WEBVTT 00:00:11.355 --> 00:00:16.071 Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris. 00:00:16.071 --> 00:00:16.971 My name is Wes. 00:00:16.971 --> 00:00:18.036 And my name is Brent. 00:00:18.593 --> 00:00:21.501 Hello, gentlemen. Coming up on the show today, we're going to take a look at 00:00:21.501 --> 00:00:22.911 a handy tool that Brent's been 00:00:22.911 --> 00:00:26.571 using to crank out a great-looking static site in really just minutes. 00:00:26.571 --> 00:00:29.431 How it works, what it does, and why we're starting to like it. 00:00:29.431 --> 00:00:31.370 Then we're going to round out the show with some great boosts, 00:00:31.817 --> 00:00:35.421 some really great picks, and a lot more. So before we get to that, 00:00:35.421 --> 00:00:37.211 and man, you're going to want to stay around just for the picks, 00:00:37.211 --> 00:00:39.079 let me tell you what. I'm excited. 00:00:39.497 --> 00:00:42.847 Let's say hello to our virtual lug. 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I hate to say it. 00:02:10.289 --> 00:02:13.015 I really hate to say it because we love Texas Linux Fest. 00:02:13.015 --> 00:02:13.691 We sure do. 00:02:14.312 --> 00:02:20.018 But the funding is getting tighter, right? Because energy costs are up and housing costs are up. 00:02:20.523 --> 00:02:24.511 And so even though we could maybe afford a flight, we couldn't afford anything else about it. 00:02:25.220 --> 00:02:27.629 And that's really just the reality of it. It's very expensive. 00:02:28.110 --> 00:02:32.515 And there also really isn't any great economic incentive for a sponsor to send 00:02:32.515 --> 00:02:35.703 us because it's kind of expensive to send us down to cover an event. 00:02:36.667 --> 00:02:38.695 And there's not a direct return for them. It's not like we're going to spend 00:02:38.695 --> 00:02:42.089 the entire time talking about them. We would plug them, but we wouldn't spend the entire time. 00:02:42.873 --> 00:02:45.875 And really where it does make economic sense is for the events to send us, 00:02:45.875 --> 00:02:48.885 but they don't A, have the budget and B, they don't have people that are organizing 00:02:48.885 --> 00:02:52.532 sponsors to bring us because, you know, we kind of bring publicity for the show, for the events. 00:02:53.368 --> 00:02:56.415 So there's just not really any way to make it work as far as I can tell. 00:02:56.415 --> 00:02:59.275 And it doesn't feel like the right time to go to you, the audience, 00:02:59.275 --> 00:03:02.149 and ask for the money either. I think everybody's feeling tight these days. 00:03:04.095 --> 00:03:07.745 And it just doesn't feel like the right time to say, hey, send us to Texas Linux 00:03:07.745 --> 00:03:12.917 Fest. And it's really kind of makes me a little sad, not because we can't ask, but because... 00:03:13.886 --> 00:03:18.782 It's like if a tree falls in the forest, in a sense. Texas Linux Fest is special. 00:03:18.782 --> 00:03:22.652 It's very special to the Linux community in the sense that very few tech communities 00:03:22.652 --> 00:03:24.347 have these types of grassroots events still. 00:03:25.316 --> 00:03:28.192 But nobody really covers them. And once the weekend is over, 00:03:28.192 --> 00:03:30.698 it can kind of feel like it just never really happened to the rest of the world. 00:03:31.557 --> 00:03:33.031 Which is sort of the hard part about it. 00:03:33.200 --> 00:03:37.272 Yeah. Yeah, it's easy. If you weren't there, you didn't make the connections, 00:03:37.272 --> 00:03:39.452 you didn't see that one random talk you didn't expect to. 00:03:39.492 --> 00:03:41.472 You don't know that these things are kind of important. Yeah. 00:03:42.112 --> 00:03:45.482 Yeah, and plus there's always something brewing at Texas Linux Fest that ends 00:03:45.482 --> 00:03:47.642 up being really good for us to learn about. 00:03:47.642 --> 00:03:48.223 Oh, for sure. 00:03:48.705 --> 00:03:51.302 Great connections, too. But the economics are what they are, 00:03:51.302 --> 00:03:53.692 and I wanted to say it now because if you're planning to go, 00:03:54.192 --> 00:03:56.894 I just wanted to let you know that it doesn't seem like we're going to be able to make it. 00:03:57.394 --> 00:04:00.502 We think it's a great event, and we think you should go. And if we could make 00:04:00.502 --> 00:04:01.799 it, we absolutely would go. 00:04:02.583 --> 00:04:06.612 But that's just sort of the state of it right now. And I don't want anybody 00:04:06.612 --> 00:04:10.402 making plans thinking we're going to be there and then show up, and we're not there. 00:04:10.681 --> 00:04:14.739 so i wanted to let you know that's currently our intention is we'll try to cover as we can. 00:04:15.116 --> 00:04:18.030 But uh also just a quick shout out to listener big cookie. 00:04:18.338 --> 00:04:18.785 Big cook. 00:04:18.889 --> 00:04:21.525 Who sent us uh some delicious cookies. 00:04:21.786 --> 00:04:24.816 Oh yeah i put that in the feedback but i agree that was we should grab them 00:04:24.938 --> 00:04:28.312 i well we'll grab them for the no no we get it go good go ahead i was gonna 00:04:28.312 --> 00:04:31.302 say we'll grab it for the feedback yeah we've been snacking on cookies and one 00:04:31.302 --> 00:04:34.812 of them brent is a maple shortbread cookie oh Ooh. 00:04:36.012 --> 00:04:37.303 Yeah. That one's for me, right? 00:04:37.901 --> 00:04:44.332 Well, it might have been. We still have a lot of the classic Hermit ones because 00:04:44.332 --> 00:04:47.992 the kids came and they kind of like locusts came in and ate them all. 00:04:48.712 --> 00:04:51.932 It's a really nicely packaged, made right there in Vermont. 00:04:51.932 --> 00:04:53.654 Yeah, covered bridge cookies. 00:04:53.770 --> 00:04:57.982 Big Cook sent them to us and they're just delicious. Just absolutely delicious. 00:04:57.982 --> 00:05:01.122 So thank you very much. That was a nice treat. We got them after the show last 00:05:01.122 --> 00:05:05.357 Sunday and we really enjoyed them. It was a great post-show snack, as it were. 00:05:05.845 --> 00:05:07.952 You know what? Probably be this week's post-show snack, too. 00:05:12.173 --> 00:05:17.201 All right. So, Brentley, you sat down to build a website this week, 00:05:17.201 --> 00:05:19.842 and I can only imagine you must have started it. 00:05:20.840 --> 00:05:23.591 I mean, you must have started at what you had built in the past and tried to 00:05:23.591 --> 00:05:27.939 decide if that was the way to go. Take us there, Brentley. Tell us, tell us about it. 00:05:30.603 --> 00:05:37.270 Well, once upon a time, I woke up and built my website, and that was one day 00:05:37.270 --> 00:05:41.365 in 2012. And for some reason, I never planned this. 00:05:42.150 --> 00:05:43.830 It's just like, what today? 00:05:43.830 --> 00:05:44.150 Wow. 00:05:44.150 --> 00:05:50.000 Yeah, 2012. And I was super proud of this thing. It was meant to be like my 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:54.500 main photography portfolio website, and that it did. 00:05:54.500 --> 00:05:59.010 So I took, I don't know, a whole day to build this thing and I worked on it 00:05:59.010 --> 00:06:01.650 for weeks after that and kept updating it and stuff like that. 00:06:01.650 --> 00:06:07.475 But it was built on WordPress, of course. That was like the modern stuff at the time. 00:06:08.340 --> 00:06:12.220 And it was kind of cool back then. I had a responsive theme, 00:06:12.220 --> 00:06:15.220 so it looked good on mobile and everything. And that was the big thing back 00:06:15.220 --> 00:06:20.501 then, right? And really cool photo galleries that showcased. 00:06:20.746 --> 00:06:23.450 Just plugging away, you know, plugging a photo gallery. You got a photo gallery. 00:06:23.654 --> 00:06:27.420 Yeah and like super high quality too if you wanted it there were ways of getting 00:06:27.420 --> 00:06:31.790 like you know the high res stuff for anybody who had a decent internet connection or whatever. 00:06:32.413 --> 00:06:38.270 It's really hard for my like this is all true it's just really hard for my brain to get it's been so. 00:06:38.270 --> 00:06:39.490 Long that i spent. 00:06:39.490 --> 00:06:42.550 With wordpress solely as like legacy. 00:06:42.870 --> 00:06:43.780 Yeah but you're right. 00:06:43.780 --> 00:06:48.020 I mean it was it really opened up a lot of and you could sell easy self-hosting 00:06:48.020 --> 00:06:52.554 yeah it sort of changed the activation potential for even having a website. 