:10:11.168 kind of product where they really 00:10:11.528 --> 00:10:13.587 that whole experience has been shipped together well. 00:10:13.587 --> 00:10:17.597 And who says that by steam os4 or 5 the desktop mode doesn't get more and more 00:10:17.597 --> 00:10:21.066 refinement and you could buy the steam machine and just run it in desktop mode 00:10:21.437 --> 00:10:24.804 you have an immutable arch distribution maintained by valve, 00:10:26.315 --> 00:10:30.633 That's a pretty big deal. And it's on a hardware that they support and designed. 00:10:30.633 --> 00:10:35.748 I mean, if you're looking for that Mac-like experience, it's probably as close as it gets. 00:10:35.928 --> 00:10:37.257 It's plug and play, really, right? 00:10:38.284 --> 00:10:40.983 Well, in theory. I mean, I don't think the desktop mode is fantastic, 00:10:40.983 --> 00:10:42.184 but I think they could get it there. 00:10:42.550 --> 00:10:46.364 All right. So let's cover sort of the eight details that aren't getting very much attention. 00:10:46.921 --> 00:10:49.743 Starting with one that, you know, I don't think is, I think some people probably 00:10:49.743 --> 00:10:52.163 heard about this, but it's probably worth us mentioning. 00:10:52.575 --> 00:10:55.629 So the first thing on our list, the 4K thing. 00:10:57.144 --> 00:10:57.963 is that what we're calling it. 00:10:57.963 --> 00:10:58.703 The 4k thing. 00:10:59.363 --> 00:11:04.823 The marketing kind of says it's a 4k gaming machine that supports 60 fps. 00:11:05.383 --> 00:11:06.773 Yeah i guess they've pulled some of that. 00:11:06.773 --> 00:11:07.303 Now so they've. 00:11:07.303 --> 00:11:09.213 Changed the language on the store page yeah. 00:11:09.213 --> 00:11:13.643 So this is important to understand that it's really certified as a 1080p machine 00:11:13.643 --> 00:11:18.622 that can upscale to 4k that in fact if you look at valve's developer facing 00:11:18.790 --> 00:11:23.754 documentation they tell the developers to target 30 frames per second 1080p. 00:11:24.096 --> 00:11:30.043 Yeah okay so it used to say 4k gaming at 60 fps now it says up to 4k gaming with fsr 4.1. 00:11:30.043 --> 00:11:31.306 Okay all right that's fair, 00:11:32.257 --> 00:11:38.036 Um, so also the, they gave a GDC hardware talk and, uh, in there, 00:11:38.036 --> 00:11:41.096 the valve representative said that you could expect the steam machine performance 00:11:41.096 --> 00:11:43.952 to be roughly six X the steam deck. 00:11:44.503 --> 00:11:46.065 And that number seems to be holding up better. 00:11:46.605 --> 00:11:50.386 Yeah. And that's a decent improvement. I, as a steam deck owner was wondering, 00:11:50.386 --> 00:11:53.606 would I see a bump? Six X is probably going to be noticeable. 00:11:53.849 --> 00:11:56.416 So, and of course it will vary depending on the game and exactly, 00:11:56.416 --> 00:11:58.196 you know, there are some distinctions and all that, but yeah. 00:11:58.196 --> 00:12:00.686 Right. That feels like you would actually, it would feel like an upgrade. 00:12:00.686 --> 00:12:04.780 Okay. Okay, number two, what verified means with the machine. 00:12:05.012 --> 00:12:10.256 So Valve's Steamworks docs say any game that is verified on deck is guaranteed 00:12:10.256 --> 00:12:12.234 to now be verified on Steam Machine. 00:12:12.675 --> 00:12:15.589 So the same controller, the same launcher, text input, proton, 00:12:16.566 --> 00:12:17.679 all of that kind of stuff. 00:12:18.271 --> 00:12:23.002 The Steam Machine, however, skips the deck-specific display legibility checks because... 00:12:23.594 --> 00:12:25.716 It's a bigger screen. They're kind of not worried about it as much. 00:12:25.716 --> 00:12:28.026 They don't control what it comes with. It is interesting, though, 00:12:28.026 --> 00:12:30.519 because Valve put a lot of work into display verification. 00:12:31.526 --> 00:12:35.576 But I like that. That's good. Now, it seems like Valve is also trying to add 00:12:35.576 --> 00:12:38.236 additional compatibility, hardware compatibility stuff in here, 00:12:38.236 --> 00:12:41.182 which I think is going to be bigger in the future. We'll get more into this. 00:12:41.850 --> 00:12:45.946 But if something is currently certified for the Steam Deck, you can essentially 00:12:45.946 --> 00:12:48.531 be assured that it will work on the Steam machine. So that's, 00:12:49.199 --> 00:12:51.788 I think, a decent little thing to understand, a little quirk there. 00:12:52.049 --> 00:12:55.266 I think that might actually, that's an impressive deal. Like, 00:12:55.266 --> 00:12:57.826 it seems like a small thing, but that's impressive. 00:12:58.566 --> 00:13:01.716 They were targeting one piece of hardware, and then they came out with a totally 00:13:01.716 --> 00:13:04.456 different piece of hardware, and they're guaranteeing that every single thing 00:13:04.456 --> 00:13:06.036 will work? That's kind of amazing. 00:13:06.046 --> 00:13:11.525 Well, now imagine the VR headset, the frame, which is an ARM platform, 00:13:11.943 --> 00:13:13.963 but is also going to be a Steam Machine. 00:13:14.183 --> 00:13:15.726 We will see when that happens. 00:13:16.206 --> 00:13:22.049 Yeah, it may mean that being Steam Machine certified goes beyond just x86 in the future. 00:13:22.734 --> 00:13:25.149 But before we get there, let's talk about number three. 00:13:27.251 --> 00:13:32.354 SteamOS 3.8 seems to be perhaps the real launch that we're all going to care about. 00:13:32.911 --> 00:13:36.726 Valve is now telling people that they can build their own Steam machine and 00:13:36.726 --> 00:13:40.869 that they're working on broader desktop compatibility and that they will be able to deploy SteamOS. 00:13:41.304 --> 00:13:45.416 Current reporting says SteamOS 3.8.10 improves compatibility with Intel and 00:13:45.416 --> 00:13:49.297 AMD platforms, improves video memory management on discrete GPU systems. 00:13:49.739 --> 00:13:54.076 And Valve is currently working with NVIDIA, although it's not currently scheduled 00:13:54.076 --> 00:13:56.416 to land any time soon. but NVIDIA support is going to be in there too, 00:13:56.416 --> 00:14:00.016 which why would they do that since none of the Valve hardware has an NVIDIA driver? 00:14:00.016 --> 00:14:00.896 I wonder. 00:14:01.236 --> 00:14:05.966 Yeah, yeah. They fixed a compatibility issue with SteamOS chain loader that 00:14:05.966 --> 00:14:10.306 could cause a boot failure on some desktop systems with recent UEFI firmware. 00:14:10.306 --> 00:14:10.746 Nice. 00:14:10.746 --> 00:14:15.385 Again, doesn't affect their hardware. Fixed Bluetooth not working on some Intel handhelds. 00:14:16.018 --> 00:14:16.685 What's that about? 00:14:16.825 --> 00:14:19.158 Added firmware for upcoming Intel handhelds. 00:14:19.437 --> 00:14:20.499 Not their machines. 00:14:21.022 --> 00:14:23.276 Desktop mode now uses Wayland by default. 00:14:23.276 --> 00:14:23.971 Yes, it should. 00:14:24.482 --> 00:14:28.023 And they've added initial support for running SteamOS as a virtual machine guest. 00:14:29.516 --> 00:14:32.786 I guess there's also like a new Rust demon under the hood that's sort of mediating 00:14:32.786 --> 00:14:35.823 things between Steam and SteamOS, which is interesting. 00:14:36.137 --> 00:14:42.249 So we don't have like just a standalone ISO, but we do have an image that's meant for the deck. 00:14:42.476 --> 00:14:46.696 And the downsides to this SteamOS image right now is it just overwrites anything 00:14:46.696 --> 00:14:48.478 that's on your first NVMe disk. 00:14:48.896 --> 00:14:51.909 It just targets the main NVMe disk and blows it away. 00:14:52.756 --> 00:14:55.729 But it's SteamOS. And you can load it on more and more devices now. 00:14:56.088 --> 00:14:59.176 So the next step is really like some kind of installer or some kind of ISO. 00:14:59.176 --> 00:15:00.721 I don't know exactly what Valve's going to do here. 00:15:01.307 --> 00:15:04.296 I'd like to speculate about that for a moment, though. Because so if you're 00:15:04.296 --> 00:15:09.428 Valve and it's, say, 2027 and they ship SteamOS 4 or whatever, 00:15:09.858 --> 00:15:11.402 because you could technically make it with 3.8. 00:15:11.628 --> 00:15:15.204 So maybe SteamOS 4 comes with an installer. 00:15:15.820 --> 00:15:19.606 How would Valve do this? Would they maybe use like the Climera installer, 00:15:19.606 --> 00:15:21.567 like some of the Arch derivatives? Yeah, I wonder. 00:15:21.816 --> 00:15:24.066 Could see that. There are a few options now. 00:15:24.066 --> 00:15:27.206 Would they create like some sort of Steam big picture environment that walks 00:15:27.206 --> 00:15:28.219 you through an installer? 00:15:29.833 --> 00:15:32.019 Or do they just skip the installer altogether somehow? 00:15:34.167 --> 00:15:36.451 And they just assume you're going to blast it on a disk and they just... 00:15:36.481 --> 00:15:40.251 Could be. I mean, they do seem to be making a few different moves here aimed 00:15:40.251 --> 00:15:43.031 at simplicity. And it did sound like from some interviews that the installer 00:15:43.031 --> 00:15:45.671 wasn't really something they were super focused on right now. 00:15:45.671 --> 00:15:50.581 Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like with the cost of these Steam machines and the cost 00:15:50.581 --> 00:15:52.161 of hardware in general, people are going to... 00:15:52.461 --> 00:15:56.161 If you want to build out this ecosystem, I do think if you made it sort of as 00:15:56.161 --> 00:16:00.271 easy as Bazite to install, You might get folks using this and deploying it on 00:16:00.271 --> 00:16:03.451 their own home hardware that they can't afford, and then you're still building 00:16:03.451 --> 00:16:07.261 out the SteamOS ecosystem while you're waiting for the hardware component prices to come down. 00:16:08.091 --> 00:16:10.361 But that only works if you make it more accessible. Otherwise, 00:16:10.361 --> 00:16:12.410 people will just load Bazite, and maybe they don't care. 00:16:13.838 --> 00:16:17.821 I mean, maybe it doesn't matter if it is sort of meant for an appliance where 00:16:17.821 --> 00:16:21.391 you aren't trying to dual boot or do anything fancy and things just get wiped 00:16:21.391 --> 00:16:22.406 with something simple works. 00:16:22.697 --> 00:16:29.861 I think what I... the Linux user in me that still wants to see mass desktop 00:16:29.861 --> 00:16:33.081 adoption, which I've mostly, don't really care about anymore, 00:16:33.081 --> 00:16:35.021 but there's still that part of me that still wants to see it. 00:16:35.221 --> 00:16:35.646 Of course, of course, yeah. 00:16:36.198 --> 00:16:42.061 I think like your, your Linus Tech Tip viewers would switch in mass to a Valve 00:16:42.061 --> 00:16:43.826 Linux district. Yes. If they could install it. 00:16:44.064 --> 00:16:46.867 Yes. Because there's trust there built already, right? 00:16:47.146 --> 00:16:50.600 Yes. They love the brand. They want to use Linux for gaming. 00:16:50.873 --> 00:16:53.421 Now here's the Linux gaming platform. Because right now they're getting really 00:16:53.421 --> 00:16:58.274 drawn to PopOS and Bazite and CacheOS, and they're kind of split across those right now. 00:16:58.860 --> 00:17:02.241 And if Valve came along with SteamOS that you could install on your existing 00:17:02.241 --> 00:17:05.234 box as easy as Bazite or CacheOS or PopOS... 00:17:07.185 --> 00:17:12.314 I just think it would be huge for Linux adoption. And I think you'd see a large 00:17:12.314 --> 00:17:16.693 use case for the desktop, not just for big picture mode. I think you'd see a large use. 00:17:16.908 --> 00:17:19.567 People would come up with Waze and they would permanently run it in desktop mode. 00:17:20.258 --> 00:17:22.324 I really think it'd be big. Now, maybe Valve doesn't want that. 00:17:24.954 --> 00:17:28.854 But I just feel like if they just take that extra step, that extra step, 00:17:28.854 --> 00:17:29.414 it would be such an under. 00:17:29.474 --> 00:17:34.850 I wonder if maybe they would like to see that too or are neutral on it but worry about sort of. 00:17:35.077 --> 00:17:35.843 The support overhead? 00:17:36.034 --> 00:17:39.664 Support overhead and or the image like you don't if there are quirks on other 00:17:39.664 --> 00:17:43.004 systems and that gives Steam OS, you know, you get mixed reviews of Steam OS. 00:17:43.004 --> 00:17:43.691 That kind of thing. 00:17:44.550 --> 00:17:47.544 I'm not saying that I would agree or whatever, but you could imagine those sorts 00:17:47.544 --> 00:17:48.701 of arguments or discussions. 00:17:50.849 --> 00:17:55.246 And maybe it's a, that's sort of just a, you know, they're open to more installer 00:17:55.246 --> 00:17:58.216 or other things, but sort of not the focus right now as they're just getting 00:17:58.216 --> 00:18:00.659 the things shipped and sort of established. 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:05.744 Yeah. Yeah, I could, you know, because as you widen that aperture of hardware, 00:18:05.884 --> 00:18:08.076 you're going to have more and more random things that don't work with Proton. 00:18:08.076 --> 00:18:09.096 I mean, just go look at ProtonDB. 00:18:09.456 --> 00:18:11.636 Right. Yeah, that is a good point. 00:18:11.636 --> 00:18:14.056 But at the same time, they have this verified system, right? 00:18:14.056 --> 00:18:19.758 So they could just target, kind of like Macs, target a few systems that they really get right. 00:18:19.903 --> 00:18:22.341 and then if you're going to run something else, it's kind of on you. 00:18:24.402 --> 00:18:27.096 And they don't make a lot of margins on this hardware. The rumor is that they're 00:18:27.096 --> 00:18:31.666 almost selling at cost. There's maybe 80, 90 bucks, maybe on the highest end 00:18:31.666 --> 00:18:34.170 configuration, maybe $200 of margin in there. 00:18:34.867 --> 00:18:39.436 You could maybe see too, I think to Brent's point, they're already offering, 00:18:40.256 --> 00:18:42.425 more stuff for some of the other handheld things. 00:18:43.499 --> 00:18:46.216 So you could also imagine some community reports or maybe there's a role for 00:18:46.216 --> 00:18:48.986 the community to play, whether that's repackaging some sort of installer or 00:18:48.986 --> 00:18:50.846 just smoothing things out and giving like targets. 