00:06:52.729 --> 00:06:55.735 Yeah what was really attractive to me was that um, 00:06:56.350 --> 00:07:00.340 i guess wordpress allowed you to take control of your own website right it was 00:07:00.340 --> 00:07:05.203 the thing that felt like everyday users could just build something really cool yeah 00:07:05.640 --> 00:07:10.110 and being a little bit more technical of course i could host it at like some 00:07:10.110 --> 00:07:15.050 shared hosting and have it be reasonably fast you know and, 00:07:16.424 --> 00:07:20.410 enough security in place that it wasn't you know i wasn't getting totally swamped 00:07:20.410 --> 00:07:22.311 with yep bots and stuff like that. 00:07:22.508 --> 00:07:26.110 And then years later too as it kind of went on like there was like optimization plugins you could. 00:07:26.110 --> 00:07:26.775 Do to. 00:07:26.955 --> 00:07:30.350 Make sure it was like cached and you know all the things you would do to a wordpress 00:07:30.350 --> 00:07:33.690 site to try to make it faster reprocess your images yeah yeah. 00:07:33.690 --> 00:07:39.190 Yeah right yeah yeah and so like that was pretty cool back then but it turns 00:07:39.190 --> 00:07:42.670 out i haven't changed that website uh since then, 00:07:43.550 --> 00:07:48.630 and uh it's not so cool anymore so uh the other thing is i don't really do photography 00:07:48.630 --> 00:07:54.950 these days and it's been a while gents uh quite a while so for me this website 00:07:54.950 --> 00:07:57.226 was just getting stale uh, 00:07:57.970 --> 00:08:02.710 and wasn't serving me really any purpose if anything it was confusing folks 00:08:02.710 --> 00:08:06.990 that like associated that url with me because they would go there and be like hmm, 00:08:07.751 --> 00:08:10.415 he never talks about photography anymore this doesn't make any sense, 00:08:11.402 --> 00:08:16.917 So this week, I woke up, and for some reason, I felt very motivated to make a website. 00:08:16.917 --> 00:08:21.987 So I thought, geez, I'm going to tackle this to-do I've had on my list for the 00:08:21.987 --> 00:08:28.254 last, what, four years or a long time anyways. And it turns out I did. 00:08:28.684 --> 00:08:33.513 Made myself a new website. And it was way easier than it was back then. Took way less time. 00:08:34.019 --> 00:08:39.037 When I get those kinds of inspirations, I do try to act on them because if I 00:08:39.037 --> 00:08:43.637 wait like a week, it'll fade and it won't really be did you have that? 00:08:43.637 --> 00:08:47.397 So you kind of almost it's like an artificial time box in a way but it's still an important time box. 00:08:47.397 --> 00:08:50.187 And there's something about the spark too right where you're like okay right 00:08:50.187 --> 00:08:55.097 now this doesn't feel like a project it's not a big task I want to do it I can just do it right now. 00:08:55.097 --> 00:08:55.414 Yeah. 00:08:55.670 --> 00:08:58.347 Whatever I ate that morning just inspired me you know. 00:08:58.707 --> 00:09:04.377 I'm gonna bet that you probably consider going Hugo out of the gate just because 00:09:04.377 --> 00:09:07.907 you have experience with it from working with the community to build the new JB.com. 00:09:08.598 --> 00:09:15.964 Yeah definitely When we built the new JB website, I had on my list to build myself a new website. 00:09:16.301 --> 00:09:23.277 And we had a bunch of amazing community members help us build this website with some really cool tech. 00:09:23.277 --> 00:09:29.057 And static websites seemed like kind of amazing and was new to me. 00:09:29.057 --> 00:09:34.337 So I went into the project thinking, yeah, okay, I'm going to use Hugo because 00:09:34.499 --> 00:09:37.512 I had such a good experience with it, building our website with the community. 00:09:38.151 --> 00:09:42.213 and um it's simple enough that like i don't, 00:09:42.869 --> 00:09:46.474 i could just edit the markdown whenever i feel like it and that's all i need, 00:09:46.950 --> 00:09:52.117 right so that's what i went into this project thinking i was going to choose 00:09:52.117 --> 00:09:55.808 but like vastly simplified from our website because i don't need, 00:09:56.377 --> 00:09:59.567 you know all the features that we have i don't even need a menu or anything 00:09:59.567 --> 00:10:01.404 i was picturing just a landing page. 00:10:02.229 --> 00:10:06.047 The other thing if i were building a personal site today and i'm wondering if 00:10:06.047 --> 00:10:07.273 you thought about this you probably We did. 00:10:08.278 --> 00:10:13.444 I don't think I'd want to go through the expense or hassle of setting up a VPS 00:10:13.784 --> 00:10:15.744 with a database and Nginx. 00:10:16.847 --> 00:10:18.246 So did you think about how to host it too? 00:10:19.354 --> 00:10:24.174 Well, I knew that a lot of people use just static site hosters. 00:10:24.174 --> 00:10:29.144 Like, I guess GitHub does their pages and Cloudflare has some. 00:10:29.144 --> 00:10:31.744 And, you know, a bunch of these are popping up all over. 00:10:32.284 --> 00:10:34.084 So you did consider it. You don't have to tell me what you did yet, 00:10:34.084 --> 00:10:35.214 but I'm curious if you considered it. 00:10:35.804 --> 00:10:39.934 100%. I knew I wanted to do this because I'm spending, I don't know what it 00:10:39.934 --> 00:10:44.344 is, like $150 a month for mail and hosting of my current website, 00:10:44.344 --> 00:10:45.664 which doesn't serve me, you know? 00:10:45.664 --> 00:10:46.624 Yeah, okay, that's a bit much. 00:10:46.624 --> 00:10:48.684 This is a complete waste of money. What am I doing? 00:10:49.104 --> 00:10:50.874 We should be doing more with that box is what I'm hearing. 00:10:50.874 --> 00:10:56.154 Well, exactly right. And so I knew I wanted to not do that. 00:10:56.154 --> 00:11:00.744 And I knew I needed just a really simple website that didn't, 00:11:00.744 --> 00:11:03.924 you know, I didn't need to host photos and all this media or stuff anymore. 00:11:03.924 --> 00:11:06.670 So as simple as possible was my goal. 00:11:07.302 --> 00:11:13.484 And turns out you can go extremely simple these days and it's still really quite effective. 00:11:13.484 --> 00:11:18.274 You know, back in 2012 that you'd have to write an HTML page or something like 00:11:18.274 --> 00:11:22.895 that. So I knew I wanted it to be hosted as simply as possible. 00:11:23.301 --> 00:11:27.964 Okay. All right. So you didn't go with Hugo. I'm hearing the but in the sentence. 00:11:27.964 --> 00:11:31.364 You didn't go with Hugo. So tell us where you did end up. Yeah. 00:11:31.985 --> 00:11:35.956 Well, I started with some explorations. Like, I... 00:11:37.099 --> 00:11:42.154 Well, okay, I'm going to be honest. I used the robot to help me and I used the 00:11:42.154 --> 00:11:47.264 heck out of DeepSeq V4 Flash, but to do some explorations. 00:11:47.264 --> 00:11:51.864 Like literally the opening question was, hey, I think I want to build a website 00:11:51.864 --> 00:11:54.084 with Hugo. Should I? And what are the alternatives? 00:11:54.744 --> 00:11:59.514 because like I have an idea maybe it's the wrong idea right if uh if someone 00:11:59.514 --> 00:12:01.344 definitely knows better than I do so um, 00:12:02.331 --> 00:12:07.484 it turns out even compared to when we did the website a couple years ago there 00:12:07.484 --> 00:12:10.234 are new alternatives that are really really cool that are kind of in the same 00:12:10.234 --> 00:12:14.597 ballpark so the one that kind of caught my eye was Zola, 00:12:15.398 --> 00:12:20.501 and uh one of the main reasons it caught my eye was that it's written in rust of course. 00:12:21.082 --> 00:12:21.884 Oh it is is. 00:12:21.884 --> 00:12:24.794 It uh-huh all right well. 00:12:24.794 --> 00:12:26.556 If you if you hold on do you would you like it. 00:12:26.985 --> 00:12:28.814 I would i vote very much. 00:12:29.156 --> 00:12:29.545 There you go. 00:12:29.789 --> 00:12:33.028 Ah see it just feels like success. 00:12:36.070 --> 00:12:36.910 So Zola. 00:12:37.909 --> 00:12:43.667 Yeah, Zola, which, you know, is a fast static site generator written in Rust, 00:12:43.667 --> 00:12:47.452 they say. I was like, that seems really simple and exactly what I need. 00:12:48.915 --> 00:12:54.797 But the benefit of using a little bit of AI to help here was that I was like, 00:12:54.797 --> 00:12:56.537 well, compare these for me. 00:12:56.857 --> 00:13:02.847 And let's write a little snippet because I want the simplest website to maintain 00:13:02.847 --> 00:13:06.317 as possible and to edit as possible. I was like, give me a markdown file, 00:13:06.317 --> 00:13:07.526 and that's basically all I want to do. 00:13:08.066 --> 00:13:12.557 And so I had to make some snippets side by side. 00:13:13.517 --> 00:13:17.347 Let me compare them. And Zola was just simpler. I don't know. 00:13:17.347 --> 00:13:19.705 It just felt better. And the technology seemed good. 00:13:20.117 --> 00:13:26.015 And the author wrote a note that I thought was really important. 00:13:27.437 --> 00:13:31.019 because they said, I wrote Zola and, 00:13:31.750 --> 00:13:36.977 its Terra engine from an intense dislike of the insane Golang template engine 00:13:36.977 --> 00:13:42.575 and therefore of Hugo that I was using before for about six plus websites. 00:13:43.109 --> 00:13:45.737 I mean, sometimes you need a muse, a motivation. 00:13:46.883 --> 00:13:49.721 Development by spite goes a long way. 00:13:49.936 --> 00:13:54.037 And that quote alone made me go, hmm, all right, I'm going to try something 00:13:54.037 --> 00:13:57.703 new then. We'll see how this goes. Turns out it went pretty well. 00:13:58.742 --> 00:14:05.528 All right. So Zola, Z-O-L-A, and you can find it at getzola.org. 00:14:06.797 --> 00:14:10.247 When I looked at it, a couple of things jumped out at me that seemed like you're 00:14:10.247 --> 00:14:10.997 obviously going to like. 00:14:11.977 --> 00:14:16.076 Obviously the markdown stuff. But it looks like the actual... 00:14:18.166 --> 00:14:22.101 I don't know, size of it is pretty small. You could get down to a single executable 00:14:22.101 --> 00:14:25.933 to build the entire website if you want. I have to imagine that simplicity also spoke to you. 00:14:26.612 --> 00:14:31.641 Yes, and it was available in Nix packages, which also deeply spoke to me, 00:14:31.641 --> 00:14:36.051 because it meant I could just try it without really needing to install anything like that. 00:14:36.471 --> 00:14:39.062 It's such a beautiful... Nix OS is such a beautiful thing. 00:14:39.463 --> 00:14:41.271 It's packaged for several distros, yeah. 00:14:41.691 --> 00:14:47.751 Sure, and I think that's great. But for me, it was like a zero setup trial to 00:14:47.751 --> 00:14:49.431 just give this a shot. Right. 00:14:49.431 --> 00:14:52.851 Yeah. Well, if it's, if it's one executable, you can really just run it on anything. 00:14:53.371 --> 00:14:53.601 Yeah. 00:14:53.601 --> 00:14:54.022 Yeah. 00:14:54.405 --> 00:15:01.081 And I was building this from my cabin, uh, on the other side of a river in like, 00:15:01.452 --> 00:15:04.494 you know, Northern Ontario over a cell connection. 00:15:05.371 --> 00:15:10.341 Oh, so I didn't really have much bandwidth to be downloading like massive binaries 00:15:10.341 --> 00:15:15.843 or anything like that so it helped that it was teeny tiny and i have to say, 00:15:16.621 --> 00:15:20.556 it was super fast like insanely fast. 00:15:21.102 --> 00:15:24.961 Tara you mentioned tara is that like an end a rendering engine that zola uses 00:15:24.961 --> 00:15:26.623 and it's that's the part that's written in rust. 00:15:27.058 --> 00:15:27.821 Well it's all rust. 00:15:27.821 --> 00:15:28.441 That's all rust. 00:15:28.441 --> 00:15:34.241 Okay yeah so tara ends up being a template engine in rust that takes a lot after 00:15:34.241 --> 00:15:38.387 the style of other popular template engines like Jinja and Django's templates. 00:15:38.527 --> 00:15:43.901 Okay. And so you can do things like, I imagine templates and themes and different 00:15:43.901 --> 00:15:45.417 kinds of styles and all that kind of stuff. 00:15:45.685 --> 00:15:48.524 Yeah, and the template comes in right because you ultimately want HTML, 00:15:49.063 --> 00:15:54.151 but you have Markdown or maybe Toml at the front matter of your Markdown. 00:15:54.151 --> 00:15:56.063 And so you need to somewhere to get that content, 00:15:56.905 --> 00:16:00.002 into the actual form. And so the template is the thing that sort of binds those 00:16:00.002 --> 00:16:02.722 and abstracts that together so that you can have one template that knows how 00:16:02.722 --> 00:16:08.689 to render a blog post or a, you know, resume site or whatever. 00:16:08.863 --> 00:16:14.782 And then the building engine, Zola or Hugo or whatever, takes all of your source 00:16:14.782 --> 00:16:18.402 files, feeds them to the right templates, gets HTML out, and then you're done. 00:16:18.402 --> 00:16:23.412 Okay. But Brent, this simplicity that Zola offers, it must come at the cost 00:16:23.412 --> 00:16:25.791 of some features that Hugo has that Zola doesn't have? 00:16:26.487 --> 00:16:32.732 And I mean, yes, I needed so few features actually that that worked in my favor. 00:16:33.232 --> 00:16:36.752 Sure. That often is the case. Like if you just want a quick dashboard, 00:16:36.752 --> 00:16:41.542 I was actually thinking like, I just, I could use Zola to get myself just like 00:16:41.542 --> 00:16:45.492 reports, just render my, you know, cause right now I'm getting them in Markdown. Why not? 00:16:45.492 --> 00:16:46.740 True. Yeah. Make them pretty. 00:16:47.309 --> 00:16:47.532 Yeah. 00:16:48.132 --> 00:16:52.609 So Zola and Hugo are like super similar, which is why I think I felt, 00:16:53.270 --> 00:16:57.442 comfortable trying something brand new um because it was like well like i already 00:16:57.442 --> 00:17:03.446 know the concept of these static site generators so both are really fast at compiling static sites, 00:17:04.097 --> 00:17:10.342 that's great uh hugo's written in go and zola of course is in rust and uh but 00:17:10.342 --> 00:17:16.705 there's that bigger philosophical difference in the templating so zola's got tara as wes mentioned. 00:17:17.210 --> 00:17:20.262 Menus i'm i think one of the things i remember reading is like hugo has support 00:17:20.262 --> 00:17:22.760 for menus and zola doesn't have support for menus. 00:17:23.114 --> 00:17:29.552 Yeah, Hugo's much more mature, and it has like a thousand plus themes, 00:17:30.392 --> 00:17:33.434 and it's well-known, it's battle-tested themes. 00:17:34.425 --> 00:17:39.493 I guess for the show, we don't use that. We want to use something crazy, 00:17:39.493 --> 00:17:41.658 right? And that's your fault. So thanks, Chris. 00:17:41.821 --> 00:17:44.843 I don't know. I mean, it's like if you need a corporate website with certain 00:17:44.843 --> 00:17:48.993 menu navigations and community built things, then Hugo might be the right answer. 00:17:48.993 --> 00:17:53.723 But if you need a personal resume website or a dashboard or something like or 00:17:53.723 --> 00:17:59.921 a link list just for our start page, Zola is perfect in its simplicity and it's really its speed. 00:18:00.043 --> 00:18:03.688 I think that shows up too, where it sort of has a little, like you don't need, 00:18:04.002 --> 00:18:08.173 it has fewer concepts and you don't need as much to get started necessarily, 00:18:08.173 --> 00:18:12.663 right? Like you might just need one global config file and then like a directory 00:18:12.663 --> 00:18:14.468 tree and then you can have a website. 00:18:14.648 --> 00:18:20.173 Yeah. Also kind of timely because Zola 0.23 was released in August, 00:18:21.661 --> 00:18:23.100 September as we record right now. 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:27.713 the developers describe it as one of the most big, large, breaking changes of 00:18:27.713 --> 00:18:29.078 Zola that they'll ever have, 00:18:30.384 --> 00:18:33.809 they moved to Terra 2 the shortcode system was also removed, 00:18:34.274 --> 00:18:37.292 and markdown content was promoted to more first class, 00:18:38.413 --> 00:18:42.453 so like kind of just went through the transitions you needed, 00:18:42.453 --> 00:18:45.779 Brent to be the tool that you needed last month. 00:18:46.452 --> 00:18:51.483 Like I didn't notice any of this so it's all completely by chance You know, 00:18:51.483 --> 00:18:55.093 had I been on the other side of that transition, maybe I would have been really 00:18:55.093 --> 00:18:57.749 angry, but this is somewhere for me. 00:18:58.080 --> 00:19:02.393 It is nice to be on this side. Like, okay, well, clearly they're still investing. 00:19:02.393 --> 00:19:03.723 This is the new shiny version. 00:19:03.723 --> 00:19:08.083 I'll just learn the new API. Yes, yes, exactly. All right. So with that in mind, 00:19:08.083 --> 00:19:09.719 I'm curious to hear what you built. 00:19:18.699 --> 00:19:22.778 All right so i woke up that morning feeling very website-ish and i think i should 00:19:22.778 --> 00:19:28.131 describe how this all went for me uh i described what i wanted and what i found, 00:19:30.354 --> 00:19:34.938 but the process was just like kind of amazing because like i mentioned i teamed 00:19:34.938 --> 00:19:40.008 up with deep seek v4 flash which is super fast super cheap and totally understands 00:19:40.008 --> 00:19:43.427 this stuff uh which is great and I, 00:19:44.228 --> 00:19:47.848 suggested that it just like, go find public information about me. 00:19:47.848 --> 00:19:51.438 There's tons, like take the JB website, I don't know, go scrape LinkedIn or 00:19:51.438 --> 00:19:54.428 something and certainly go take the stuff off my old website. 