00:18:50.846 --> 00:18:51.456 Totally. 00:18:51.456 --> 00:18:54.646 Like some people are saying the framework desktop works perfectly. 00:18:54.646 --> 00:18:58.066 I mean, he's forum V3 ran just fine. Testing thinkpads out. 00:18:58.066 --> 00:19:01.816 Yeah. I saw people are running Steam OS, the image for the Steam Deck on the 00:19:01.816 --> 00:19:05.128 framework desktop online right now. And it seems to be fine. 00:19:06.678 --> 00:19:09.316 You're right. The community probably could step in and build something around 00:19:09.316 --> 00:19:10.696 that image and make it more approachable. 00:19:10.716 --> 00:19:13.226 That doesn't, it's not going to the level that you're saying. 00:19:13.226 --> 00:19:13.996 Yeah, it's not the same thing. 00:19:13.996 --> 00:19:14.898 But maybe it would help. 00:19:15.008 --> 00:19:17.046 Help a few more people at least. It's just, well, it's just, 00:19:17.046 --> 00:19:21.396 it feels especially like the time is, is ripe when this steam machine wasn't 00:19:21.396 --> 00:19:24.876 able to hit the price targets they want and the prices are just such crap out 00:19:24.876 --> 00:19:26.446 there. It just feels like the moment is there. 00:19:26.446 --> 00:19:29.415 How else can you get a piece of this experience, still get something better? 00:19:29.583 --> 00:19:31.753 There you go. All right, number four. 00:19:32.840 --> 00:19:36.228 AMD wasn't just for performance. I don't think any of us are too surprised by this. 00:19:36.228 --> 00:19:42.418 But by digging through the details, we see the Steam Machine uses a semi-custom AMD Zen 4 core, or, 00:19:43.088 --> 00:19:49.998 AMD Zen 4, 6 core, 12-thread GPU and semi-custom RDNA 3 GPU with 28 compute 00:19:49.998 --> 00:19:54.858 units, 8 gigabytes of GDR6, and 110 watts of GPU target power. 00:19:54.858 --> 00:19:59.671 So they estimate when everything's really cranking, like the CPU and the GUPU, 00:19:59.990 --> 00:20:04.728 you're probably looking at around 200 watts of full usage under full load. 00:20:04.728 --> 00:20:05.963 So that's what you could probably plan on. 00:20:06.968 --> 00:20:11.858 But what I think is the real story about them using AMD and both now the deck 00:20:11.858 --> 00:20:15.518 and the machine is this would have been NVIDIA. 00:20:16.331 --> 00:20:19.898 This absolutely would have been NVIDIA. But AMD is the company that made the 00:20:19.898 --> 00:20:24.061 investment in Linux drivers years ago with no idea how it was going to pay off. 00:20:24.264 --> 00:20:27.846 No indication that a Valve Steam machine and Steam Deck would come along. 00:20:28.931 --> 00:20:32.890 And now they are the hardware partner for the last two releases from Valve. 00:20:34.143 --> 00:20:37.122 And it's because they invested seriously in the Linux ecosystem, 00:20:37.122 --> 00:20:39.106 and it's just paying off massively for them now. 00:20:39.902 --> 00:20:42.189 Well, and I think we'll see another indication of this later, 00:20:42.578 --> 00:20:47.052 but that you can tell Valve's feeling really comfortable building on Linux, right? 00:20:47.052 --> 00:20:49.812 So, like, the fact that this is just first party, that it's something that they 00:20:49.812 --> 00:20:52.802 know that they could influence, that can get changed if something does need 00:20:52.802 --> 00:20:55.272 to get fixed. There's a clear process for how that happens. 00:20:56.057 --> 00:20:59.227 Maybe it makes you feel a little better about something that has hardware cycle times. 00:20:59.494 --> 00:21:03.502 So the Verge says that this has caused, essentially, Intel and NVIDIA to come 00:21:03.502 --> 00:21:04.712 knocking on Valve's door. 00:21:05.032 --> 00:21:05.600 Really? 00:21:05.978 --> 00:21:11.951 Yeah. They say, so the MSI Intel-powered claw gaming handheld have been mostly Windows machines. 00:21:12.398 --> 00:21:18.702 But according to the Verge, they are now working with Valve to make a Linux 00:21:18.702 --> 00:21:20.461 SteamOS version that runs on there. 00:21:20.936 --> 00:21:24.382 Using SteamOS optimized for Intel versions, while it's not quite, 00:21:24.382 --> 00:21:27.676 quote, perfect yet, it appears everything works pretty well for the most part. 00:21:28.384 --> 00:21:33.722 another user tried it on his intel arc b580 desktop gupu and got steam os working 00:21:33.722 --> 00:21:35.495 on there well of course it works on the intel arcs, 00:21:36.191 --> 00:21:39.762 but it's interesting that intel has kind of come to valve so we want to run 00:21:39.762 --> 00:21:43.999 steam os instead of windows and they're starting with the steam os 3.8 release, 00:21:44.644 --> 00:21:47.502 valve says they're also working with nvidia and they've been doing a lot of 00:21:47.502 --> 00:21:51.302 hard work getting the graphic stack up and running on the intel and nvidia stacks 00:21:51.302 --> 00:21:53.049 to make sure everything is quote optimized. 00:21:54.693 --> 00:21:57.630 That's an interesting strategy there because, again, their hardware, 00:21:58.318 --> 00:22:03.157 not using these chips, it just sort of feels like a similar strategy they could do with SteamOS. 00:22:03.383 --> 00:22:08.515 And here we are seeing AMD just the default winner as the results of their investments here. 00:22:09.287 --> 00:22:14.098 And I think that's pretty great. Like the Steam hardware is AMD first largely 00:22:14.098 --> 00:22:17.678 just because AMD took a bet. They didn't have any idea which way it was going to go. 00:22:17.978 --> 00:22:20.524 And it's just now we have a nice, clean experience. 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:26.118 And I think, you know, when you add this part, when you add these basic things 00:22:26.118 --> 00:22:30.921 up, right, you've got a verification process for how things work and operate. 00:22:31.362 --> 00:22:35.638 You've got SteamOS that's widening its scope of hardware that's supported both 00:22:35.638 --> 00:22:38.949 including the Steam machine but also third-party hardware. 00:22:39.408 --> 00:22:45.073 And you've got this AMD support at the plumbing level for the graphics. 00:22:45.334 --> 00:22:46.704 That's a pretty good stack right there. 00:22:47.447 --> 00:22:50.930 but there's still four more details that we haven't gotten to yet. 00:22:54.332 --> 00:23:00.004 Webroot.com slash unplugged. 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We've heard a lot of people 00:25:53.420 --> 00:25:57.845 say, well, it's very disappointing, the RAM situation that they were forced into. 00:25:58.049 --> 00:26:00.522 So is that really the whole story, though? 00:26:01.375 --> 00:26:03.340 It seems like, too, in the past you would have been like, well, 00:26:03.340 --> 00:26:08.490 sure, it only comes with 16 gigs of RAM, but I'll just go buy my own stick of RAM. 00:26:08.490 --> 00:26:08.940 Right. 00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:09.734 Throw it in there for cheap. 00:26:10.692 --> 00:26:12.220 That doesn't seem quite as possible these days. 00:26:12.220 --> 00:26:15.294 And you have to feel for Valve, because when they announced the Steam machine, 00:26:15.515 --> 00:26:16.995 the RAM prices haven't gone crazy. 00:26:17.633 --> 00:26:21.970 And in their defense, it is possible to do some upgrades. They talk about what 00:26:21.970 --> 00:26:24.740 SSDs you can put in there, and they're going to partner with iFixit like they 00:26:24.740 --> 00:26:26.701 did with the deck and all that kind of good stuff. 00:26:27.770 --> 00:26:29.458 It's just the rest of the world. 00:26:29.795 --> 00:26:33.660 So ideally on a gaming system, you generally want dual-channel memory, 00:26:33.660 --> 00:26:37.060 especially for CPU-bound tasks. And there's a lot in a game that can be CPU-bound. 00:26:37.060 --> 00:26:38.827 You want dual-channel memory when possible. 00:26:39.530 --> 00:26:41.920 But that's not what happened, is it? They couldn't do dual-channel. 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:45.312 No uh because if you're gonna target 16 gigs total 00:26:45.689 --> 00:26:49.140 which is a reasonable number these days um and you want to get a gig sticks 00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:52.040 you have to be able to buy two eight gig sticks and when they were trying to 00:26:52.040 --> 00:26:56.040 source sufficient quantities uh that just wasn't available can you believe i 00:26:56.040 --> 00:26:59.330 guess at least uh maybe it's pierre uh pierre lou cafe 00:26:59.650 --> 00:27:01.647 or another valve staff member mentioning like 00:27:02.018 --> 00:27:05.180 i guess there's a little more profit in the 16 gigs at the moment in the market 00:27:05.180 --> 00:27:08.404 so they were producing more of those and so that is what they were able to get but, 00:27:08.961 --> 00:27:13.420 again unless you're trying to go to dual with 16 and get 32 you can't get dual 00:27:13.420 --> 00:27:14.962 or the reasonable amount, 00:27:15.670 --> 00:27:17.300 and get both benefits. 00:27:17.300 --> 00:27:23.900 But here's the detail i did verify you can if you get rich or if memory prices 00:27:23.900 --> 00:27:26.590 come down in a year and you feel like giving your steam machine a boost you 00:27:26.590 --> 00:27:29.753 could go out and buy another 16 gig stick on your own, 00:27:30.572 --> 00:27:34.710 and you can install it in this and tests will show that you'll probably see 00:27:34.710 --> 00:27:39.610 about a 9 to 13 performance improvement with the Steam Machine when you go to 00:27:39.610 --> 00:27:42.489 dual channel memory with certain games. That said, 00:27:44.923 --> 00:27:48.713 you do kind of have to disassemble the thing. 00:27:49.242 --> 00:27:51.651 Like you have to take the heat sink off. You got to take the whole thing kind 00:27:51.651 --> 00:27:54.601 of apart to get to where the memory's at. So it's not like a beginner job is 00:27:54.601 --> 00:27:56.771 not impossible, but it's a job. 00:27:57.514 --> 00:28:02.274 But I thought Tom's hardware put this kind of unfortunately accurate. 00:28:02.645 --> 00:28:04.971 They said, quote, this is especially hard on the Steam machine, 00:28:04.971 --> 00:28:10.341 which uses already kind of aging hardware, a semi-custom AMD Zen 4 CPU and RDNA 00:28:10.341 --> 00:28:13.561 3 graphics with only eight gigabytes of GDDR6 VRAM. 00:28:13.561 --> 00:28:14.179 Right. 00:28:14.724 --> 00:28:22.381 Note, AMD launched the Zen 5 in 2024, and the RDNA 4 GPUs, they dropped in early 2025. 00:28:23.455 --> 00:28:27.971 So it's kind of a little bit of a double whammy because you're kind of working 00:28:27.971 --> 00:28:31.301 with already a little bit older hardware, which is typical in these things, 00:28:31.301 --> 00:28:32.998 especially when there's been a delay due to supply chain. 00:28:33.567 --> 00:28:37.904 And then you're also, you're kind of taking a penalty with the single channel memory. 00:28:38.791 --> 00:28:42.001 I found a quote I really thought was fascinating for the memory part. 00:28:42.001 --> 00:28:46.651 Like to us, Valve is like a huge player in the Linux space, but in the memory 00:28:46.651 --> 00:28:49.473 space, they're like a teeny tiny little guy, right? 00:28:49.810 --> 00:28:50.091 Sure. 00:28:50.091 --> 00:28:55.501 And there's a Valve employee, Yazan Aldehayat, who's an engineer. 00:28:55.501 --> 00:28:59.801 And he gave a quote. He said, well, they just, the memory people just kind of 00:28:59.801 --> 00:29:01.286 give us a price every month. 00:29:01.547 --> 00:29:07.661 And you either can say yes or no to a certain quantity. And if you say no, 00:29:07.661 --> 00:29:10.049 then they never talk to you again. 00:29:10.705 --> 00:29:16.631 so they are in a really tricky spot with the memory the fact they even secured 00:29:16.631 --> 00:29:22.681 some it's like actually kind of impressive um so i mean i think we're all collectively 00:29:22.681 --> 00:29:25.113 a little disappointed including everyone at valve. 00:29:26.244 --> 00:29:29.437 Would it be crazy for a DIY version that comes with no memory? 00:29:30.221 --> 00:29:31.324 Whoa. 00:29:31.881 --> 00:29:35.439 And like you buy it today and then in a few months you find yourself some memory. 00:29:35.439 --> 00:29:38.239 I mean I know it's crazy because everybody likes to have things right away. 00:29:38.239 --> 00:29:40.359 You plan to have something fall off a truck? What's going on over there? 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:44.499 Well, you could eventually – you know what I mean? Like just have patience. 00:29:44.499 --> 00:29:49.519 Like buy it today at a lower price that doesn't have memory and then you source 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:52.609 the memory when you can get it off of eBay or wherever you can scrounge it. 00:29:52.609 --> 00:29:57.179 I mean, you could, you could probably find secondhand memory on your own easier 00:29:57.179 --> 00:29:58.230 than valve can do at scale. 00:29:58.961 --> 00:30:03.698 I'm just thinking like, why not do a framework DIY edition and no memory? 00:30:04.989 --> 00:30:10.219 Because so like the 1049 base price is, it just takes it out of the market for 00:30:10.219 --> 00:30:14.749 so many people. So the estimated $300 price increase, almost not all of it, 00:30:14.749 --> 00:30:17.838 but almost all of it is coming from the memory. 00:30:18.198 --> 00:30:19.005 That's insane. 00:30:21.652 --> 00:30:27.679 So sad. So it is a bit of a double whammy. But you could see maybe upgrading 00:30:27.679 --> 00:30:30.279 this thing to 32 down the road and get a little boost out of it. 00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:33.999 The fact that you can upgrade that RAM is one of the things that makes the thing unique. 00:30:33.999 --> 00:30:35.459 Probably not doing that with your PlayStation. 00:30:35.459 --> 00:30:40.069 Probably not doing that with the PlayStation or the Xbox or your Android-based 00:30:40.069 --> 00:30:42.839 gaming console. All right? Okay, number six. 00:30:43.978 --> 00:30:47.259 That was number five. Number six. The cooling design is interesting. 00:30:47.259 --> 00:30:49.974 So it's like a six by six inch cube. 00:30:50.369 --> 00:30:54.829 And the entire thing is built around a ginormous heat sink that is dominated 00:30:54.829 --> 00:30:56.795 by a single 120 millimeter fan. 00:30:56.969 --> 00:30:59.399 Like you said, Wes, everybody reports is quite quiet. 00:30:59.399 --> 00:31:02.606 Quite quiet. Yeah. And I think that's where this thing, like, 00:31:02.831 --> 00:31:05.279 if you're coming at this with like, I need the latest and greatest. 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:08.549 I'm trying to buy them like a really nice gaming PC that's going to be like 00:31:08.549 --> 00:31:10.369 my be all end all for the next while. 00:31:10.369 --> 00:31:13.219 Maybe this isn't it or at least not at the price point that you were hoping for. 00:31:13.219 --> 00:31:17.089 But if you do want something that can play, you know, pretty much whatever game 00:31:17.089 --> 00:31:18.853 at some quality level that you can throw at it, 00:31:19.230 --> 00:31:23.639 has all your Steam library, looks nice, fits in your living room in an unobjectionable 00:31:23.639 --> 00:31:27.869 way, is quiet, like you get all of that, that would be harder. 00:31:27.869 --> 00:31:29.719 If you want that, that's harder to build yourself. 00:31:29.719 --> 00:31:34.439 Yeah. Yeah. When we saw one, I don't know if you boys put your ear up to it, 00:31:34.439 --> 00:31:36.547 but we did see one and it was on. 00:31:36.767 --> 00:31:38.399 Yeah. You couldn't. 00:31:38.399 --> 00:31:39.039 You couldn't. 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:39.252 No. 00:31:40.401 --> 00:31:43.998 It was very, very impressive. And that's what we're hearing around from people 00:31:43.998 --> 00:31:49.486 who got review units is it's in like unhearable, indistinguishable from an empty room. 00:31:50.269 --> 00:31:53.230 And that is super impressive considering. 00:31:55.028 --> 00:31:59.163 Well, basically the entire thing is a heat sink with a couple of computer parts in it, right? 00:31:59.395 --> 00:32:00.598 Underneath the heat sink, yeah. 00:32:00.598 --> 00:32:06.638 It's hilarious, but actually kind of a smart design. And I saw that the front 00:32:06.638 --> 00:32:10.255 face plate that they have on it that you can change because it just has magnets, which is nice. 00:32:11.448 --> 00:32:15.886 Like, it actually makes a huge difference in the volume of the fan. 00:32:16.205 --> 00:32:22.381 It reduces some of the cooling, but, you know, they're balancing all of these different priorities. 00:32:22.770 --> 00:32:27.228 And if this is on your, you know, beside your TV in your living room. 00:32:27.228 --> 00:32:30.398 You can just pop it right off or something if you want it to run hot. if you want to run cool. 00:32:30.398 --> 00:32:33.788 You got options and i saw some aftermarket like uh people are already making 00:32:33.788 --> 00:32:37.708 3d printed aftermarket things you could slap on there that increase the airflow 00:32:37.708 --> 00:32:40.768 and look nice as well so that'd be great it's it's nice they 00:32:41.088 --> 00:32:44.958 they had to balance all these priorities i think they got it right in one way 00:32:44.958 --> 00:32:47.227 and the pricing is something they didn't really have control over. 00:32:47.802 --> 00:32:51.138 So speaking of that balance it's actually like a pressure balance system so 00:32:51.138 --> 00:32:55.138 if you do take the faceplate off it cools the cpu and gpu more but it actually 00:32:55.138 --> 00:32:58.528 hurts the ssd temperature which i I thought you might enjoy it. 00:32:58.528 --> 00:33:01.978 Yeah, so it's using the pressure created by that faceplate to send some of the 00:33:01.978 --> 00:33:05.668 air down to the NVMe. It's so funny. 00:33:06.408 --> 00:33:08.993 There's clearly some attention to detail in all of this. 00:33:09.470 --> 00:33:13.088 It is one of those things that I would love to play around with when I finally, 00:33:13.088 --> 00:33:15.444 finally get my hands on one in probably two or three years. 00:33:15.994 --> 00:33:21.289 They also described how they really, really custom built the fan that's in this unit. 00:33:21.498 --> 00:33:28.298 because they kind of needed the airflow that they needed and they needed it to be super quiet. 00:33:28.298 --> 00:33:32.708 So they designed the fan from the ground up too with their partner. 00:33:32.708 --> 00:33:36.533 So they did a lot of impressive engineering work on this one too. 00:33:37.648 --> 00:33:44.061 They do so much more physical testing. Again, reflecting on our trip in the spring. 00:33:45.036 --> 00:33:48.602 They, which I think we talked about in a bootleg, they do so much more physical 00:33:48.602 --> 00:33:52.682 testing. They have arrays and rooms and rooms and rooms. 00:33:52.682 --> 00:33:54.116 Yeah, stacks and stacks. 00:33:54.783 --> 00:33:58.662 Of physical testing going on, like things pressing buttons and stress testing 00:33:58.662 --> 00:34:01.492 screens. And I was very surprised by that. 00:34:02.862 --> 00:34:06.322 So they're doing a lot of that kind of stuff. And what are the, 00:34:06.322 --> 00:34:09.120 one of the things they're testing? The controller, and that is item number seven. 00:34:10.206 --> 00:34:13.142 So this is one of the small technical details that when I hear it, 00:34:13.142 --> 00:34:14.641 I'm like, oh, I love this stuff. 00:34:15.192 --> 00:34:19.732 So we all know the Steam machine has a Steam controller and it has an integrated 00:34:19.732 --> 00:34:21.642 2.4 gigahertz wireless system. 00:34:22.675 --> 00:34:27.029 But what I think is really smart is Valve put multiple radios in this thing. 00:34:27.470 --> 00:34:31.742 So you can use the puck and you can use its 2.4 wireless. You can use Wi-Fi. 00:34:31.742 --> 00:34:36.972 And if you use Wi-Fi and you're using the 2.4 signal there, it's on its own dedicated radio. 00:34:37.483 --> 00:34:41.722 So the controller doesn't have any kind of leg or any kind of interruption with your data radio. 00:34:42.242 --> 00:34:44.652 So the data radio can be handled in your game, in your chat, 00:34:44.652 --> 00:34:48.315 in your downloads, and then the dedicated isolated radio for the controller 00:34:48.670 --> 00:34:51.746 is nice and clean, doesn't have any collisions or anything like that. 00:34:51.984 --> 00:34:53.522 It's not competing for anything. 00:34:53.929 --> 00:34:57.172 I just love those little design details, because if you were going to build 00:34:57.172 --> 00:35:01.712 your perfect gaming system on Linux, that's absolutely something you would want 00:35:01.712 --> 00:35:05.672 to build in, but only if you just had all the options. I just love that. 00:35:05.672 --> 00:35:10.199 You can tell that is a system built by gamers, right? They're putting the right priorities first. 00:35:11.442 --> 00:35:12.257 I agree. 00:35:12.257 --> 00:35:14.887 Did you check out the thumbsticks on these things, though? 00:35:15.267 --> 00:35:17.927 I, you know, just when we were there and we played with the one that we got 00:35:17.927 --> 00:35:20.437 to, and it felt really good. 00:35:20.437 --> 00:35:24.364 Yeah. So they're using what's called tunneling magneto resistance. 00:35:24.811 --> 00:35:25.277 Of course. 00:35:25.277 --> 00:35:25.407 Oh, yeah. 00:35:25.787 --> 00:35:25.967 Right, right. 00:35:26.327 --> 00:35:34.427 And so it uses quantum mechanics to, you know, be able to tell how the joysticks work. 00:35:35.407 --> 00:35:37.187 Are you pulling my leg? What do you mean it uses quantum? 00:35:37.587 --> 00:35:42.257 Yeah, so there's a three, there's a nanoscale sandwich where they have what 00:35:42.257 --> 00:35:45.419 they call the free layer, which is the sensing magnet, which rides with the thumbstick. 00:35:45.785 --> 00:35:50.347 And then under that is a magnesium oxide barrier that prevents electrons and 00:35:50.347 --> 00:35:51.439 current from going through it. 00:35:51.711 --> 00:35:55.277 And then underneath that is what they have is a magnetic film that's locked 00:35:55.277 --> 00:35:57.266 in one direction as a reference magnet. 00:35:57.724 --> 00:36:01.047 And then in theory, without quantum mechanics, you wouldn't get any current. 00:36:01.427 --> 00:36:04.877 But because the electrons can tunnel through that tiny barrier, 00:36:04.877 --> 00:36:08.324 you do get a current. And with that, you get a resistance that you can measure, 00:36:08.626 --> 00:36:13.667 but it's a smooth analog continuous change as you move thumb states. 00:36:13.667 --> 00:36:16.697 So you get analog level measurement is what you're saying. 00:36:16.697 --> 00:36:17.165 Wow. 00:36:17.310 --> 00:36:21.127 Using quantum mechanics because of quantum mechanics, those electrons, 00:36:21.127 --> 00:36:23.047 they pass through that barrier and it's measuring that. Yep. 00:36:23.427 --> 00:36:28.287 So the steam controller is like a real world proof of like Einstein's theory 00:36:28.287 --> 00:36:29.697 and quantum mechanics in your hand. 00:36:29.697 --> 00:36:32.937 Yeah, totally. And so like they were using Hall effect. 00:36:32.937 --> 00:36:36.467 there's other things they're doing but this is like 10 to 15 times more sensitive 00:36:36.467 --> 00:36:38.077 and more and it doesn't need amplification 00:36:38.077 --> 00:36:40.455 because the signal is just way stronger out of the box so you get 00:36:40.722 --> 00:36:43.657 that means there's less noise which means you get finer details so you get better 00:36:43.657 --> 00:36:47.777 tracking and the thing that used to make a lot of thumbsticks wear out is before 00:36:47.777 --> 00:36:51.157 you had like a physical touch of capacitance that was changes you drag like 00:36:51.157 --> 00:36:54.264 metal around or whatever this it because it's this it's just, 00:36:54.763 --> 00:36:56.217 there's there's nothing yes so 00:36:56.217 --> 00:37:00.783 it should last longer not degrade as much well tbd on that but so you get. 00:37:00.903 --> 00:37:03.227 Like a quantum controller for 100 bucks. 00:37:04.267 --> 00:37:07.977 That's so impressive that makes the price seem pretty reasonable i mean you 00:37:07.977 --> 00:37:10.122 imagine the r&d in that over time, 00:37:11.023 --> 00:37:15.717 Yeah, so the controller stack is neater than it seems, both on the radio side 00:37:15.717 --> 00:37:16.920 and on that technical side. 00:37:17.356 --> 00:37:21.889 And then there's one other thing that's hard to do when you're building your own machine. 00:37:22.447 --> 00:37:28.089 And the other thing that is hard to do that Valve nailed is our last item, number eight. 00:37:29.343 --> 00:37:32.762 HDMI CEC, I think, is the sleeper feature here. 00:37:32.931 --> 00:37:36.757 So Valve engineers specifically have called out the CEC integration as one of 00:37:36.757 --> 00:37:40.309 the things that makes the machine unique versus buying another PC. 00:37:40.686 --> 00:37:44.557 So for those of you that don't remember, HDMI, CEC, it kind of solves the turn 00:37:44.557 --> 00:37:47.803 the TV on, wake the box up, pick the controller, resume the game problem. 00:37:48.209 --> 00:37:52.143 You pick up a controller with the Steam machine. You pick up the controller, you wake it up. 00:37:53.066 --> 00:37:55.537 Controller wakes up the machine. They're immediately talking. 00:37:55.537 --> 00:37:59.167 They're paired. The machine wakes up the TV, sets the input on the TV. 00:37:59.167 --> 00:37:59.867 That's key too. 00:37:59.967 --> 00:38:00.775 That's so nice. 00:38:01.077 --> 00:38:01.717 And you're good to go. 00:38:01.717 --> 00:38:04.747 So anytime you ever hit a button on like a Roku or whatever and it automatically 00:38:04.747 --> 00:38:06.707 gets to the right spot, that's how they do it. 00:38:06.707 --> 00:38:07.079 Yeah. 00:38:07.231 --> 00:38:09.767 Consumer Electronics Control is what CEC stands for. 00:38:09.767 --> 00:38:14.047 It's a data signal over HDMI, and both ends have to support the protocol and 00:38:14.047 --> 00:38:16.887 actually use it correctly, which has historically never happened on Linux. 00:38:20.576 --> 00:38:25.157 So it's – and like for family – gaming improved family, like your kids or whatever, 00:38:25.157 --> 00:38:27.227 they want to sit down on the couch and they want to play a game, 00:38:27.227 --> 00:38:29.247 and they just want to pick up the controller when you're not home and hit a 00:38:29.247 --> 00:38:30.078 button and start playing. 00:38:30.589 --> 00:38:35.107 This nails that, and it's just so massive. They also have DisplayPort 1.4 that 00:38:35.107 --> 00:38:37.758 handles higher-end display modes if you need that. 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.217 Big win for family approval factor, I think, is HDMI CEC. It's like some of 00:38:42.217 --> 00:38:47.287 my favorite features of the Steam machine is the way they're doing the wireless 00:38:47.287 --> 00:38:48.447 controller communication. 00:38:49.273 --> 00:38:54.007 The way they're doing HDMI CEC, I just think, is absolutely super great. 00:38:54.007 --> 00:38:57.789 And the controller is super nice. And those are some of my favorite features of this thing. 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:02.747 Did you notice one thing I thought with the controller is on Windows and Mac, 00:39:03.287 --> 00:39:06.127 you have to use Steam to take full advantage of it. Yeah. 00:39:06.764 --> 00:39:09.407 because it needs the steam input layer and all that kind of stuff. 00:39:09.407 --> 00:39:11.779 They're basically doing like a user space driver yeah. 00:39:12.128 --> 00:39:15.257 And part of that's because like i mean you can still use it it shows up as like 00:39:15.257 --> 00:39:20.585 a mouse and keyboard basically if you don't do it that way yeah um but essentially you, 00:39:21.195 --> 00:39:23.787 know on those platforms i guess they didn't really want to have to deal with 00:39:23.787 --> 00:39:26.717 maintaining a kernel driver and taking the risk and the you know that goes along 00:39:26.717 --> 00:39:29.787 with that but we still get a kernel driver on linux oh. 00:39:30.887 --> 00:39:31.337 Do we now. 00:39:31.337 --> 00:39:34.097 So you can use it i don't know if you get everything like he's probably still 00:39:34.097 --> 00:39:36.727 ultimately like and they've done more work to make sure that steam can load 00:39:36.727 --> 00:39:39.857 and run whatever other program you want so that it does get injected even to 00:39:39.857 --> 00:39:44.479 a non-steam game and there's even some open source projects out there that are trying to be, 00:39:45.164 --> 00:39:49.927 sort of use like usb over ip libraries to sort of bridge so that you could get 00:39:49.927 --> 00:39:53.147 so it looked more like a traditional controller in a system at the system level. 