00:19:55.201 --> 00:20:03.848 and compile it into something that looks nice, right? Like, I could do that, but I want you to do it. 00:20:04.328 --> 00:20:06.497 You just told the bot, hey, do you know who you're working with here? 00:20:07.368 --> 00:20:09.388 Yeah, I'm kind of a big deal. Go look me up on the internet. 00:20:11.368 --> 00:20:14.880 This is an ego-based project that I'm going to need you to get this way. 00:20:15.568 --> 00:20:17.118 Well, isn't that what a website is? 00:20:17.118 --> 00:20:17.666 I mean... 00:20:18.084 --> 00:20:19.568 Also make me look good, no mistakes. 00:20:20.598 --> 00:20:24.928 What was nice, though, is that it just, like, compiled all those things into 00:20:25.328 --> 00:20:28.548 a few different options that I could put on this one landing page. 00:20:28.548 --> 00:20:31.248 It successfully e-stocked you, is what you've just demonstrated. 00:20:31.248 --> 00:20:32.583 Yeah, yeah, 100%. 00:20:32.861 --> 00:20:36.168 See, I noticed he shared the ultimate thing that he built with us. 00:20:36.168 --> 00:20:37.588 He didn't share this part of it. 00:20:37.588 --> 00:20:38.278 No, I didn't. 00:20:38.278 --> 00:20:40.418 There's no brent.json that was shared. 00:20:40.418 --> 00:20:44.098 And for all we know, he's doing the same thing on us, and keeping dossiers now, 00:20:44.098 --> 00:20:46.428 or something with his buddy Deep Freak over there. 00:20:47.333 --> 00:20:49.128 Yeah, your website will be ready tomorrow. That's fine. 00:20:49.128 --> 00:20:51.867 Oh, thank you. Thank you. Okay. Interesting, okay. 00:20:52.122 --> 00:20:56.383 Because this is such a fast and efficient, 00:20:56.877 --> 00:21:02.958 static site generator it like when you make changes to like i was primarily 00:21:02.958 --> 00:21:05.944 making changes to the content itself so it was just a markdown file, 00:21:06.402 --> 00:21:12.048 and i would hit save and almost immediately it would get updated in the browser 00:21:12.048 --> 00:21:17.558 so like the time that's nice at which you could see the result of what you were 00:21:17.558 --> 00:21:19.313 doing it was instant basically, 00:21:19.818 --> 00:21:23.478 And that is not the experience that you have with WordPress, 00:21:23.478 --> 00:21:24.803 if you remember how that goes. 00:21:26.608 --> 00:21:31.388 The whole WordPress experience that I had previous to building this website 00:21:31.388 --> 00:21:36.459 was like, add a thing, wait a really long time for the page to load, and then, 00:21:37.162 --> 00:21:41.938 go to the actual website and refresh it, and then wait for that to load. 00:21:41.938 --> 00:21:45.028 Make sure your browser didn't cache it, make sure the performance optimizing 00:21:45.028 --> 00:21:48.028 extension you use doesn't have cache, and then maybe you need to go back into 00:21:48.028 --> 00:21:49.718 the admin dashboard and clear that one. 00:21:50.142 --> 00:21:52.378 Then clear your browser cache, then refresh the page. 00:21:52.378 --> 00:21:57.028 Oh, you probably have a Clash Clearing plugin that you have to go hit if it wasn't wired up right. 00:21:57.028 --> 00:21:58.518 You've got to do this often, so... 00:21:59.912 --> 00:22:04.100 It describes exactly the process I would go through every time I would change 00:22:04.100 --> 00:22:08.120 my WordPress website, which is why I stopped changing it, because it was such a terrible experience. 00:22:09.080 --> 00:22:13.321 That's why. I love it. I thought it was because you lost it in all your tabs. 00:22:13.760 --> 00:22:20.580 Well, you know, sometimes. So I found that live editing was really nice. 00:22:20.580 --> 00:22:24.953 And because I was on such a terrible internet connection, 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:33.470 building everything locally before I deployed it to the actual website was beautiful 00:22:33.470 --> 00:22:36.586 because it was like as fast as it possibly could be. 00:22:37.167 --> 00:22:41.416 Didn't need the internet really at all. And it was instant. Yeah. 00:22:42.588 --> 00:22:45.846 I don't know. It was even better than I had imagined this process would go, 00:22:45.856 --> 00:22:49.496 which I'm glad because had it gone worse, maybe we wouldn't be making a show 00:22:49.496 --> 00:22:50.297 because it wouldn't be done. 00:22:52.828 --> 00:22:59.396 But the process, like Zola worked so well that the hardest part of the process 00:22:59.396 --> 00:23:02.714 of making the website for me wasn't the new technology I was trying. 00:23:03.468 --> 00:23:06.686 It was the terrible network I was using. 00:23:06.686 --> 00:23:08.263 So, yeah, sure. 00:23:08.623 --> 00:23:12.956 Like i i thought it was probably a good idea to like archive my old website 00:23:12.956 --> 00:23:17.376 and that took freaking forever also because oh sure it's wordpress you got to 00:23:17.376 --> 00:23:19.715 click through stuff images and, 00:23:20.499 --> 00:23:25.356 well exactly and so that was actually the most frustrating part of the whole 00:23:25.356 --> 00:23:28.690 thing was like everything that wasn't the new website, 00:23:29.514 --> 00:23:33.537 right like the downloading of archiving stuff and The technical debt. 00:23:34.676 --> 00:23:42.291 Yeah, exactly. So I ended up deciding to deploy it with GitHub Pages because, 00:23:42.807 --> 00:23:44.756 it was super simple. I know it's battle-tested. 00:23:45.396 --> 00:23:49.706 Another option was Cloudflare Pages, and you can host this. It's such a simple 00:23:49.706 --> 00:23:51.236 website. You can host it any way you want. 00:23:52.296 --> 00:23:56.616 But that got me up and running almost immediately. And I have to say, 00:23:56.616 --> 00:23:59.880 when I switched the DNS to it, it was instant as well. 00:24:00.054 --> 00:24:00.626 Oh, nice. 00:24:00.626 --> 00:24:06.010 And yeah, so it was like in a very short amount of time, in quite a time-blocked 00:24:06.376 --> 00:24:11.866 session, I went from start to finish with a technology that was totally new 00:24:11.866 --> 00:24:15.256 to me and with a result that I'm pretty happy with. 00:24:15.796 --> 00:24:18.516 And now you don't have to pay for that VPS eventually. 00:24:18.516 --> 00:24:20.237 Yeah, exactly. Someone remind me to cancel that. 00:24:21.884 --> 00:24:26.483 And it produces a really nice, clean kind of like bio page that's just super simple. Yeah. 00:24:27.552 --> 00:24:30.819 Really nice links, your face. 00:24:31.226 --> 00:24:32.585 Yeah, my face. Yeah, yeah. 00:24:32.718 --> 00:24:34.777 You know, kind of just what you need if you want to like a domain, 00:24:35.237 --> 00:24:37.624 you know, kind of thing. So with a landing page. 00:24:38.569 --> 00:24:41.827 I like that. It looks professional, you know? 00:24:42.541 --> 00:24:42.977 Wow. Thank you. 00:24:44.777 --> 00:24:46.957 Was that an existing theme? Did you just kind of browse through some of the 00:24:46.957 --> 00:24:49.747 community themes and land on one you like? Or was that kind of a mix? 00:24:49.747 --> 00:24:51.177 Or how did you land on that look? 00:24:51.177 --> 00:24:55.637 I'm going to be honest. Like I asked it to just generate me like a first go 00:24:55.637 --> 00:24:59.027 so that I could be really critical about the themes. And like we would then 00:24:59.027 --> 00:25:00.373 look at options and stuff in it. 00:25:00.756 --> 00:25:04.647 This is the first one that showed up. I was like, hmm, wow, this is exactly 00:25:04.647 --> 00:25:09.617 what I was picturing. So I didn't even have to do like the browsing through 00:25:09.617 --> 00:25:12.047 a bunch of themes and stuff. So it was super, super easy. 00:25:12.338 --> 00:25:15.290 I got to say. And I got lucky. I think there's a lot of luck based here. 00:25:15.760 --> 00:25:20.857 So that's a great example of a nice, clean, simple page. probably really right 00:25:20.857 --> 00:25:23.272 now, you know, very much Zola's sweet spot. 00:25:23.916 --> 00:25:27.388 And so they're not really, Hugo and Zola aren't maybe direct competitors, 00:25:28.630 --> 00:25:34.081 but we decided to do the right thing and try to see if we could make Zola do what Hugo does. 00:25:34.406 --> 00:25:38.537 And so, Wes, you took a crack at seeing if you could get Zola to render the 00:25:38.537 --> 00:25:43.317 JupyterBroadcasting.com Hugo website using the Zola stack. 