00:39:53.147 --> 00:39:55.347 So it kind of fools into thinking oh so i've seen this before i. 00:39:55.347 --> 00:39:58.537 Know what this is but uh just kind of interesting detail like clearly they're 00:39:58.537 --> 00:40:01.620 more comfortable building on linux than they are for these other platforms. 00:40:01.881 --> 00:40:06.137 I think uh you're gonna to see crazy scalping or I think we're already seeing 00:40:06.137 --> 00:40:08.967 it, but you're going to see crazy scalping on eBay or whatnot because of the 00:40:08.967 --> 00:40:10.362 order system for this kind of thing. 00:40:11.430 --> 00:40:12.257 So you're going to see this, I think. 00:40:12.257 --> 00:40:14.477 They were making some kind of changes with some of the ordering, 00:40:14.477 --> 00:40:17.659 I thought I heard. I haven't gotten the details because I'm not yet buying one. 00:40:18.367 --> 00:40:18.807 Yeah. 00:40:18.807 --> 00:40:21.877 I read a little about this. The ordering system's a bit fascinating. 00:40:21.877 --> 00:40:25.077 It's a lottery of sorts in a few waves. 00:40:25.397 --> 00:40:31.217 And that was meant to basically avoid scalpers coming in and buying all the 00:40:31.217 --> 00:40:37.158 units up and then charging twice as much for these units that are somewhat limited stock. 00:40:37.727 --> 00:40:41.732 So that is fascinating. So if you get in, you don't have to be like, 00:40:41.854 --> 00:40:44.687 it's not like a concert where you have to be the first person, 00:40:44.815 --> 00:40:47.327 you know, to hit their servers to be able to get one. 00:40:47.327 --> 00:40:48.837 First come, first serve. That's how you got the deck. 00:40:49.157 --> 00:40:52.807 Right, right. And so this is a little different where you have a certain period 00:40:52.807 --> 00:40:59.285 of time to like put your name into the draw and then they just pull it randomly. 00:40:59.541 --> 00:41:01.557 And that makes it a little bit more fair. 00:41:01.877 --> 00:41:06.477 And the order is defined with that random pick. So less pressure, 00:41:06.477 --> 00:41:11.766 but more fair. And you don't get these scalpers buying all the machines up. 00:41:12.648 --> 00:41:18.257 But what is happening is that already you're seeing reservation slots being 00:41:18.257 --> 00:41:22.041 sold on eBay for about double the valve price. 00:41:22.325 --> 00:41:24.148 So there's that. 00:41:25.337 --> 00:41:26.717 So we've just changed what we're scalping. 00:41:26.717 --> 00:41:27.047 Amazing. 00:41:28.317 --> 00:41:29.357 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:41:30.117 --> 00:41:33.077 People will always figure out a way. They'll always figure out a way, boys. 00:41:34.789 --> 00:41:39.797 Um, you know, I think all three of us are old enough to remember 2015. 00:41:40.397 --> 00:41:41.011 Oh, yeah. 00:41:42.178 --> 00:41:43.906 This isn't their first attempt. 00:41:44.206 --> 00:41:44.446 No. 00:41:44.446 --> 00:41:48.296 That's the wild thing. It's actually been long enough that it almost feels like 00:41:48.296 --> 00:41:49.366 this is the first attempt. 00:41:49.366 --> 00:41:51.580 They've clearly learned a lot that's got them here. 00:41:52.381 --> 00:41:56.146 Let's, I mean, just reflect on that for a moment. It doesn't feel like, 00:41:56.146 --> 00:42:00.560 Brent, they built, like, they tried to throw a house party before they built a house last time. 00:42:01.332 --> 00:42:04.306 And this time they realized they have to build, like, the whole house. 00:42:04.306 --> 00:42:11.136 Yeah, in 2015, I remember the amount of excitement everyone had of Valve making, 00:42:11.136 --> 00:42:15.026 you know, putting out these machines and also Linux. 00:42:15.466 --> 00:42:18.672 And that was unbelievable in 2015. 00:42:19.317 --> 00:42:19.554 Yeah. 00:42:19.717 --> 00:42:24.376 And they shipped it, which is even more unbelievable. But there are some major 00:42:24.376 --> 00:42:27.966 differences between what happened in 2015 and what's happening now. 00:42:27.966 --> 00:42:30.463 Like, it's basically, you know, an 11-year difference. 00:42:30.799 --> 00:42:35.876 They did sell it until about 2018, but you didn't really hear about it very 00:42:35.876 --> 00:42:37.875 often after the initial launch. 00:42:39.246 --> 00:42:43.176 And there's a lot of differences that happened. They invested a ton, 00:42:43.176 --> 00:42:44.866 especially if you look at Proton. 00:42:44.866 --> 00:42:50.306 They invested just a ton in getting Linux games working for this release of 00:42:50.306 --> 00:42:57.146 Steam Machine. So what is it like 80% or 90% of the library is now Linux compatible 00:42:57.146 --> 00:42:58.249 because of the work there? 00:42:58.696 --> 00:43:03.296 where back in 2015 it was like they were trying to encourage game developers 00:43:03.296 --> 00:43:05.296 to do the the transitional work they wanted. 00:43:05.296 --> 00:43:06.296 Them to port to linux. 00:43:06.296 --> 00:43:11.086 There was yeah i remember that being a big discussion and that's a hard decision 00:43:11.086 --> 00:43:15.606 to make as a developer of a game because you've put all your specialty into, 00:43:16.166 --> 00:43:19.846 you know the windows system and all of a sudden you have to learn a ton. 00:43:21.365 --> 00:43:22.253 You bring up a good point, 00:43:23.810 --> 00:43:28.178 The Linux community was so excited about the original Steam machines in 2015 00:43:28.178 --> 00:43:32.128 because the ask was developers were going to port to Linux natively. 00:43:32.714 --> 00:43:37.184 And so when Proton came along, there was a lot of discomfort about that. 00:43:37.295 --> 00:43:38.264 Knife in the back. 00:43:39.798 --> 00:43:44.678 We had the conversations on Linux Unplugged. I remember debating with Neil on 00:43:44.678 --> 00:43:50.192 the show about how this was going to really impact the future of game development on Linux, 00:43:50.738 --> 00:43:54.969 and that people would not have any incentives to develop native games for Linux anymore. 00:43:55.974 --> 00:44:02.528 And, like, that, while partially true, we wouldn't have the massive, 00:44:02.528 --> 00:44:07.838 massive adoption we have seen of Linux for gaming, which, compared to where 00:44:07.838 --> 00:44:10.138 I started, I never thought we'd be this far. 00:44:10.138 --> 00:44:13.728 We wouldn't have Windows synchronization primitives in the Linux kernel. 00:44:13.728 --> 00:44:17.898 And we wouldn't have Steam decks and Steam machines, right? So like their first 00:44:17.898 --> 00:44:21.667 go didn't account for any of this kind of stuff. It's really, 00:44:21.905 --> 00:44:22.996 I mean, it's really something, Brett. 00:44:23.315 --> 00:44:28.008 There's a quote here I pulled from Pierre-Louis Griffe. He's a Valve engineer 00:44:28.008 --> 00:44:31.238 well known for working on all of these projects. 00:44:31.238 --> 00:44:34.108 And doing a bunch of media coverage. Great job on that. 00:44:34.108 --> 00:44:39.284 That is also true, yeah. As we learned, there are folks of many hats at Valve. 00:44:41.118 --> 00:44:44.775 And he said that the developers were kind of stuck back then. 00:44:45.315 --> 00:44:49.135 And the question was, do I want to do a bunch of work to port my game? 00:44:49.802 --> 00:44:53.408 But there's not really an audience for it yet. The catalog wasn't really there. 00:44:53.408 --> 00:44:56.678 So it was like a chicken and egg problem, right? It's like, well, 00:44:56.678 --> 00:45:02.438 we have this big Valve machine coming out that people are excited about, 00:45:02.438 --> 00:45:05.644 but the games aren't quite there yet. So like, what's the investment? 00:45:06.573 --> 00:45:12.868 And Yazan, the engineer we mentioned earlier, also said the software just basically 00:45:12.868 --> 00:45:14.636 wasn't ready now that they look back at it. 00:45:15.078 --> 00:45:18.588 On the Linux side, he says, we learned from the first Steam machines that we 00:45:18.588 --> 00:45:22.972 need to make our developers' lives a lot easier. So now we have Proton. 00:45:23.512 --> 00:45:26.530 I think, you know, the Steam machines... 00:45:27.940 --> 00:45:30.099 And all of that were really provoked by the Windows Store. 00:45:31.109 --> 00:45:31.417 Yes. 00:45:31.417 --> 00:45:31.527 And, 00:45:33.971 --> 00:45:37.827 I think Valve was hoping that other developers would recognize the threat of 00:45:37.827 --> 00:45:42.660 a uni platform and would just use that as motivation to do all the hard lift. 00:45:43.479 --> 00:45:46.219 But I think that assessment was right. The graphics stack wasn't there. 00:45:46.589 --> 00:45:48.367 We weren't even really on Pipewire back then. 00:45:48.727 --> 00:45:52.347 So much worse. Wayland was just a dream in her eye. 00:45:52.347 --> 00:45:52.697 Yeah. 00:45:53.585 --> 00:45:56.507 Well, and there's one other difference that really stands out to me as well. 00:45:56.507 --> 00:45:57.370 Yeah. Okay. 00:45:57.776 --> 00:46:02.497 In 2015, Valve wasn't controlling the hardware. They were teaming up with some 00:46:02.497 --> 00:46:08.907 third parties to make these machines. And they had quality issues and some pricing 00:46:09.307 --> 00:46:11.656 differences and some support issues. 00:46:12.277 --> 00:46:17.663 And Greg Coomer, he's a Valve engineer in 2021, said that the Steam machine failure, 00:46:18.222 --> 00:46:22.177 taught, and they called it a failure, taught them that they needed to control 00:46:22.177 --> 00:46:27.707 the full hardware and software stack to have something be a success, basically. 00:46:27.707 --> 00:46:31.467 So that led to the Steam Deck, of course, being built in-house, 00:46:31.467 --> 00:46:34.249 and we all, I think, feel that that was a total success. 00:46:34.781 --> 00:46:39.317 And that led to this Steam Machine having that same path that the Steam Deck 00:46:39.317 --> 00:46:43.814 did. And it seems like a winning formula for them, or at least maybe we'll see. 00:46:44.260 --> 00:46:45.468 Now, still to come... 00:46:47.534 --> 00:46:52.403 We are going to see, I think, some real progress, maybe dependent on Steam Machine 00:46:52.403 --> 00:46:54.083 success, with anti-cheat, right? 00:46:54.083 --> 00:46:56.433 That's still the elephant in the room, whereas Brent says the penguin in the 00:46:56.433 --> 00:47:00.723 room when it comes to these machines. But there are some job postings that do 00:47:00.723 --> 00:47:03.098 seem like a positive sign in this area. 00:47:03.935 --> 00:47:08.153 Now, there is some anti-cheat built in for developers, but it's not like the 00:47:08.153 --> 00:47:09.239 Windows stuff that they want. 00:47:09.721 --> 00:47:12.903 There's a really interesting Valve Developer Hardware Talk PDF that I will link 00:47:12.903 --> 00:47:14.516 in the show notes that goes into some of this. 00:47:15.237 --> 00:47:20.019 So I think we have two big frontiers that's going to be next for the steam machine ecosystem. 00:47:21.140 --> 00:47:25.073 Solving anti-cheat is going to be a big one because that's the big blocker now. 00:47:25.073 --> 00:47:27.868 It's no longer technical compatibility and things like that for the most part. 00:47:28.541 --> 00:47:29.477 Largely, it's anti-cheat. 00:47:31.603 --> 00:47:37.445 That's hill number one. Hill number two, which I am very excited about, is the steam frame. 00:47:38.223 --> 00:47:43.656 That's next. That's an ARM-based VR headset using FEX and Proton. 00:47:43.888 --> 00:47:45.463 Can you remind us what the frame is. 00:47:46.947 --> 00:47:49.943 Well it's going to be a computer you put on your face it's a steam machine for 00:47:49.943 --> 00:47:53.960 your face it's like a face hugger right and I am super excited about that because, 00:47:54.720 --> 00:47:58.763 you know just like I presume the steam machine could be used as a regular PC 00:47:58.783 --> 00:48:02.928 it's got to be hackable right I'm presuming and that to me is so much potential, 00:48:03.759 --> 00:48:08.165 But the idea that it's going to be ARM, but still running some of these games, 00:48:08.808 --> 00:48:10.108 it's going to be really interesting. That is exciting. 00:48:11.088 --> 00:48:11.804 Interesting. 00:48:11.944 --> 00:48:16.898 What I love is it's just like it is the hacker spirit meets Valve money, 00:48:16.898 --> 00:48:20.488 right? Like proper funding and they hire brilliant people and collaborate with 00:48:20.488 --> 00:48:21.870 brilliant people to get it done. 00:48:22.021 --> 00:48:25.278 And clearly there's confidence enough to be like, oh, yeah, we could we only 00:48:25.278 --> 00:48:30.058 not made it work across, you know, from Windows to Linux. We'll do it across architectures, too. 00:48:30.058 --> 00:48:34.858 You're going to end up with users with a machine on their face that are running 00:48:34.858 --> 00:48:38.889 Intel Windows games on ARM, on Linux, and not even know it. 00:48:40.228 --> 00:48:40.968 What a success. 00:48:41.408 --> 00:48:46.078 It's really something. And so it's really that Steam deck compatibility, 00:48:46.078 --> 00:48:49.368 that Steam machine compatibility could end up meaning a lot more in the future. 00:48:49.368 --> 00:48:53.578 And we're already at the point where you can reproduce that environment on other 00:48:53.578 --> 00:48:57.808 Linux distributions. So it just means more general Linux availability for games. 00:48:58.382 --> 00:49:02.708 so distributions like bazite will benefit and you know those of us that run 00:49:02.708 --> 00:49:06.027 our own distros with steam on there are going to benefit like that's just huge, 00:49:06.948 --> 00:49:09.998 and the whole library is going to is going to massively expand and the face 00:49:09.998 --> 00:49:11.194 computer i cannot wait for it, 00:49:11.792 --> 00:49:15.298 the only thing that really concerns me is obviously the price yeah, 00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:20.538 i hope it's not apple vision pro levels i hope i hope i just please please don't 00:49:20.538 --> 00:49:23.988 be more than two thousand dollars or something because i desperately want to 00:49:23.988 --> 00:49:27.598 try a face computer as somebody who lives in a small space and would love to 00:49:27.598 --> 00:49:28.835 have a virtual office just. 00:49:29.688 --> 00:49:34.288 I wanted to like what level does it need like we saw things not go well so well 00:49:34.288 --> 00:49:37.088 on the apple side in terms of what they decided to continue to develop what 00:49:37.088 --> 00:49:38.534 do you need out of this batch, 00:49:39.368 --> 00:49:43.188 for it to keep happening so that we get through a few hardware cycles in a way 00:49:43.188 --> 00:49:45.348 that they don't need to reconsider this line of business. 00:49:45.768 --> 00:49:48.538 Well what if it's just pricing like what if they just have priced out of the 00:49:48.538 --> 00:49:53.308 market that's why i feel like the steam os strategy is still worth considering expanding on that, 00:49:54.289 --> 00:49:58.093 And then maybe a DIY edition that comes with no RAM so they can at least have 00:49:58.093 --> 00:50:01.237 a machine that's $7.99 or $8.99 on the store. 00:50:01.946 --> 00:50:05.813 You know, that's at least a price point that is, you know, when people say the 00:50:05.813 --> 00:50:07.133 minimum price, they're going to at least quote that. 00:50:07.133 --> 00:50:07.989 Steam machine kit. 00:50:08.610 --> 00:50:12.433 Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. That I think would, you know, 00:50:12.433 --> 00:50:16.481 you do that and maybe you ease up on the Steam machine or the Steam OS. 00:50:16.934 --> 00:50:20.272 You make a DIY. I don't know. I really want it to be a success. 00:50:20.626 --> 00:50:23.099 Because I really think Valve's cooking here and it's a good product. 00:50:23.633 --> 00:50:27.833 I think it needs a little bit more refinement on the software side based on 00:50:28.153 --> 00:50:31.693 what I'm seeing reported online and early feedback, but I think they'll do it 00:50:31.693 --> 00:50:33.257 with a few updates. They did it with the deck. 00:50:33.727 --> 00:50:36.833 The deck got a lot smoother as time went on. It's continuing. 00:50:36.833 --> 00:50:38.497 The deck still gets better with time. 00:50:39.333 --> 00:50:41.760 You know, all of this has actually made me appreciate my deck more. 00:50:42.080 --> 00:50:45.923 Well, and I think that means too, like they've really proven out shipping updates, 00:50:45.923 --> 00:50:48.669 maintaining their own system. Like that seems to be working. 00:50:49.029 --> 00:50:51.743 It's pretty cool. So if you're crazy enough out there to get one, 00:50:51.743 --> 00:50:55.103 You've got to write in or boost in and tell us about it. 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Maybe that's, maybe that's the solution. 00:52:23.911 --> 00:52:25.081 Implementation is TBD, but. 00:52:25.081 --> 00:52:28.570 Yeah. I could see him having an agent and still having too many damn tabs. 00:52:28.686 --> 00:52:31.658 Oh, yeah. I mean, it just makes it easier to open tabs now, right? 00:52:32.551 --> 00:52:36.813 Thanks, dude. We appreciate you. Thanks for being our baller this week. 00:52:37.266 --> 00:52:39.797 Brian from Boise is here with 5000 Sats. 00:52:41.352 --> 00:52:46.037 And he writes, a Father's Day to all and all the dads who keep their jellyfin online. 00:52:47.317 --> 00:52:47.917 Nice. 00:52:48.417 --> 00:52:52.737 They don't appreciate it, Brian. Back in our day, TV was a lot rougher, 00:52:52.737 --> 00:52:55.017 right? Thank you. Happy Father's Day to you, too. 00:52:55.649 --> 00:52:58.897 The facial hair boosts in with 4,100 sets. 00:53:01.710 --> 00:53:05.467 I have returned with more freshly mined sets. And I wanted to ask, 00:53:05.467 --> 00:53:10.987 what is everyone's 3D printing setup and any 3D printing hot takes? 00:53:10.987 --> 00:53:16.426 Well, there's been a bit of, you know, drama in the 3D printing community recently. 00:53:17.418 --> 00:53:22.667 I'm still, I feel like if I bought a 3D printer, I would probably find a million use cases for it. 00:53:22.677 --> 00:53:25.817 But before I own one, I haven't really thought of many other than one-off little 00:53:25.817 --> 00:53:26.917 repair parts here and there. 00:53:26.917 --> 00:53:28.507 Yeah, that alone seems pretty darn handy. 00:53:28.507 --> 00:53:32.969 If my kids were still pretty young, I think that'd be great. A lot of kid toys. 00:53:33.421 --> 00:53:38.807 for me and i don't know if this is the case or not is there consumer grade 3d 00:53:38.807 --> 00:53:43.337 printable parts for like you could use in a car or in an rv in, 00:53:44.677 --> 00:53:49.287 like you know hot stressed areas is that a thing because that would be very 00:53:49.287 --> 00:53:54.677 useful i would use it a lot for that but i feel like this and ham radio are my two biggest shames. 00:53:55.297 --> 00:54:01.147 Yeah i mostly uh 3d printing is super fun uh i'm mostly in the abused friends who have a 3D. 00:54:01.147 --> 00:54:07.235 Printer stage. I also, you know, of course, I'm going to be this guy for a second, but one wonders, 00:54:07.827 --> 00:54:10.788 in a world of agents where you could task an agent to like, you know, 00:54:11.206 --> 00:54:14.201 go get a spec or you could give it a, you know, you wonder if there isn't like, 00:54:14.648 --> 00:54:17.365 an agent that ends up producing a physical thing is kind of a fun idea. 00:54:18.437 --> 00:54:24.397 So boy, if I had the budge, I would try to get probably a nice open source setup 00:54:24.397 --> 00:54:27.497 going and try to really learn how to use it. But there's always, 00:54:27.497 --> 00:54:28.457 you know, something else. 00:54:28.678 --> 00:54:31.487 You know think what you could do with a really quick pipeline right you wake 00:54:31.487 --> 00:54:35.277 up in the middle of night with a weird dream idea and you wake up with a fresh print in the morning. 00:54:37.497 --> 00:54:39.821 You do wonder how many things you come across in your day that you're like, 00:54:39.821 --> 00:54:42.871 oh, I could really use like a little storage holder for this or an organizer 00:54:42.871 --> 00:54:45.761 for that or a way to mount this or a little fix. 00:54:46.761 --> 00:54:50.321 There's a lot of potential. Especially if you like your own custom stuff. 00:54:50.321 --> 00:54:50.749 That's right. 00:54:51.806 --> 00:54:58.644 Speaking of potential, Gene Bean came in with four boosts for a total of 7,118 sets. 00:55:04.217 --> 00:55:08.573 That's this first one's elite message. Not sure I've said so yet, 00:55:08.573 --> 00:55:11.160 but Clanker Therapy was an awesome stream. 00:55:12.135 --> 00:55:16.323 When using Codex with Hermes, which model are you having it utilize? 00:55:16.323 --> 00:55:20.161 And is it the same model for all the Codex-based tasks? 00:55:20.399 --> 00:55:22.613 You know, I kind of use different models for different agents, 00:55:22.613 --> 00:55:26.780 but I'd say on average I'm using Minimax M3, I think it is. 00:55:27.290 --> 00:55:32.747 And then when I'm using Codex, GPT-55 Medium is generally what I use. 00:55:33.624 --> 00:55:37.866 may switch to 5.6 when that's available. Once the White House decides I get access to it. 00:55:38.441 --> 00:55:43.623 And I might try out a GPT-5.6, but yeah. So Minimax is really good, 00:55:43.623 --> 00:55:45.228 very capable and very cheap. 00:55:46.083 --> 00:55:49.293 But GPT-5 obviously is a little more advanced. So I kind of do the initial build 00:55:49.293 --> 00:55:54.423 out with the GPT-5.5 and the codex or open code. And then I just use Minimax 00:55:54.423 --> 00:55:55.699 to just sort of run it on the daily. 00:55:56.982 --> 00:56:01.713 Okay, next question, Chris. Did you use Autrix 3 or something else for that 00:56:01.713 --> 00:56:02.993 fancy clock you showed us? 00:56:02.993 --> 00:56:05.335 Yeah, I think that's what I, yeah, yeah, that sounds right. 00:56:05.771 --> 00:56:09.973 Okay, short answer. And another one here regarding sharing your AI-generated 00:56:09.973 --> 00:56:11.402 music that we make for the show. 00:56:11.959 --> 00:56:16.373 Why not throw it up on Wavelake? It would be far from the only generated music 00:56:16.373 --> 00:56:19.481 up there. Of course, Fountain, you know, would also be an option. 00:56:20.828 --> 00:56:24.323 I just feel like so many people are pumping out AI-generated music and putting 00:56:24.323 --> 00:56:26.673 it out there and asking people to pay for it. I just won't do it. 00:56:26.958 --> 00:56:28.943 Okay, I won't do it. Not going to do it. 00:56:29.483 --> 00:56:34.123 Last message here. Did I just buy the Apple Talk sticker? Yes, I did. 00:56:34.123 --> 00:56:35.555 Yay! 00:56:35.665 --> 00:56:36.213 Nice. 00:56:36.213 --> 00:56:37.543 Excellent. Thank you. 00:56:37.543 --> 00:56:38.343 Well done. 00:56:38.343 --> 00:56:40.007 JupiterGarage.com for that. 00:56:41.313 --> 00:56:44.419 Dodge is back with 4,747 sets. 00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:51.859 On the Audible topic, I kept forgetting to set up my cron jobs years ago, 00:56:52.179 --> 00:56:55.750 so I was lazy and set up Libation on my mounted audiobook shelf drive. 00:56:56.599 --> 00:57:01.089 Oh, smart. It auto-downloads DDRMs and follows my naming folder conventions, 00:57:01.089 --> 00:57:03.479 and they show up on my audiobook shelf within minutes. 00:57:03.479 --> 00:57:03.949 Nice. 00:57:03.959 --> 00:57:07.009 Especially handy for friends and family that want to contribute to my audiobook 00:57:07.009 --> 00:57:10.118 shelf. I just add their account to Libation, and done. 00:57:10.553 --> 00:57:12.788 Yeah, Libation's got a weird UI, but it's pretty great. 00:57:13.287 --> 00:57:17.119 I never thought about just setting the download directory to audiobook shelf. 00:57:19.539 --> 00:57:23.719 I mean, I like running things as root and all that, but that's real YOLO mode, and I love it. 00:57:26.498 --> 00:57:28.437 Thank you, sir. Appreciate that, Daja. 00:57:29.325 --> 00:57:31.179 Oh, we got another Daja coming in. 00:57:31.179 --> 00:57:31.607 All right. 00:57:31.810 --> 00:57:33.934 12,345 sets. 00:57:38.538 --> 00:57:41.959 Talking about slowly accumulating too many VMs. 00:57:43.130 --> 00:57:47.889 I know they don't have the best rep, but I've had a lot of success with wholesale 00:57:47.889 --> 00:57:50.659 internet. or their sister company, Nosex. 00:57:51.419 --> 00:57:58.079 Dual Xeons with 64 gigs of RAM, 4.5 Ts of storage for $35 a month is hard to beat. 00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.049 If there is a hardware failure, they fix it fast and free. 00:58:01.049 --> 00:58:07.191 Okay. I'd love that to be six or eight terabytes, but I know that's just asking for too much these days. 00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:13.031 Like, a guy needs some storage. I've already got way more than 45 terabytes for this stuff. 00:58:13.401 --> 00:58:19.067 But that is a good deal overall these days. i mean you know that's kind of what fake nas is, 00:58:19.851 --> 00:58:24.099 although with 22 terabytes or 24 terabytes but uh you know it's an old xeon 00:58:24.099 --> 00:58:26.846 with 64 gigs of ram just running out there in the garage like a champ still, 00:58:27.502 --> 00:58:30.709 we really should do a uh live update on one of our future episodes it needs 00:58:30.709 --> 00:58:32.465 it now it's been a long time. 00:58:32.906 --> 00:58:36.372 Hydrogirum comes in with 4 000 sats, 00:58:39.598 --> 00:58:44.216 A little more on my Hermes setup. I'm using it to help me outline some stuff 00:58:44.216 --> 00:58:46.640 for a creative writing side project I have. 00:58:47.075 --> 00:58:51.836 But the latest episode's mention of Audible CLI with Agents has me thinking 00:58:51.836 --> 00:58:56.973 how I could safely give it access to my audio bookshelf library and integrate that. 00:58:57.454 --> 00:58:57.779 Yeah. 00:58:58.470 --> 00:59:01.657 Just mentioned a couple ideas if you don't mind going a little crazy. 00:59:02.725 --> 00:59:09.526 I loved that Hermes stuff. set up my own little clanker on Quen 3.5 9b and it's 00:59:09.526 --> 00:59:14.514 been much more useful than any other way I've interacted with an LLM yet. 00:59:14.977 --> 00:59:21.346 Managed to use 2ml in tokens in one session though and it starts having issues at about that point. 00:59:21.926 --> 00:59:26.280 Al still can't open the pod bay doors for me even so. 00:59:28.146 --> 00:59:31.076 You know it's really great to hear the progress coming with Quen. 00:59:31.076 --> 00:59:34.776 People are just I mean, you were early with, Wes was early with Quinn. 00:59:34.776 --> 00:59:38.366 He was saying, Quinn's pretty good a while ago, and now we're just seeing it over and over again. 00:59:38.466 --> 00:59:38.936 It's everywhere. 00:59:39.179 --> 00:59:42.986 Yeah. Interesting. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thank you, Hydrogram, 00:59:42.986 --> 00:59:44.944 for the update. Perseates you. 00:59:45.356 --> 00:59:49.426 AB's here with a Spaceballs boost. That's one, two, three, four, five stats. 00:59:52.305 --> 00:59:55.926 Did someone say web boosts? Keep up the good work, guys. Yeah, you got it, AB. 00:59:56.246 --> 00:59:56.809 Heck yeah. 00:59:57.238 --> 00:59:58.016 Nice to hear from you. 00:59:58.016 --> 00:59:58.916 Thanks for trying it out. 00:59:58.916 --> 00:59:59.300 Mm-hmm. 01:00:01.035 --> 01:00:04.246 Ed Brayton boosts in with 12,345. 01:00:04.246 --> 01:00:05.464 Cents. Or a barotin' as I say. 01:00:10.606 --> 01:00:13.486 We made it to plaid this episode. That's awesome. Thank you, Ed. 01:00:14.432 --> 01:00:20.844 Oh, okay. MeshTastic has faded away, but MeshCore has taken its place in the Pacific Northwest. 01:00:20.844 --> 01:00:21.314 Is that true? 01:00:21.674 --> 01:00:24.024 And there is a home assistant connection. 01:00:24.024 --> 01:00:24.314 All right. 01:00:24.634 --> 01:00:29.374 So what are you waiting for? Challenge. Add MeshCore to monitor chicken telemetry without the internet. 01:00:29.754 --> 01:00:31.474 I like this idea a lot. 01:00:31.474 --> 01:00:32.706 Oh, Ed, smart. 