00:25:43.317 --> 00:25:44.217 Yeah, why not? 00:25:44.217 --> 00:25:44.967 Why not? 00:25:44.967 --> 00:25:49.847 Because here it is a tool that's broadly in the same sort of capability set, 00:25:49.847 --> 00:25:53.397 right? We have a bunch of markdown files and templates and stuff, 00:25:53.397 --> 00:25:54.817 and it turns it into a website. 00:25:54.817 --> 00:25:55.054 Yep. 00:25:55.275 --> 00:25:56.327 We want the same thing. 00:25:56.327 --> 00:25:56.680 Sure. 00:25:56.894 --> 00:26:00.157 And, you know, as we've talked about, like, it has a bunch of the same stuff, 00:26:00.157 --> 00:26:02.572 single binary, markdown in, um... 00:26:04.296 --> 00:26:08.793 Well, let's just see. So if you go to zola.jupiterbroadcasting.com, 00:26:08.793 --> 00:26:12.213 you should see. It is running on my laptop at the moment. 00:26:12.213 --> 00:26:13.783 Oh, my God, Wes. 00:26:14.645 --> 00:26:16.123 So why not be that fast? 00:26:16.643 --> 00:26:18.883 Oh, my God. People are going to crash your laptop. 00:26:18.883 --> 00:26:20.553 Oh, and loaded almost instantly for me. 00:26:20.553 --> 00:26:21.483 Instantly loaded. 00:26:21.483 --> 00:26:23.543 Instant. Wow. 00:26:23.543 --> 00:26:27.843 It actually kind of looks. Okay, so we don't have the menu. Oh, 00:26:27.843 --> 00:26:31.183 but we do have a hamburger menu that does give you everything. 00:26:31.323 --> 00:26:34.523 And you should have the normal menu. I think you just don't have quite enough screen. 00:26:35.743 --> 00:26:38.553 Oh you're right if I expand the browser I do have the normal menu it's just 00:26:38.553 --> 00:26:41.214 because I have it captured for the screen that actually works really well. 00:26:41.493 --> 00:26:43.757 Hey it collapsed was helping me test it. 00:26:43.925 --> 00:26:46.573 And then look if I go into the show I noticed that you're just using the embedded 00:26:46.573 --> 00:26:47.203 player because the domain. 00:26:47.203 --> 00:26:51.402 Difference yeah so we did make some simplification choices there which we can get into chapters. 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:53.873 Did we do that or did you do that. 00:26:53.873 --> 00:26:58.163 No no that's so we tried to as part of this I wanted to highlight some of the 00:26:58.163 --> 00:26:59.963 stuff that was in there that we don't normally show. 00:27:00.283 --> 00:27:02.101 That's a great idea Wes. 00:27:03.175 --> 00:27:06.423 Just because part of a big part of doing it we can get into it but a big part 00:27:06.423 --> 00:27:09.893 of it was dealing with like the data model that we have especially because we 00:27:09.893 --> 00:27:13.323 have like a scraper several scrapers generations of scrapers involved hundreds. 00:27:13.323 --> 00:27:15.223 And hundreds and hundreds of posts. 00:27:15.223 --> 00:27:19.703 Yes um but uh in doing the episode page it was like well what data do we already 00:27:19.703 --> 00:27:23.153 have that we could be put in here that we just haven't yet but i don't know 00:27:23.153 --> 00:27:24.553 what do you think did it does it work. 00:27:24.553 --> 00:27:30.623 I'm i am shocked i don't know if you looked at that i don't know if you could 00:27:30.623 --> 00:27:33.653 tell that's not the Hugo site other than maybe it loads faster. 00:27:33.653 --> 00:27:37.483 There are a couple of pages like the live page and there's a few picks and stuff. 00:27:37.483 --> 00:27:41.893 I should do a little side by side. I should. Cause I can see like a little bit 00:27:41.893 --> 00:27:46.133 of font rendering difference, but I actually prefer the way Zola's doing it. 00:27:46.133 --> 00:27:47.599 It's a little bigger and bolder. 00:27:49.281 --> 00:27:52.567 I'm just toggling between the two right now. It's surprisingly consistent. 00:27:53.432 --> 00:27:55.677 I actually forgot which one was which just for a second. 00:27:55.677 --> 00:28:00.247 Yeah, I did that several times. Well, because I wanted them both up right as 00:28:00.247 --> 00:28:01.658 I was developing on this one. 00:28:01.814 --> 00:28:06.547 Wow, Wes. It's spot on. Were you impressed by this? 00:28:07.007 --> 00:28:14.143 Yeah. Because at first, I mean, it took a little while to do enough to make it work, I guess. 00:28:14.352 --> 00:28:16.287 Like, the actual rendering worked really well. 00:28:16.802 --> 00:28:22.113 But the biggest thing is Hugo's a lot more flexible, right? 00:28:22.966 --> 00:28:25.697 In some of the templating stuff, which we can talk more about, 00:28:25.697 --> 00:28:30.507 but then also in, and this is a trade-off, but in like the types of concepts 00:28:30.507 --> 00:28:33.827 it has and the number of things it can represent and how it understands those 00:28:33.827 --> 00:28:35.707 and the relationships between them. 00:28:35.707 --> 00:28:38.917 Whereas the data model in Zola is a little more constrained, 00:28:38.917 --> 00:28:41.877 which can be really nice because you don't need to deal with all of these concepts 00:28:41.877 --> 00:28:43.997 that you maybe don't need to care about for a simple website. 00:28:43.997 --> 00:28:44.352 Sure. 00:28:44.735 --> 00:28:49.177 But we have grown a website over many years now that also brought over a bunch 00:28:49.177 --> 00:28:53.727 of past history and sort of, so we're using a lot more of those concepts. 00:28:53.727 --> 00:28:55.027 And so- Do you make your own in Zola? 00:28:55.794 --> 00:28:58.772 Not quite in the same way that you can in Hugo. 00:28:59.143 --> 00:29:04.107 So what I ended up actually doing is doing a round of Python pre-processing, 00:29:04.767 --> 00:29:09.777 to sort of take all of the data in the Hugo format and then convert it to a Zola-friendly format. 00:29:09.847 --> 00:29:11.587 That's a little bit of a cheaterade, but I like it. 00:29:11.970 --> 00:29:14.791 Well, there basically was no way around. doing that. 00:29:14.791 --> 00:29:17.223 Right. So if you're willing to pre-process the files, then Zola works. 00:29:18.309 --> 00:29:19.754 And to be clear, there's, 00:29:20.539 --> 00:29:24.397 Like some amount of this was because Zola doesn't offer things. 00:29:24.397 --> 00:29:25.717 Well, we have a lot of weird stuff. 00:29:25.717 --> 00:29:29.740 And then some amount of this is basically we designed the current data model 00:29:29.937 --> 00:29:33.257 knowing we were building a Hugo website. They co-evolved together. 00:29:33.257 --> 00:29:34.767 So it can only tell you so much. 00:29:35.336 --> 00:29:38.424 That's why I'm so impressed. It works as well as it does. Yeah. 00:29:38.831 --> 00:29:41.447 And that's where the Python stuff was. A lot of it was mostly just sort of like 00:29:41.447 --> 00:29:45.547 normalizing, changing some key names, dealing with things like Brent likes to 00:29:45.547 --> 00:29:47.447 put emojis everywhere on the website. 00:29:47.747 --> 00:29:49.732 I was hoping those would break something at some point. 00:29:49.860 --> 00:29:52.567 And one of the differences is there's times where Hugo will, 00:29:52.567 --> 00:29:57.697 by default, sort of just, if it runs into something, it'll just not worry about 00:29:57.697 --> 00:30:00.247 it and move on. And Zola will very loudly err. 00:30:01.007 --> 00:30:02.627 Which, you know, you could argue either way. 00:30:02.627 --> 00:30:04.977 Yeah. You can make both regimes work. 00:30:04.977 --> 00:30:07.687 When a website's like 10 years old, you're like, oh, just build. 00:30:07.987 --> 00:30:10.447 When a website's brand new and you want it nice and tight and efficient, you want to know. 00:30:10.447 --> 00:30:14.247 So there was some stuff that, like, probably want it to be handling that it 00:30:14.247 --> 00:30:15.537 wasn't because it was just skipping over. 00:30:15.537 --> 00:30:19.307 but the flip side was there was stuff it was just dealing with that Zola immediately 00:30:19.307 --> 00:30:22.207 choked on that we had to like iterate through to make that work, 00:30:23.387 --> 00:30:27.986 reasonable things though yeah and so some of that was like well we have tags 00:30:28.265 --> 00:30:31.907 and it wants to kind of think of those as a taxonomy and then it can automatically 00:30:31.907 --> 00:30:36.305 build you right like oh here's all the episodes that have tags and that kind of stuff right but, 00:30:37.947 --> 00:30:41.377 the way Hugo does it and handles emojis ends up being different than the way 00:30:41.377 --> 00:30:45.347 Zola does it and then you have to come up with a different workaround that involves 00:30:45.747 --> 00:30:48.817 perhaps pre-processing so that you can separate those out so they can still 00:30:48.817 --> 00:30:52.017 be displayed as tags but they can't actually live in the full this. 00:30:52.017 --> 00:30:52.692 Is what you get. 00:30:52.820 --> 00:30:54.294 I'm so sorry Wes. 00:30:54.672 --> 00:31:01.057 Yeah so some of this was you know that kind of stuff things we did to ourselves 00:31:01.057 --> 00:31:03.401 but there was also limitations just in terms of like, 00:31:04.874 --> 00:31:09.462 So I think the Zola templating language Terra, I mean, A, it's more familiar 00:31:09.462 --> 00:31:13.681 to other things, you know, like Jinja, that are quite popular out there. 