01:00:33.240 --> 01:00:38.944 Here's the thing. Is it true that, because my MeshTastic thing is popping off 01:00:38.944 --> 01:00:42.551 all the time. Like, I'm having people all around me, but I... 01:00:43.033 --> 01:00:44.003 Maybe you're not core. 01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:45.924 Yeah, I don't want to... You might be tested, but you're not core. 01:00:45.924 --> 01:00:51.114 Yeah, I want to be core if it's a thing. And I very much like the idea of using 01:00:51.114 --> 01:00:55.054 this for garden and chicken coop monitoring. And I have a node mounted to the 01:00:55.054 --> 01:00:58.364 top of the barn. So, you know, it seems like the right time to do it, right? 01:00:58.434 --> 01:01:00.140 There's also, why not both? 01:01:01.458 --> 01:01:03.879 Could you do both? Is that a thing? Can you do both? 01:01:03.995 --> 01:01:05.626 I don't know. Why not? 01:01:05.870 --> 01:01:09.074 Well, Ed, you've given me something to look into. Appreciate that. Thank you very much. 01:01:09.787 --> 01:01:14.402 Kiwi Bitcoin Guide boosted in four, five, six, seven sats. 01:01:17.878 --> 01:01:22.888 I've finally set up a Linux desktop and I'm slowly in the process of making it my daily driver. 01:01:23.323 --> 01:01:28.005 I'm running Mint and have installed LibreWolf browser, but can you recommend 01:01:28.005 --> 01:01:32.875 any other high-value services or apps for daily use, like notes, 01:01:32.875 --> 01:01:35.965 email, backup, file storage as starters? Thank you. 01:01:35.965 --> 01:01:40.779 Wow, Kiwi. Congratulations. That's huge. That's really great. 01:01:41.220 --> 01:01:45.092 It's hard for us to recommend apps because we don't know what you use entirely. 01:01:46.105 --> 01:01:49.266 Like, I don't know if you have, maybe you want to sync to something on your phone. 01:01:50.479 --> 01:01:54.183 So we need some details there. If you have existing stuff you need to work with, 01:01:54.537 --> 01:01:56.925 because that's key, right? But I mean. 01:01:58.705 --> 01:02:02.545 One option, it's far from exhaustive. But if you go to jupiterbroadcasting.com 01:02:02.545 --> 01:02:08.895 slash community slash pics, there's a list of all the stuff we've tagged, 01:02:08.895 --> 01:02:11.515 at least since we started doing it in a way that we could capture on the website. 01:02:11.515 --> 01:02:15.305 So there's a whole bunch of apps that we have at least tried out or maybe liked on the show. 01:02:15.305 --> 01:02:19.495 That is not a bad idea. Let us know how it goes, Kiwi, with any specifics. 01:02:19.495 --> 01:02:21.831 I think we could help you there. I think we could help you. 01:02:22.005 --> 01:02:23.385 And welcome. That's exciting. 01:02:23.385 --> 01:02:23.885 That is really cool. 01:02:24.105 --> 01:02:24.955 Thanks for sharing your journey. 01:02:24.955 --> 01:02:25.221 Yeah. 01:02:27.585 --> 01:02:30.451 MG101010 comes in with 6,666 sats. 01:02:32.036 --> 01:02:35.113 Password managers. I use Vault Warden for years. I choose it over Bitwarden 01:02:35.113 --> 01:02:38.403 subscription just so I can self-host it. Behind Nebula. 01:02:39.563 --> 01:02:42.973 I love it. I sponsor Vault Warden via GitHub and I subscribe to Bitward just 01:02:42.973 --> 01:02:44.267 to support both projects. 01:02:44.696 --> 01:02:48.773 New pricing is $1.65 a month. Not that bad. Loving the web boost. 01:02:48.773 --> 01:02:52.225 Here's a boost fest. Sorry for sending so many small ones. I just love testing this out. 01:02:52.551 --> 01:02:55.761 I love the web boost. Yeah, buddy. 01:02:56.411 --> 01:03:01.263 it's still not easy to get sats breeze oh uh it's still not easy well hopefully 01:03:01.263 --> 01:03:04.013 that'll get easier over time with breeze sats but i can set up with breeze it 01:03:04.013 --> 01:03:09.738 spins up i use strike via my bank deposit but unfortunately it's not available until july 14th yeah, 01:03:10.243 --> 01:03:13.253 some providers what they do is they kill they don't give you access to the sats 01:03:13.253 --> 01:03:17.563 until the ach transaction clears right right that ach transaction, 01:03:18.271 --> 01:03:21.777 takes here in the states can take days up in canada they can do it immediately 01:03:22.207 --> 01:03:23.103 but down here in the some sort. 01:03:23.103 --> 01:03:24.303 Of technical wizards up there. 01:03:24.663 --> 01:03:30.253 Like email or something yeah but that's great well done that is awesome MG nice 01:03:30.253 --> 01:03:32.763 to hear from you welcome aboard. 01:03:34.403 --> 01:03:37.663 Hey speaking of folks it's nice to hear from Elray741. 01:03:40.173 --> 01:03:40.963 He's a good guy. 01:03:43.680 --> 01:03:47.523 3,333 sets. Amazing content as always. 01:03:47.708 --> 01:03:51.269 I also wanted to ask your opinion on what kind of setup you would recommend 01:03:51.269 --> 01:03:56.509 for live streaming an online conference. I'll be helping out with CarolinaCon this year. 01:03:56.989 --> 01:03:58.807 And I'd planned on doing Jitsi. 01:03:58.947 --> 01:03:59.434 Oh, okay. 01:03:59.969 --> 01:04:02.529 And I'd planned on doing a self-hosted route instead of a SaaS solution because 01:04:02.529 --> 01:04:05.249 the conference doesn't have much money and my personal budget is tight. 01:04:05.629 --> 01:04:08.879 So I'd imagine paying for the VPS just for, you know, maybe a couple of days 01:04:08.879 --> 01:04:12.772 around the conference. Shouldn't be too expensive and just a one-time cost. 01:04:13.103 --> 01:04:16.935 Solution doesn't need to be perfect, but I just don't want it to be terrible. 01:04:17.777 --> 01:04:23.249 So the, are you trying to host and stream multiple talks, right? 01:04:23.249 --> 01:04:25.486 Because the complexity of that gets pretty high. 01:04:26.710 --> 01:04:33.309 Because the obvious easy, cheap setup is Linux box, OBS, and you just go to YouTube. 01:04:33.309 --> 01:04:33.529 Yep. 01:04:34.664 --> 01:04:39.174 That's the, like that, that's the low effort. Just going to work and everybody's going to find it. 01:04:39.778 --> 01:04:43.829 Now, you could do individual Jitsi rooms and all of that, but the way you're 01:04:43.829 --> 01:04:45.472 probably going to have to do that quickly would be... 01:04:47.261 --> 01:04:52.095 a laptop in the room with the presenter called into a Jitsi session, 01:04:52.095 --> 01:04:54.784 you're going to need a USB microphone that picks them up decently well. 01:04:55.470 --> 01:04:57.965 Yeah, a lot of hardware pieces to kind of connect through. 01:04:58.598 --> 01:05:00.936 So it depends on the scope of your stream. 01:05:03.505 --> 01:05:06.038 You might also want to check out VDO Ninja. 01:05:06.282 --> 01:05:08.925 Yeah, VDO.Ninja. VDO.Ninja. 01:05:09.345 --> 01:05:10.700 Which I believe is also self-hostable. 01:05:11.805 --> 01:05:16.058 One advantage to YouTube is it's also just kind of recorded for you. 01:05:16.365 --> 01:05:18.535 you don't have to do the recording locally or anything like that. 01:05:18.535 --> 01:05:22.905 So it's one less thing to take care of if you're on site and it's your first 01:05:22.905 --> 01:05:24.295 time juggling all this stuff. 01:05:25.520 --> 01:05:29.392 The kind of close to that experience that is fully self-hosted would be peer tube. 01:05:29.914 --> 01:05:30.525 Oh yeah. 01:05:30.525 --> 01:05:32.602 Which will let you do a live stream and record it for you and all that. 01:05:33.809 --> 01:05:37.321 But you know, then you're talking about a VPS that needs to be able to encode video. 01:05:38.123 --> 01:05:39.626 It's a different, it's just something. 01:05:41.625 --> 01:05:43.945 I don't like it. The more I think about it, I think you need to consider the 01:05:43.945 --> 01:05:46.365 scope of the event and what you want to capture. 01:05:46.365 --> 01:05:50.145 Is it just about being live? Is it deliverables of all of the talks recorded 01:05:50.145 --> 01:05:53.185 and available for viewing later? That could be different, yeah. 01:05:53.953 --> 01:05:57.035 It's really on the hardware and software side, you know, simple mixer, 01:05:57.738 --> 01:06:00.192 PC with OBS. That's what's pretty straightforward. 01:06:00.825 --> 01:06:06.835 The crazy option, I think, would be Big Blue Button, right? Isn't that a giant 01:06:06.835 --> 01:06:10.084 platform you can run for this? I think it's probably oversized, but. 01:06:10.426 --> 01:06:13.235 And there's StreamYard. There's a couple other things where it's essentially 01:06:13.235 --> 01:06:15.784 like a zoom that goes to a live stream. 01:06:16.684 --> 01:06:20.515 Yeah. Stream yard could be another one. River will also do that. So there's a couple. 01:06:20.515 --> 01:06:24.995 Rosado has a link here in the chat. It looks like there's a project called Jitsi 01:06:24.995 --> 01:06:29.397 deployment that might help with this. It's an auto scalable Jitsi. 01:06:30.093 --> 01:06:33.629 It does seem like he's pretty set on going with Jitsi. So that might be something worth looking at. 01:06:34.977 --> 01:06:39.707 I, you know, I think what happens a lot of times is people really focus on the 01:06:39.707 --> 01:06:43.607 infra of the stream and not the mechanics and actual day-to-day direction of the stream. 01:06:43.607 --> 01:06:45.937 And what's going to be on stream, how you're going to do the stream, 01:06:45.937 --> 01:06:49.147 how you're going to get, like, that stuff is way more important than how you 01:06:49.147 --> 01:06:52.157 actually get the stream out because you have a thousand options to get the stream out there. 01:06:52.349 --> 01:06:55.917 And that first stuff might inform, sort of, what you need on the second. 01:06:55.917 --> 01:06:56.557 Get good audio. 01:06:57.637 --> 01:06:59.522 Yeah, thanks for helping out a conference. That should be priority number one. 01:07:00.117 --> 01:07:02.077 I think, I wish more people were doing that for conferences. 01:07:02.077 --> 01:07:03.574 Yeah. Good on you. 01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:04.897 Wish we could do more of that. 01:07:04.897 --> 01:07:05.237 Have a good time. 01:07:05.237 --> 01:07:08.613 Greg, the lawyer comes in with $25 in fiat fund coupons. 01:07:09.072 --> 01:07:11.677 You asked in 672 about what sort of lawyering I do. 01:07:12.017 --> 01:07:15.707 I work in tech, mostly ISPs, for nearly two decades, then went to law school. 01:07:15.707 --> 01:07:19.033 I practice IP law, patents, copyright, trademark, and licensing. 01:07:19.521 --> 01:07:22.905 And I maintain roots in my prior career by cultivating a robust home lab. 01:07:23.091 --> 01:07:23.417 Nice. 01:07:23.417 --> 01:07:25.817 Living the next life. Yeah, Greg. 01:07:26.577 --> 01:07:27.037 Wonderful. 01:07:27.037 --> 01:07:27.619 Very good. 01:07:27.851 --> 01:07:31.937 Are we still looking for someone to help us with Google stealing all our voices? Is that a thing? 01:07:32.797 --> 01:07:33.677 Greg, you want to go after that? 01:07:36.831 --> 01:07:38.377 A guy from Vienna, Bussin. 01:07:38.377 --> 01:07:39.347 $5 in fiat. 01:07:39.347 --> 01:07:43.407 Indeed. I need help to pick a birthday present. 01:07:43.407 --> 01:07:43.757 Okay. 01:07:43.757 --> 01:07:44.407 Ooh. 01:07:44.952 --> 01:07:48.137 I want to buy a Steam Deck. Would you buy the old version or would you go for 01:07:48.137 --> 01:07:51.297 the OLED? The price difference is quite something. 01:07:51.837 --> 01:07:54.077 And I don't know if it's worth it. Please help. 01:07:54.077 --> 01:07:59.527 Well, I think it's worth it if you're planning to use the main screen for your primary gaming. 01:07:59.702 --> 01:08:02.207 Right. Are you doing it dark? mostly traveling with. 01:08:02.207 --> 01:08:07.607 It i i thought i was gonna be mostly handheld and i probably 70 percent play 01:08:07.607 --> 01:08:09.499 it hooked up to the tv i got a little dock, 01:08:10.341 --> 01:08:14.637 hook everything in there then i just slide it in boom i'm on the tv and at that 01:08:14.637 --> 01:08:18.189 point i don't really care what the screen is so just kind of i think depends, 01:08:18.765 --> 01:08:23.187 hate to give that guy a guy from vienna but like yes on oled if you're staring 01:08:23.187 --> 01:08:26.171 at the screen as your primary interface no if you're gonna be hooking up to the tv, 01:08:27.298 --> 01:08:28.964 Seems pretty straightforward. Yeah. Okay. 01:08:29.632 --> 01:08:34.572 Our dear friend adversary 17 is here with the first free members boost. 01:08:34.798 --> 01:08:41.335 Oh, he says, uh, so I'm serious here. Um, if you guys want some network attached 01:08:41.335 --> 01:08:45.955 storage for whatever, my server has about 30 terabytes just sitting here for 01:08:45.955 --> 01:08:47.662 you. You know how to find me. 01:08:48.684 --> 01:08:50.485 I just think I thought of a use for zero FS. 01:08:53.585 --> 01:08:54.565 Well, you're just too kind. 01:08:54.945 --> 01:08:56.095 Adversaries. 01:08:56.095 --> 01:09:00.814 Adversaries also says, so it seems that I can send multiple member boosts. 01:09:01.227 --> 01:09:03.299 He's going and breaking our system. 01:09:05.430 --> 01:09:07.139 Is it an honor system? 01:09:07.139 --> 01:09:09.839 No, it's kind of a, I think maybe it's just a, maybe misunderstanding of DUI. 01:09:09.839 --> 01:09:13.009 As far as we can tell, you can't actually. Although we, if somebody were to, 01:09:13.009 --> 01:09:14.598 we would not be too offended. 01:09:15.225 --> 01:09:17.483 Especially if it was you adversaries. Thank you very much. 01:09:18.336 --> 01:09:22.229 Vipers here with a free member boost. Thanks for covering useful and positive 01:09:22.229 --> 01:09:25.869 AI use cases. So much of the general Linux related coverage of AI is burnt out 01:09:25.869 --> 01:09:27.279 negativity or avoidance. 01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:28.239 Yeah, so true. 01:09:29.019 --> 01:09:33.151 No kidding. Talk about, yeah. Wow, we should be seizing the means of production. 01:09:33.300 --> 01:09:34.236 You get it. 01:09:34.739 --> 01:09:40.609 Like if you don't participate actively you're just going to get left out and 01:09:40.609 --> 01:09:44.009 then you don't get a right to complain about what we end up with it's like people 01:09:44.009 --> 01:09:47.431 who never vote and then complain about political decisions 01:09:47.826 --> 01:09:50.560 well if you don't participate in the process, 01:09:51.419 --> 01:09:55.359 like this is why like we got we got steamrolled on some of the license station 01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:58.629 stuff initially and it took a pushback before that was respected, 01:09:59.290 --> 01:10:03.489 uh and you see like the conservancy stepping up and taking an active role in 01:10:03.489 --> 01:10:07.859 some areas it's finally defining some of the edges of this actively from our 01:10:07.859 --> 01:10:13.169 perspective as a free software community it's great to see but yeah you really nailed it there, 01:10:14.295 --> 01:10:18.779 it's burnt out negativity or avoidance really does seem like it nails it. 01:10:20.429 --> 01:10:22.259 Which i mean we can have some empathy for. 01:10:22.259 --> 01:10:23.689 Yes oh for sure there are. 01:10:23.689 --> 01:10:24.809 There can be issues too. 01:10:24.809 --> 01:10:28.009 Yeah well it's i i totally empathize empathize with that like i that is why 01:10:28.009 --> 01:10:31.199 it's such a good description, because that's what it feels like. All right. 01:10:31.559 --> 01:10:37.259 Triton member boosts in. I personally use Duper Move with ButterFS and can recommend. 01:10:37.699 --> 01:10:39.519 I usually target specific directories 01:10:39.519 --> 01:10:44.019 per run, i.e. Steam games on desktop or media or ROMs on server. 01:10:44.019 --> 01:10:49.149 ROMs is clever. I definitely have dupes in ROMs. That's a good one, Triton. 01:10:49.149 --> 01:10:52.031 So thank you. This is a question I've been pondering for the last week or two, 01:10:52.698 --> 01:10:56.500 on my little home server, so thank you. Good little one plus there. 01:10:57.490 --> 01:11:00.363 A guy from Vienna boosted in with a free member boost, 01:11:03.073 --> 01:11:07.137 Long time listener since episode 375, first time booster. 01:11:07.288 --> 01:11:10.069 Thanks for the option to web boost. I love it. I always appreciate your coverage 01:11:10.069 --> 01:11:14.131 on the Red Hat Summit. But this year, I've been feeling it. I think it wasn't the event, though. 01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:19.855 I think it was the event, though. It was, I missed the real insights. Was it blue washing? 01:11:20.616 --> 01:11:23.071 You know, I don't think they really talk about IBM much at these events. 01:11:23.594 --> 01:11:26.249 Like, it comes up from, like, the granite model perspective. 01:11:26.249 --> 01:11:32.409 But they really don't emphasize IBM. And Red Hat tries to really kind of present 01:11:32.409 --> 01:11:33.679 themselves as their own unique brand. 01:11:33.839 --> 01:11:36.479 Yeah, when they do, it's kind of as more of a partnership that you might see 01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:37.489 with a different company. 01:11:37.489 --> 01:11:41.456 Yeah, yeah. It's funny. So, like, you may see a few IBM logos, 01:11:42.309 --> 01:11:46.477 but it's probably a 1 to 1,000 ratio of Red Hat logos, at least. 01:11:47.748 --> 01:11:51.589 They don't really bring it up. They want to appear to be like the Switzerland 01:11:51.589 --> 01:11:53.651 of operating systems, I believe is what it is. 01:11:53.877 --> 01:11:56.926 But thank you, and thank you for listening so long. I love it. 01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:01.689 That's great. I see somebody just wanted to test to see if the free member boost was real. 01:12:01.689 --> 01:12:03.769 That was me testing to see if I could send multiple. 01:12:03.769 --> 01:12:05.479 Oh, I see. Okay. Are you a member? 01:12:05.499 --> 01:12:08.169 I'll have your adversaries. Nice boost alerting us. 01:12:08.169 --> 01:12:11.669 Yeah. You had to test it. Got to test it. Dodge is back with a free boost. 01:12:13.950 --> 01:12:18.856 You should make sure you have proper, I think he's referring to something I 01:12:18.856 --> 01:12:22.106 missed. But he was talking about making sure that you have proper backups, 01:12:22.106 --> 01:12:23.982 which I always completely agree with on that. 01:12:24.950 --> 01:12:30.526 Configure it with auto local failover. In his case, everything's R-synced as part of a 3-2-1. 01:12:30.526 --> 01:12:31.296 There you go, Brent. 01:12:31.756 --> 01:12:32.874 That's impressive. 01:12:33.297 --> 01:12:34.825 You want to take a chupacabra? 01:12:35.004 --> 01:12:38.179 Yeah, a chupacabra member boosts in. Hello, fellow nerds. 01:12:38.557 --> 01:12:42.386 Blank canvas syndrome update. My syndrome is really about setting up Hermes 01:12:42.386 --> 01:12:46.295 on NixOS with wrappers. Plenty of ideas on where to integrate Hermes afterwards. 01:12:46.682 --> 01:12:52.075 Cloud code helped a lot, but I'd love best practices from pros to keep this genie in the bottle. 01:12:52.702 --> 01:12:53.062 Okay. 01:12:53.271 --> 01:12:55.093 Plus one on higher character limit. 01:12:55.607 --> 01:12:58.764 You know, something if you're really concerned about that is you could run it just in a container. 01:12:59.238 --> 01:13:00.356 Container, VM, whatever boundary. 01:13:00.416 --> 01:13:03.837 The production one that we use for Jupyter Broadcasting, we have it in a VM. 01:13:04.050 --> 01:13:04.276 Yeah. 01:13:04.649 --> 01:13:08.568 And we just, that VM is completely isolated and dedicated just to that agent. 01:13:08.788 --> 01:13:13.476 I started mine in a micro vm on a nix os both so it just had a whole own little 01:13:13.476 --> 01:13:17.586 setup there and it could have free range inside but i could filter it and then 01:13:17.586 --> 01:13:20.757 i had the host as well available if i wanted to do firewalling or other things there. 01:13:20.863 --> 01:13:24.616 It's nice because you can take backups before it does anything if it like you know nukes itself or. 01:13:24.616 --> 01:13:26.261 Something true. 01:13:26.662 --> 01:13:28.995 Jcube has a free mamba boost, 01:13:30.981 --> 01:13:34.556 I just wanted to add a big plus one for the Zeus home automation gear paired 01:13:34.556 --> 01:13:35.686 with home assistant. Yeah. 01:13:36.066 --> 01:13:41.372 And the ZWA to the home assistance releases. I have 20 plus of the Zen Z1 switches 01:13:41.679 --> 01:13:44.390 and a couple of the Xen04 plugs. They just work. 01:13:45.046 --> 01:13:49.526 ZWA2 has cleared up several of the Z-Wave issues I was having prior to the swap. Yeah. 01:13:50.155 --> 01:13:54.686 I have not had a single issue. And I didn't expect I would. But I have not had 01:13:54.686 --> 01:14:00.045 a single issue with the new coupe stuff. The sensors have been online 24-7. 01:14:01.646 --> 01:14:05.336 I only really have two Z-Wave devices so I guess it's not that surprising but 01:14:05.336 --> 01:14:08.956 it has been really, really rock solid I just love that setup so again, 01:14:08.956 --> 01:14:13.164 just key points here Zeus, Z-O-O-Z, no relation I just, 01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:16.798 love the company because they make great Home Assistant compatible hardware, 01:14:17.257 --> 01:14:21.816 combined with the ZWA-2 which is made by the Home Assistant folks which is a 01:14:21.816 --> 01:14:26.097 great Z-Wave antenna it's big, but it's good and it's open. 01:14:27.465 --> 01:14:33.291 Well, Eric, the musician, oh, no, wait, Eric, the magician is here with a members boost. 01:14:33.691 --> 01:14:34.526 That's a different one. 01:14:35.911 --> 01:14:39.720 Chris, how do you deal with split DNS on Nebula? 01:14:39.952 --> 01:14:43.431 The DNS server configuration doesn't seem to overwrite my clients as smoothly 01:14:43.431 --> 01:14:46.631 for me compared to, say, tail scale. 01:14:47.111 --> 01:14:50.981 I don't want the VPN on when I'm home, and I'm currently using two different 01:14:50.981 --> 01:14:53.639 DNS servers for home and on the mesh. 01:14:54.591 --> 01:15:00.409 So I'm doing two things a little bit differently. I'm using DNS servers on each network. 01:15:01.361 --> 01:15:05.461 So I'm not using the built-in client DNS stuff. And I leave the VPNs on all 01:15:05.461 --> 01:15:07.519 the time. So I don't turn them off. 01:15:08.611 --> 01:15:12.411 I kind of think, I think if you're doing a mesh network, the point is to sort 01:15:12.411 --> 01:15:15.981 of leave it on 24-7. And if you don't want a mesh network, then you could just 01:15:15.981 --> 01:15:20.303 do a wire guard, you know, and maybe avoid some of this. 01:15:20.516 --> 01:15:25.334 If you do have full control, you might be able to have it so that the same name just... 01:15:26.234 --> 01:15:31.591 like you still keep it resolving to the mesh system and then you could just 01:15:31.591 --> 01:15:32.791 route to it or something like that? 01:15:32.791 --> 01:15:33.323 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:15:34.344 --> 01:15:36.772 You have a few options. You have complete control, but that doesn't always work 01:15:36.772 --> 01:15:38.352 for every client. It kind of depends on. 01:15:38.352 --> 01:15:41.742 There's really no, at least when you're using Nebula, there's really no performance 01:15:41.742 --> 01:15:46.449 downside to just always talking to the Nebula machine names and IPs. 01:15:47.152 --> 01:15:49.689 It's really good about figuring out local or all that. So it's, 01:15:50.147 --> 01:15:53.334 I just always, always am using the Nebula names. 01:15:53.495 --> 01:15:56.571 And then it's just which IP it gets resolved to based on the DNS server it uses. 01:15:57.572 --> 01:16:02.072 Eric, I would argue that maybe you should reconsider turning the mesh on and 01:16:02.072 --> 01:16:05.221 off. That seems surprising to me. I don't know how many people that do that. 01:16:05.865 --> 01:16:09.112 That seems like you're making a hard mode, my friend. But maybe there's a reason. 01:16:09.112 --> 01:16:10.162 I'd always love to know what it is. 01:16:10.162 --> 01:16:12.322 Yeah, tell us more. Thanks for sharing your setup. 01:16:12.322 --> 01:16:13.308 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 01:16:14.172 --> 01:16:16.952 Nutters members boost in. This is awesome. 01:16:17.852 --> 01:16:19.641 Nutters member. He's nutters. 01:16:21.218 --> 01:16:23.152 Responses to download folder file count. 01:16:23.152 --> 01:16:23.682 Oh, here we go. 01:16:23.682 --> 01:16:27.262 Looks like 182. Bit less than I was expecting. 01:16:27.262 --> 01:16:27.612 Okay. 01:16:28.112 --> 01:16:30.352 Okay, but how about storage space required? 01:16:30.352 --> 01:16:30.842 Uh-huh. 01:16:30.842 --> 01:16:34.792 Mine, apparently, sitting at 246 gigs. 01:16:34.792 --> 01:16:35.452 Oh, no. 01:16:36.072 --> 01:16:39.432 Guess I found where a good chunk of my two terabyte drive was going. 01:16:40.872 --> 01:16:41.552 That's impressive. 01:16:41.552 --> 01:16:44.852 I wonder. All right. Okay, so my downloads folder on this machine. 01:16:44.852 --> 01:16:45.732 Is that what we're doing? 01:16:45.732 --> 01:16:48.372 I'm just going to tell you the size, because I want more people to tell us how 01:16:48.372 --> 01:16:51.567 many files are in there, because this local machine is not my primary daily driver. 01:16:52.553 --> 01:16:56.602 The local machine here in the studio has 32 gigabytes of downloads. 01:16:56.602 --> 01:16:58.485 Oh, I'm at 11 over here. 01:16:58.910 --> 01:17:01.652 That's really impressive considering how long you've had that laptop you must 01:17:01.652 --> 01:17:05.262 prune it from time to time I do yeah what Brantley what's your total downloads 01:17:05.262 --> 01:17:06.232 folder size at the moment. 01:17:06.232 --> 01:17:08.504 Yeah I just checked it's 61 megs. 01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:10.462 Oh that's really lean. 01:17:10.653 --> 01:17:15.822 Yeah it's because I have basically I have Firefox ask me every single time where 01:17:15.822 --> 01:17:17.012 I want something because I. 01:17:17.012 --> 01:17:18.552 Hate the idea of having. 01:17:18.552 --> 01:17:20.283 A giant folder filled with just. 01:17:20.440 --> 01:17:24.952 Random I know I gave up on that 20 years ago just ask your. 01:17:24.952 --> 01:17:26.895 Hermes agent to clean it up sorry. 01:17:27.917 --> 01:17:31.230 See, sometimes I use browsers that don't even offer where to save stuff, 01:17:31.230 --> 01:17:35.533 too. Like, I'm, you know, man, I like, I just got to lean into the defaults. 01:17:36.578 --> 01:17:40.520 You know, one thing you can do is just mount your downloads folder as a tempFS 01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:41.480 and really just commit to it. 01:17:43.120 --> 01:17:49.616 Smart. Never reboot. So, Nutters, you got us beat at 246 gigs. 01:17:49.925 --> 01:17:54.084 Can anybody beat Nutters for the downloads folder at 246 gigs? 01:17:54.358 --> 01:17:59.120 Can anybody beat Nutters? Let us know. Boosted. All right. I'll wrap this up 01:17:59.120 --> 01:18:03.315 here with, is this the last one I think? Bearded Zero comes in with a members boost. 01:18:03.814 --> 01:18:06.010 I love it. They're testing it because they don't even believe it. 01:18:06.010 --> 01:18:08.580 It's so good. Testing the member boost. Test, test, test, test. 01:18:08.580 --> 01:18:11.770 Is this thing on? Oh, hi. I enjoyed your clanker therapy. Chris, 01:18:11.770 --> 01:18:12.740 please make a new show already. 01:18:17.140 --> 01:18:19.460 Wow. That was a direct call out right there. 01:18:19.460 --> 01:18:20.428 I think he liked it. 01:18:20.759 --> 01:18:25.260 Woo. I enjoyed it very much. I want a new show. It could be bi-weekly or monthly. 01:18:25.260 --> 01:18:27.330 Members get the full episode publicly feed. It's the highlights. 01:18:27.330 --> 01:18:30.360 Keep up the amazing work. Well, thanks for that vote, Bearded Zero. 01:18:30.360 --> 01:18:31.060 Yeah, that's great. 01:18:31.580 --> 01:18:35.660 That's some strong confidence there. Thank you, everybody, who boosted it. 01:18:35.660 --> 01:18:39.140 And thank you to everybody who streamed those sats. We had 14 of you stream 01:18:39.140 --> 01:18:41.012 sats and collectively use sats streamers. 01:18:41.192 --> 01:18:46.997 Stacked a very handsome 24,156 sats. Thank you very much for that. 01:18:49.706 --> 01:18:52.822 Just streaming those sats as you listen. When you bring it all together with 01:18:52.822 --> 01:18:56.498 our fiat boosts and our regular boosts and our member boosts, 01:18:57.031 --> 01:19:04.512 this episode, episode 673 of your Unplugged program, stacked a grand total of 180,959, 01:19:06.932 --> 01:19:11.405 Satoshis. Not too bad at all. Thank you, everybody. 01:19:12.368 --> 01:19:15.372 We had a good amount of boosts there. Love hearing from you guys. 01:19:15.372 --> 01:19:18.972 It's our favorite segment. 