00:31:14.662 --> 00:31:17.860 And it's nicer for a lot of the common stuff that you're going to do, 00:31:18.255 --> 00:31:21.593 but it isn't quite as flexible. 00:31:21.883 --> 00:31:25.972 Now, I have mixed feelings about templates in general, at least in a more general 00:31:25.972 --> 00:31:29.343 programming language environment, and how much logic you should put into a template. 00:31:30.202 --> 00:31:34.972 But when the alternative is some other logic like living in a pre-process or 00:31:34.972 --> 00:31:37.132 whatever, sometimes it makes sense to just have it in the template. 00:31:37.132 --> 00:31:41.214 And so you have a lot more ability to sort of like iterate through and filter, 00:31:41.702 --> 00:31:46.282 and chain access to your content in the template in a way that Terra doesn't 00:31:46.282 --> 00:31:48.081 really offer you in the same way. 00:31:48.922 --> 00:31:51.802 That sounds like the kind of thing that you get when you have tens and tens 00:31:51.802 --> 00:31:53.732 of thousands of users for many, many years. 00:31:53.732 --> 00:31:57.422 Right. So like a big one here, right, is like Zola templates can only loop through 00:31:57.422 --> 00:32:01.952 lists and things like this, not ask questions in a way that Hugo can ask questions, right? 00:32:01.952 --> 00:32:06.492 So like we have some scripts in this setup now that have to figure out like 00:32:06.492 --> 00:32:08.722 for the shows to display on the main page, 00:32:09.274 --> 00:32:13.332 in Hugo, you can just sort of dynamically get the most recent episodes sorted 00:32:13.332 --> 00:32:16.332 through your whole collection or your different collections combined into one 00:32:16.332 --> 00:32:20.013 collection and then filter through that. And you don't really have an easy way to do that. 00:32:21.186 --> 00:32:21.609 Right. 00:32:21.813 --> 00:32:22.828 Zola with Jara. 00:32:23.136 --> 00:32:29.411 So let me flip it around. If we were building JB.com today and we knew we were using Zola. 00:32:30.678 --> 00:32:33.956 We really wouldn't be hitting these snakes, right? Like these would, 00:32:33.956 --> 00:32:36.471 would we be missing certain functionality? We'd still have to. 00:32:36.732 --> 00:32:39.836 There would be some, if you wanted it to have exactly the same functionality. 00:32:39.836 --> 00:32:42.746 So like the pagination is, is, is the result of this, right? 00:32:42.746 --> 00:32:43.037 Okay. 00:32:43.147 --> 00:32:49.811 Where you got, Hugo handles that a little more for you. Pagination is sort of per tree in Zola. 00:32:50.217 --> 00:32:54.306 Whereas we wanted something that was cross tree in Hugo and Hugo can kind of 00:32:54.306 --> 00:33:01.292 just do that, but then it does it by generating like each pagination result is a pre generated html, 00:33:01.931 --> 00:33:05.646 thing okay so for every page you click through yes it's pre-generated uh-huh 00:33:05.646 --> 00:33:09.266 but you can have hugo do all of that yeah whereas we there wasn't necessarily 00:33:09.266 --> 00:33:14.306 as clear of a way to do that given the hierarchy of our data as we have it in zola, 00:33:14.806 --> 00:33:17.986 and so a pre-processing script kind of just goes and figures that out and then 00:33:17.986 --> 00:33:21.056 can just write out oh here's the most recent 80 episodes we'll just display 00:33:21.056 --> 00:33:24.476 those or whatever and then so now it uses a bit of javascript to sort of do 00:33:24.476 --> 00:33:28.964 the pagination versus this like pre-computed step so there's trade-offs there too. 00:33:29.521 --> 00:33:32.166 I mean here's what i'm noticing is a lot of you are talking about the things 00:33:32.166 --> 00:33:36.416 it doesn't do but then you both seem to really like it is that fair do you like 00:33:36.416 --> 00:33:38.286 it it seems like you're impressed by it to a degree. 00:33:38.816 --> 00:33:46.466 Yeah i think um like i like rust more than i like go okay right and i also never 00:33:46.466 --> 00:33:53.723 liked the go templates yeah yeah i would still say the jb site should be using hugo but, 00:33:54.425 --> 00:33:58.706 i think if you aren't using any of the more complicated features if you don't 00:33:58.706 --> 00:34:01.786 need the robust sort of template library or like if. 00:34:01.786 --> 00:34:06.817 If you were going to build fullpane.com as like a bio site for yourself would you use zola. 00:34:07.484 --> 00:34:11.751 Yeah i think if i wanted a static site generating tool i think zola would be my default. 00:34:11.966 --> 00:34:13.800 Yeah or Like reports. Yeah. 00:34:14.195 --> 00:34:16.546 That means I made the right decision. Thank you, Wes. 00:34:16.546 --> 00:34:19.816 I mean, I think I'm going to use it. I think I'm going to use it to review reports 00:34:19.816 --> 00:34:21.375 and just get them in an HTML format. 00:34:22.421 --> 00:34:27.958 Because a lot of the stuff, like, I don't think you'll run into a lot of the limitations. Sure. 00:34:28.092 --> 00:34:31.265 And this is why I wanted to test on the JB site, was to try to figure out, 00:34:31.265 --> 00:34:33.085 like, where will it really break? 00:34:33.085 --> 00:34:34.125 Yeah, it's a great test. 00:34:34.125 --> 00:34:37.902 I think Zola rewards when you can kind of adapt your content to it, 00:34:38.355 --> 00:34:41.229 and Hugo is a little more willing to bend towards your content. 00:34:41.571 --> 00:34:45.665 Yeah, okay. Which is perfect for what Brent's doing. It's because he's starting over again, right? 00:34:45.665 --> 00:34:46.621 Yes, exactly. 00:34:47.353 --> 00:34:51.405 This is a and it's such a simple tool to get started with and markdown is such 00:34:51.405 --> 00:34:56.465 an approachable language that it and it's so common online now that I think, 00:34:57.295 --> 00:34:59.945 this is this is one to keep if you're not interested in a site now it's one 00:34:59.945 --> 00:35:05.289 to keep in your back pocket so it's Zola and you can find it at getzola.org but we'll put a link, 00:35:06.183 --> 00:35:10.065 to several things like the CLI command usage there's some whole CLI set there 00:35:10.065 --> 00:35:13.595 that's really good to have they have some search stuff and indexing stuff that 00:35:13.595 --> 00:35:16.614 you can bolt on which is really nice a bunch of good things in there. 00:35:17.642 --> 00:35:21.705 Nice find there, Brentley. Now you've got to keep it updated somehow. 00:35:21.705 --> 00:35:25.241 But I suppose all you have to do is, right, you just update the markdown, 00:35:25.531 --> 00:35:28.550 commit it, push it, and page is updated. 00:35:29.025 --> 00:35:29.425 Exactly. 00:35:30.505 --> 00:35:34.070 And I've got to give props to Brent. He did make sure he got himself a nice little flake there. 00:35:34.233 --> 00:35:34.695 Yeah, I saw that. 00:35:34.695 --> 00:35:37.845 And what's great too is when you do it with Nix, you can have the build just 00:35:37.845 --> 00:35:41.390 use Zola, and then the output derivation is the static files, 00:35:41.588 --> 00:35:44.835 and then you just either upload that or you serve that behind engine next you 00:35:44.835 --> 00:35:45.685 do whatever you need to do. 00:35:45.685 --> 00:35:46.394 Whatever you got to do. 00:35:46.638 --> 00:35:50.475 You know the only reason I made a flake.next was because I knew Wes would require. 00:35:50.475 --> 00:35:54.752 It makes him so happy and it's worth doing it just it's worth it for how happy it makes him, 00:36:02.924 --> 00:36:05.592 Well, we got some feedback into the show, and Greg the Lawyer writes, 00:36:05.592 --> 00:36:10.562 Hey, Chris Wesson, Brent, episode 682 was a banger. I love hearing your breakdown 00:36:10.562 --> 00:36:14.395 of QuickShell and had to chime in with what I have been building over on my side. 00:36:14.755 --> 00:36:17.721 I put together my own setup called Wintermute OS. 00:36:18.174 --> 00:36:20.810 I call it that because I'm a big fan of Gibson's Neuromancer. 00:36:21.146 --> 00:36:24.912 In the book, Wintermute is an existing AI orchestrate that orchestrates its 00:36:24.912 --> 00:36:27.572 own emergence into a higher state of consciousness. 00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:31.798 It seems to fit given how AI is unlocking new levels of Linux power for us all. 00:36:32.269 --> 00:36:36.882 Wintermute is Nix OS, Wayland, Hyperland, and Quickshell. 