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Thank you, everybody who supports the show. 01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:46.467 We got not one, not two, but three great picks for you this week. 01:19:46.924 --> 01:19:49.124 I don't know, Brentley, are you still a Tidal subscriber? 01:19:49.315 --> 01:19:49.584 Oh, yeah. 01:19:49.604 --> 01:19:50.224 Still on Tidal Music? 01:19:50.224 --> 01:19:50.748 Yeah, I love it. 01:19:51.399 --> 01:19:55.962 I do like the Tidal Music service, and I often use it in the web browser, and that's fine. 01:19:56.409 --> 01:20:04.114 But you don't get access to the absolute highest quality audio in the web browser. It's a shame. 01:20:04.114 --> 01:20:07.294 So you're paying for the high-quality music service, and you're not getting it. 01:20:07.294 --> 01:20:10.764 Yeah, it still sounds great, but it's not, you know, the best, 01:20:10.764 --> 01:20:13.493 like the lossless flack, which is really what I want. I just want to know. 01:20:14.015 --> 01:20:20.192 So there is a great native title desktop client for Linux called Sone, S-O-N-E. 01:20:20.708 --> 01:20:26.094 And it does support the bit perfect lossless audio, 24 bit, 192 kilohertz. 01:20:26.094 --> 01:20:31.227 And it'll even operate in exclusive also mode, which is necessary for some of this high res stuff. 01:20:31.993 --> 01:20:35.988 So you can get the max streaming, absolutely beautiful bit perfect output. 01:20:37.044 --> 01:20:40.404 It also has what they call smart DAC matching. So if you're nerdy enough to 01:20:40.404 --> 01:20:44.966 have a supported high-end DAC to really take advantage of this actual high-quality audio. 01:20:45.367 --> 01:20:49.454 It has smart DAC matching. It has signal path transparency. So you can see exactly 01:20:49.454 --> 01:20:53.616 where the audio is going end-to-end through the GStreamer pipeline and all of that. 01:20:54.498 --> 01:20:58.654 You can do a few things like automatic volume control, but the one feature that 01:20:58.654 --> 01:20:59.792 you also don't get in the web, 01:21:02.230 --> 01:21:06.034 is gapless playback, which they have added. So they have seamless, 01:21:06.034 --> 01:21:08.070 silence-free transitions between tracks. 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:09.384 Yes, please. 01:21:09.384 --> 01:21:17.224 Yeah, and a few other nice features. It's GPL 3.0. It's available on GNU slash Flathub or, 01:21:19.724 --> 01:21:20.244 you know, on GitHub. 01:21:22.571 --> 01:21:25.267 I'm just, I was distracted because I saw we also have high tide in here. 01:21:25.267 --> 01:21:26.487 I, another title client. 01:21:26.497 --> 01:21:27.097 A sneaky bonus pick. 01:21:27.097 --> 01:21:31.938 I'm throwing in a bonus pick. A couple of weeks ago, I was looking to solve a similar problem. 01:21:33.037 --> 01:21:36.817 I was using, uh, what was the other one that we mentioned? I was using something 01:21:36.817 --> 01:21:42.485 and, um, I wanted a little smoother experience on the desktop. So I looked at Sony. 01:21:43.711 --> 01:21:48.138 And I ultimately went with something called Hightide. So it says here, 01:21:48.478 --> 01:21:53.035 Lib Edweta title client for Linux, GPL3 as well. 01:21:53.289 --> 01:22:00.616 It has 34 contributors, which is not too bad. And it's just a native Linux title streaming client. 01:22:01.011 --> 01:22:05.284 Nice GTK4 style, which I think would probably work fine really on any desktop. 01:22:05.416 --> 01:22:06.892 You were using it on Plasma, obviously. 01:22:07.773 --> 01:22:10.978 Yeah, it's available on Flathub as well. And it's been pretty good. 01:22:10.978 --> 01:22:14.768 There's a couple ways of using it I don't love. 01:22:14.768 --> 01:22:19.348 Like, sometimes you click in a certain place and you hit spacebar just to stop 01:22:19.348 --> 01:22:25.888 it from playing, and it just doesn't do that. So, that would be my worst feedback. 01:22:25.888 --> 01:22:27.258 That's my worst feedback. 01:22:27.778 --> 01:22:28.178 Yeah, okay. 01:22:28.538 --> 01:22:29.028 But other than that. 01:22:29.028 --> 01:22:32.718 It's great. Meanwhile, mine gives you, like, exclusive DAC control, audio graphs. 01:22:32.718 --> 01:22:34.138 Hey, it depends what you're looking for. 01:22:34.138 --> 01:22:37.098 You're like, yeah, but, you know, mine's Eduardo, so. Yeah, okay. 01:22:37.738 --> 01:22:38.898 Okay, good news for both of you. 01:22:38.898 --> 01:22:39.298 All right. 01:22:39.591 --> 01:22:40.938 They're both packaged in Knicks. 01:22:41.318 --> 01:22:46.948 Hey! Very good. Okay, so this next one's really for the nerds that just like 01:22:46.948 --> 01:22:49.337 to know how things are working under the hood. 01:22:49.697 --> 01:22:51.572 This one's called COPWR. 01:22:51.972 --> 01:22:58.678 It's C-O-P-P-W-R. COPWR. And what it does is it gives you just unbelievable 01:22:58.678 --> 01:23:01.549 insights into what's going on in Pipewire under the hood. 01:23:02.038 --> 01:23:06.750 Node graphs, object inspection, creation, rerouting. 01:23:07.023 --> 01:23:07.725 Everything. 01:23:07.849 --> 01:23:13.323 The details that it gives you, I didn't even know Pipewire had this information in some cases. 01:23:13.636 --> 01:23:18.818 Like, it's down to, like, driver-level latencies and just the entire pipeline. 01:23:18.818 --> 01:23:21.409 And the design is really nice, too. 01:23:22.438 --> 01:23:28.666 And it just gives you insight into individual, like, latencies of applications and hardware devices. 01:23:29.136 --> 01:23:32.387 You can really see what your system is doing when it comes to your audio system, 01:23:32.758 --> 01:23:33.646 even if you never really –, 01:23:34.436 --> 01:23:36.250 need it it's just so cool to see it. 01:23:36.250 --> 01:23:39.850 Really is yeah there's a process viewer so you can see all the processes interacting 01:23:39.850 --> 01:23:43.260 with the sound system obviously there's like a graph of all the ports and links 01:23:43.260 --> 01:23:46.770 between them plus there's a profiler in there so if you're. 01:23:46.770 --> 01:23:47.690 All writing. 01:23:47.690 --> 01:23:49.690 An audio program that could be useful. 01:23:49.690 --> 01:23:54.260 Yeah yeah yeah anyways i mean i know i'm we should probably move on from this 01:23:54.260 --> 01:23:58.390 one because i know it's pretty niche but it's just you know a gooey app to show 01:23:58.390 --> 01:24:01.370 you all this cool stuff going on under the hood you never really knew about. 01:24:01.370 --> 01:24:05.084 Something tells me you two are We're trying to solve something, and this came in handy. 01:24:05.860 --> 01:24:09.792 It does. All right. Last but not least, kind of a different category. 01:24:10.228 --> 01:24:14.840 This one is a new tool out there being made in our community by AndersWeb, and, 01:24:15.602 --> 01:24:21.260 this is a simple control plane CLI that enrolls and unrolls Linux hosts into 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:25.838 a Define.NET managed Nebula network. DN-tool. 01:24:26.180 --> 01:24:30.170 It calls the Define.NET REST API to create and delete host records It obtains 01:24:30.170 --> 01:24:32.020 single-use enrollment codes and then, 01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:41.132 orchestrates the proprietary DN client daemon, which then downloads and verifies at runtime. 01:24:41.780 --> 01:24:46.280 You see, easy for me to read. It is strictly a control plane and never re-implements 01:24:46.280 --> 01:24:48.400 the Nebula server or replaces DN client. 01:24:49.113 --> 01:24:52.240 And it has a flake. It is currently unlicensed at this moment, 01:24:52.240 --> 01:24:53.300 so I couldn't tell you the license. 01:24:53.300 --> 01:24:55.086 Oh, no, it's the unlicensed license. 01:24:57.500 --> 01:24:58.000 Is it really? 01:24:58.000 --> 01:24:58.242 Yeah. 01:24:58.796 --> 01:24:59.910 Oh, you're right. It is. Yeah. 01:24:59.910 --> 01:25:00.580 Okay. 01:25:00.580 --> 01:25:03.683 I just zoomed right past that. Yeah. 01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:07.550 But so you got a few commands, install, enroll, unenroll, run, write config. 01:25:07.550 --> 01:25:11.526 So the idea here is if you're using define.net, manage Nebula network, 01:25:11.968 --> 01:25:15.460 they have an API where you can create and delete host records, 01:25:15.460 --> 01:25:19.264 obtain single use enrollment codes, orchestrate things like the DN client, 01:25:19.571 --> 01:25:22.420 all of that. And this is a little CLI front end to do that. 01:25:22.420 --> 01:25:26.450 Yeah, and I think in particular, so this, I found this because the person popped 01:25:26.450 --> 01:25:28.620 into our agent operators guild in Telegram. 01:25:28.620 --> 01:25:28.940 Yeah. 01:25:28.940 --> 01:25:33.229 And so they're running a home lab, got Hermes in there, obviously using Nix OS. 01:25:33.577 --> 01:25:37.220 And the define.net has a client that does all this already, but it's a little 01:25:37.220 --> 01:25:40.200 tricky to use, doesn't have compatibility out of the box with Nix OS. 01:25:40.509 --> 01:25:43.830 So I think this is partly an implementation that would let them bridge those 01:25:43.830 --> 01:25:45.981 things. And thankfully, we're willing to share. 01:25:46.436 --> 01:25:53.820 What's neat about Nebula is you can have agents stand up a mesh network without any permission to, 01:25:54.411 --> 01:25:57.795 from a tech company, but it is, you have to stand up the whole thing. 01:25:57.795 --> 01:26:01.545 So with this, you can use the defined networking stuff that makes it a little 01:26:01.545 --> 01:26:05.024 bit simpler to get going, but still have the agent stand the entire thing up. 01:26:06.073 --> 01:26:07.629 And it's the same nebula. 01:26:07.804 --> 01:26:11.135 Yeah. It's the same nebula underneath. We're using the same lighthouses that 01:26:11.135 --> 01:26:12.337 you could self host yourself. 01:26:12.964 --> 01:26:15.855 And the agents have, they can have full governance over it if you want, 01:26:15.855 --> 01:26:19.245 or have not, like, it's so cool when you wrap your head around what it means 01:26:19.629 --> 01:26:22.757 when you can control and build the mesh network directly yourself, 01:26:23.303 --> 01:26:26.715 and with the way they have the setup you could also just take advantage of the 01:26:26.715 --> 01:26:29.535 hosted defined stuff i mean yes they're a sponsor but they don't pay for this 01:26:29.535 --> 01:26:30.759 section this is all free this, 01:26:31.315 --> 01:26:34.445 is all just free right i'm giving the milk away right now because i think it's great. 01:26:34.445 --> 01:26:37.515 To use your own caution this is a freshly ai generated tool. 01:26:37.515 --> 01:26:37.915 To serve. 01:26:37.915 --> 01:26:41.375 This particular need so evaluate if you want but just that you can do this right 01:26:41.375 --> 01:26:44.085 or you could write your own because there's just an api if you're using that 01:26:44.085 --> 01:26:45.505 side of it super flexible. 01:26:46.035 --> 01:26:50.535 A couple of commands and you've got a mesh network that works over carrier grade 01:26:50.535 --> 01:26:54.885 NAT and reconnects when it goes down because of internet connection issues or 01:26:54.885 --> 01:26:56.455 whatever. I mean, it's powerful. 01:26:56.455 --> 01:26:58.715 You can also host your own relays, which we don't talk about much. 01:26:58.715 --> 01:27:02.385 But if you do, you're kind of picky about how your network flows go, 01:27:02.682 --> 01:27:03.395 that's probably for you. 01:27:03.895 --> 01:27:08.006 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. All right. We want to know, are you in the market for a Steam machine? 01:27:08.644 --> 01:27:12.195 Are you going to pay the premium? Why or why not? I want to know if you're going 01:27:12.195 --> 01:27:15.535 to build it too. So boost in, boost.jupiterbroadcasting.com, 01:27:15.965 --> 01:27:18.258 and let us know if you're going to do it. 01:27:19.877 --> 01:27:21.122 I'm worried nobody's going to do it. 01:27:21.122 --> 01:27:22.172 And then tell us which model. 01:27:22.172 --> 01:27:23.590 Yeah, we want to know that too. Yeah. 01:27:23.769 --> 01:27:25.110 And what game you're playing first. 01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:29.101 Okay, Wes. Is there anything, you know, extra we ought to know about the show? 01:27:29.223 --> 01:27:31.066 Extra details, metadata? 01:27:31.502 --> 01:27:35.862 Yeah. It turns out we're publishing a sneaky video version of the show. 01:27:35.862 --> 01:27:38.282 And it's hidden inside the RSS feed. 01:27:38.902 --> 01:27:42.762 If you can find the MP4 file, you could watch a video version of the show. How about that? 01:27:43.536 --> 01:27:47.112 Yeah. Also, like, what if you want to know what was said? Or search across multiple 01:27:47.112 --> 01:27:50.410 episodes? Or maybe you want to go right to a particular segment, even. 01:27:50.514 --> 01:27:52.562 Okay, well, we have cloud chapters. 01:27:52.562 --> 01:27:52.972 All right. 01:27:52.972 --> 01:27:54.332 Yeah, they live in the cloud. 01:27:54.332 --> 01:27:57.190 That's a JSON file, which turns out structured data real easy. 01:27:57.602 --> 01:28:01.102 Great. Okay, so we've got structured data that tells you what's in the show and where. 01:28:01.102 --> 01:28:04.692 And if you want, like, all of the words, not just the sounds, 01:28:04.692 --> 01:28:07.382 but the words, we've got two options for you. 01:28:07.382 --> 01:28:08.340 Oh, what we do? Yeah. 01:28:08.584 --> 01:28:13.992 You've got your SRT, traditional option. Oh. Or if you're fancy and modern, you've got your WebVTT. 01:28:13.992 --> 01:28:17.112 Oh, I do like the WebVTT. Not really. But I like it. 01:28:17.112 --> 01:28:19.342 That one has extra features, like diarization. 01:28:19.342 --> 01:28:24.092 That is nice. I do like that. So that is packaged up with every single episode. 01:28:24.092 --> 01:28:27.574 We try to make sure our members have accessed all of that for our member special as well. 01:28:27.887 --> 01:28:30.682 And then don't forget, we are live. And that's kind of a unique thing. 01:28:31.062 --> 01:28:34.422 I think more podcasts should do it. 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