00:36:36.882 --> 00:36:37.932 All right. 00:36:38.312 --> 00:36:42.990 Very, very nicely done. With Quickshell, my bar is exactly what I want, where I want it. 00:36:43.205 --> 00:36:46.742 I took inspiration from Ama Archie, Home Assistant plugin, and I have configurable 00:36:46.742 --> 00:36:49.662 panel controls, entities, and I get some sensor readings when I want them. 00:36:49.662 --> 00:36:50.177 Love it. 00:36:50.589 --> 00:36:53.522 I showed off my SingThing panel in the Matrix room in episode 681 as a testament 00:36:53.522 --> 00:36:58.572 to the power of agents in Quickshell. I created that panel during 681. 00:36:58.572 --> 00:37:00.352 Putting the quick in Quickshell. I love it. 00:37:00.660 --> 00:37:05.240 Two custom panels, different apps. Quickshell pulls all my theming to make the desktop feel unified. 00:37:05.611 --> 00:37:09.367 One of my favorite quality of life additions is a custom camera settings pop-up. 00:37:09.756 --> 00:37:13.252 I have a Logi webcam, and without an app running, its settings consistently 00:37:13.252 --> 00:37:15.300 default to less than ideal. 00:37:15.660 --> 00:37:19.412 Quickshell to the rescue. Now, right-clicking on the existing screen recording 00:37:19.412 --> 00:37:24.452 glyph pulls up a panel with a button to instantly apply my defaults to addition 00:37:24.452 --> 00:37:28.860 to direct controls for exposure, focus, pan, tilt, and color balance on the fly. 00:37:29.220 --> 00:37:33.442 This used to be done with external GUI utilities or terminal commands before 00:37:33.442 --> 00:37:35.095 I could even do a call or recording. 00:37:35.437 --> 00:37:40.932 We do this exact thing in studio. And Chris, you hate it every single time. 00:37:40.932 --> 00:37:44.673 It is such a pain in the butt. I should think about this. NixOS pulls QuickShell Plus... 00:37:45.811 --> 00:37:49.769 thinkers, I think, is letting me build a personalized declarative desktop that 00:37:49.769 --> 00:37:50.854 doesn't really feel janky. 00:37:51.179 --> 00:37:54.649 The setup bridges Unix philosophy to my desktop. Instead of a pre-built environment 00:37:54.649 --> 00:37:57.964 that I have to either submit to or alter until it's unrecognizable, 00:37:58.343 --> 00:38:02.644 I can use these building blocks to craft just what I need. 00:38:03.142 --> 00:38:06.365 And now I have a premium desktop experience that works just how I want it to, 00:38:06.742 --> 00:38:08.767 and I can reproduce it across multiple machines. 00:38:09.128 --> 00:38:12.367 Thanks for the great show and keep up the awesome coverage. Cheers, Greg, the lawyer. 00:38:12.715 --> 00:38:16.899 He's also not criticizing Genome says or any of that love it all I agree and 00:38:16.899 --> 00:38:20.799 what a great project winter mute OS kind of took what I was thinking about and 00:38:20.799 --> 00:38:22.659 just ran with it to the next level Greg. 00:38:22.659 --> 00:38:23.399 Yeah it looks really. 00:38:23.399 --> 00:38:25.949 Nice thank you for sharing it's always. 00:38:25.949 --> 00:38:27.373 Fun to see what people build. 00:38:27.692 --> 00:38:29.723 Screenshot of the JB website too gotta love that, 00:38:31.912 --> 00:38:33.283 thank you Greg appreciate the value, 00:38:35.460 --> 00:38:39.419 or the email I guess thank you Greg appreciate the form of e-value he usually 00:38:39.419 --> 00:38:43.981 does boost it he will boost in And he, in fact, is our second booster. So let's get to that. 00:38:48.704 --> 00:38:52.530 However, producer Jeff sneaking in right now with a baller boost, 00:38:52.530 --> 00:38:56.582 66,666 Satoshi's spooky. 00:38:58.921 --> 00:39:01.350 Jeff's been figuring out another way to boost without bolts. 00:39:01.350 --> 00:39:04.980 Experimenting, but swap market, swap market.github.io worked well for me to 00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:08.917 use my liquid stash. Still experimenting. Hope to boost more again soon. 00:39:09.225 --> 00:39:10.299 Oh, well, we appreciate it. 00:39:10.595 --> 00:39:16.870 Yeah. Check out DJ, also the Blockstream app, you know, and if you're on the 00:39:16.870 --> 00:39:20.069 Lightning Network, moving between lightning wallets is ain't no thing. 00:39:20.307 --> 00:39:22.466 Ain't no thing. Thank you, PJ. 00:39:22.658 --> 00:39:23.930 I like he's out there experimenting. 00:39:23.930 --> 00:39:25.050 Mm-hmm. 00:39:25.050 --> 00:39:29.519 Oh, well, it's like you saw the future. Greg the lawyer booths in with 30,000 sats. 00:39:32.021 --> 00:39:33.931 Hello, Greg. Good to hear from you again. 00:39:34.076 --> 00:39:36.330 Short and sweet. Live long and prosper. 00:39:36.330 --> 00:39:36.793 You too. 00:39:39.574 --> 00:39:40.450 Live long and quick show. 00:39:42.110 --> 00:39:45.646 We've got an otter brain here with 10,000 sats. 00:39:51.542 --> 00:39:55.252 As a college educator, I arrived at an AI course policy. 00:39:56.127 --> 00:40:01.627 I am prohibiting use for quizzes and exams, and students are not allowed to 00:40:01.627 --> 00:40:03.855 generate responses to homework prompts. 00:40:04.899 --> 00:40:11.157 I am allowing use for help with finding sources, however, or help with describing 00:40:11.157 --> 00:40:13.102 a concept introduced in class. 00:40:13.514 --> 00:40:18.297 For homework and presentations, I ask for a brief citation of model and prompt. 00:40:18.739 --> 00:40:22.437 I'm curious to see how this is going to work long term. I'm hopeful for the 00:40:22.437 --> 00:40:29.907 strengths of this tooling is that it can help learners to build confidence and ask good questions. 00:40:30.499 --> 00:40:32.067 I think it's a pretty balanced policy. 00:40:32.067 --> 00:40:32.787 Yeah, I like it. 00:40:32.787 --> 00:40:36.497 Pretty thoughtful. I'm curious if you want to share Otter without maybe revealing 00:40:36.497 --> 00:40:42.794 too much, how you will know if they used AI, if you have a system to detect that and if it works. 00:40:43.468 --> 00:40:46.003 I'd just be curious to have any more information you can share. 00:40:46.410 --> 00:40:52.871 You know, what kind of bakes my noodle about this banning AI in schools thing, 00:40:53.892 --> 00:41:01.700 and I'll just quickly address this, is I spent the 90s fighting tooth and nail, 00:41:02.205 --> 00:41:08.759 to get OpenOffice or StarOffice and the Linux desktop on any school system I could get. 00:41:09.229 --> 00:41:14.047 And I came up with every scheme, every way to save money, to repurpose old hardware. 00:41:14.297 --> 00:41:18.848 You know, I did the math to compare the licensing costs on Microsoft Office. 00:41:20.125 --> 00:41:24.084 And over and over again, the school board rejected it for one reason. 00:41:24.281 --> 00:41:28.207 And I listened to this reason for probably five, six years. I mean, 00:41:28.207 --> 00:41:32.287 it started the year I moved into the school district. And the reason was... 00:41:34.069 --> 00:41:38.214 When the students leave school, the applications they'll be using in the workforce 00:41:38.214 --> 00:41:40.675 will be Microsoft Office and Microsoft Excel. 00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:45.024 And if we put OpenOffice on their machines, or LibreOffice wasn't around yet, 00:41:45.024 --> 00:41:49.724 but if we put a StarOffice or OpenOffice on their machines, they'll be learning 00:41:49.724 --> 00:41:52.561 something that isn't in the workplace and it won't serve them. 00:41:52.881 --> 00:41:56.834 And so we must spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to the licensing 00:41:56.834 --> 00:41:59.766 regime so that way the students are prepared for the workplace. 00:42:02.100 --> 00:42:06.464 And yet we are just dismissing that logic now i think otter brain has the good 00:42:06.464 --> 00:42:08.764 balance here i think that's the right way to do it but i'd be curious to know 00:42:08.764 --> 00:42:12.424 how you actually enforce it thank you otter brain good discussion appreciate 00:42:12.424 --> 00:42:13.448 you uh keeping us in the loop, 00:42:13.970 --> 00:42:18.412 hey gene beans here with a row of ducks 2 222 cents, 00:42:18.875 --> 00:42:21.904 i'm so impressed to hear that omicon foundation is sponsoring devs for multiple 00:42:21.904 --> 00:42:26.050 years yes in fact i believe they are now at a total of 12 million in funding 00:42:26.352 --> 00:42:30.862 and they've also launched individual funding and they're already at like $50,000 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.331 in individual contributions from end users. 00:42:34.084 --> 00:42:36.256 So it seems to be getting speed, Gene Bean. Nice to hear from you. 00:42:36.685 --> 00:42:39.820 Magnolia Mayhem comes in with $5,289. 00:42:43.661 --> 00:42:45.711 Well, first we get a boosty, boosty, boost. 00:42:45.711 --> 00:42:47.922 Oh, of course we do. Here you go, buddy. 00:42:50.047 --> 00:42:56.171 And then Mayhem goes on. Some years ago, I promised that my next boost would be from Boost CLI. 00:42:56.771 --> 00:43:02.321 I guess those days have come and gone, but I hope you'll accept this LBCLI boost in its place. 00:43:02.321 --> 00:43:03.363 That's neat. 00:43:03.845 --> 00:43:04.588 We sure do. Yeah. 00:43:05.952 --> 00:43:10.138 I mean, boosting from the CLI is pretty cool, however you're doing it, right? 00:43:10.910 --> 00:43:14.317 That's great. Thank you. nice to hear from you mayhem appreciate the value. 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:21.667 Well thomas english boosted in a row of sticks 11 1111 sets. 00:43:23.391 --> 00:43:28.766 Thanks guys i vibe clanked nixos into every computer to hand out but my phone has eluded me 00:43:29.201 --> 00:43:33.351 i got my nubal flakes going my hermes and trek project across the sardia skillfully 00:43:33.351 --> 00:43:36.401 extracting descriptions from restaurants just liked and the pattern matching 00:43:36.401 --> 00:43:41.617 ones that we should eat at next nom nom nom lm wiki for our holiday habits next. 00:43:42.192 --> 00:43:43.981 There's a lot cooking there. I love it. 00:43:43.981 --> 00:43:47.788 I mean, like he's making his bot an expert on his favorite restaurants, 00:43:48.072 --> 00:43:52.181 making a wiki out of it, and then going to start planning holiday habits next. 00:43:52.181 --> 00:43:53.494 It's like a restaurant DJ. 00:43:53.610 --> 00:43:58.660 I love it. And also, yeah, turning your phone into like a Trek tricorder would be high on my list. 00:43:59.009 --> 00:44:02.201 I just, I don't even need it to actually be a tricorder. 00:44:02.201 --> 00:44:03.293 It just needs to be more like it. 00:44:03.809 --> 00:44:07.861 Just look and sound like a tricorder. That's all I'm asking for is. Oh, it's not a big deal. 00:44:08.041 --> 00:44:08.971 Okay. Shouldn't be. 00:44:09.331 --> 00:44:11.013 No, I'm not asking for too much. I don't think. 00:44:11.942 --> 00:44:16.151 Well, how about a ginkgo salad? Because ginkgo salad boosts in with 10,000 sets. 00:44:18.421 --> 00:44:25.578 Have you seen TryNix.dev? Boot any package Nix packages ever shipped in this 00:44:25.578 --> 00:44:27.928 tab. There's a good blog post on it as well. 00:44:27.928 --> 00:44:31.728 Have you ever seen these websites and you're like, how do they do this? 00:44:31.728 --> 00:44:34.648 It's unfortunately under a little bit of load at the moment as we're live. 00:44:34.648 --> 00:44:37.448 So I don't know if it'll actually load for me. But did you see, 00:44:37.448 --> 00:44:38.476 I saw this before the show. 00:44:38.783 --> 00:44:43.558 I did not. No, this looks great. Oh, it's made by Farid Zakaria. Of course it's great. 00:44:43.558 --> 00:44:47.438 It's not loading for me, but yeah. So you basically can type in a Nix package. 00:44:47.438 --> 00:44:52.208 searches it and you're going to boot it up and try it and it's so cool it's 00:44:52.208 --> 00:44:56.338 really it's really amazing that kind of technology you know run whole computers in a browser. 00:44:56.808 --> 00:45:03.402 Does that mean you could run zola in a browser to make a website for yourself. 00:45:04.395 --> 00:45:06.525 I think that's that's blowing my browser. 00:45:07.222 --> 00:45:10.928 Yeah uh if you haven't checked out uh farid has a lot of great resources about 00:45:10.928 --> 00:45:14.398 learning nix explaining nix concepts just recently a very cool article about 00:45:14.398 --> 00:45:18.198 turning sqlite databases into actual executable files on. 00:45:18.198 --> 00:45:18.488 Linux. 00:45:19.188 --> 00:45:23.012 And I think this is also... Yeah, it's great. I'll include a link to that too. 00:45:24.004 --> 00:45:27.498 And then any Nix package live in your browser is the write-up for this neat 00:45:27.498 --> 00:45:28.996 little tool. Well, there you go. 00:45:29.751 --> 00:45:32.028 Thank you, Ginkgo, because I had not seen that. 00:45:33.118 --> 00:45:39.665 Hey, we got some Fiat boost too. And Blackhost is coming in as our Fiat baller with $250. 00:45:44.698 --> 00:45:48.568 Very nice. Blackhost is just moving the needle. plus one on the AI podcast. 00:45:48.568 --> 00:45:50.188 Thank you very much, Blackhawks. 00:45:50.188 --> 00:45:50.568 Thank you. 00:45:50.568 --> 00:45:51.788 And strong. 00:45:51.788 --> 00:45:52.878 We sure appreciate it. 00:45:52.878 --> 00:45:56.958 Thank you very much. Mobile Home Labber comes in with $10 in fiat. 00:45:56.958 --> 00:45:58.978 Hey, first time, a long time. 00:46:00.243 --> 00:46:03.233 Nice to hear. Freeman was looking at Markdown editors and found Neo, 00:46:03.547 --> 00:46:06.269 a novel writing tool created by a novelist. 00:46:06.913 --> 00:46:12.052 Oh, and they are the author of the Silo series. No kidding. App image release. 00:46:12.052 --> 00:46:12.858 Just thought it was cool. 00:46:13.467 --> 00:46:16.342 But now I got to go take a look at this. So it's Neo, N-E-O. 00:46:16.342 --> 00:46:18.407 It's on GitHub. MIT licensed. 00:46:18.819 --> 00:46:22.742 Neo understands from the moment you install it that you're writing books and 00:46:22.742 --> 00:46:27.539 nothing else. No bloat, no distractions with manuscripts that look like books as you write them. 00:46:28.729 --> 00:46:30.612 Pretty great. Pretty great. 00:46:30.612 --> 00:46:32.200 We're finally getting that novel then, Brent. 00:46:32.374 --> 00:46:35.852 Nice to hear from you. Yeah. Yeah, where is that? Nice to hear from you, 00:46:35.852 --> 00:46:38.312 Mobile Home Labber. Thank you very much. You know, Brent, you should write a 00:46:38.312 --> 00:46:41.712 book on how to go to restaurants with gluten and dairy allergies. 00:46:41.712 --> 00:46:44.842 I'll get right on that. I got to wait for a morning where I wake up inspired. 00:46:46.172 --> 00:46:48.412 You want to take our first member boost there, Wes? 00:46:48.792 --> 00:46:52.174 Yeah, we got two anonymous member boosts here. 00:46:52.894 --> 00:46:56.982 After many months, I finally switched from DMS to Noctalia just a couple of 00:46:56.982 --> 00:47:00.402 weeks ago, having had regular crashes and quick show whenever the screen locked 00:47:00.402 --> 00:47:05.152 oh okay looks like those are fixed in zero three one so switching back i'd have 00:47:05.152 --> 00:47:07.072 missed that update so thanks for the heads up. 00:47:07.072 --> 00:47:10.822 So apparently i jumped on just at the right time like brent's jump on in zola just. 00:47:10.822 --> 00:47:15.196 The right time some good try and stuff luck let's hope that continues yeah yeah, 00:47:15.692 --> 00:47:20.862 okay and then here we go star trek question i am not a diehard trek fan however 00:47:20.862 --> 00:47:25.749 i do enjoy the content i've recently He started watching Strange New Worlds and found it enjoyable. 00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:30.044 For those that are really into Star Trek, how is Strange New Worlds perceived? 00:47:30.712 --> 00:47:35.232 I think, you guys tell me if you think this is wrong. I don't speak for all Star Trek fans. 00:47:36.252 --> 00:47:42.181 But I feel like a lot of long-timers, we would describe Strange New Worlds as best of the new batch. 00:47:42.524 --> 00:47:45.601 Yeah. Best of the new batch. That's a good way to put it. 00:47:45.751 --> 00:47:50.692 It's not like, you don't build a 60-year franchise on this television show, 00:47:50.883 --> 00:47:54.047 right? This is the television show you get after a 60-year franchise. 00:47:54.442 --> 00:47:57.518 And so it's enjoyable, but it isn't representative of what... 00:47:58.302 --> 00:48:04.612 The original Star Trek was written by sci-fi novelists who wrote fantastic novels 00:48:04.612 --> 00:48:09.018 with followings and had entire careers writing sci-fi novels. 00:48:09.273 --> 00:48:12.629 And then Gene came to them and said, hey, will you write for my TV show? 00:48:12.948 --> 00:48:16.292 And these really good sci-fi writers wrote for television. 00:48:16.791 --> 00:48:21.435 And now what we have is new hires that have never worked in TV before or written. 00:48:21.951 --> 00:48:25.232 Their first job is working for Bad Robot. 00:48:25.232 --> 00:48:29.232 And so this is what they're writing. and that's not a judgment it's just a fact 00:48:29.232 --> 00:48:32.504 and so it just doesn't quite hold up in our opinion but it's still very good 00:48:32.747 --> 00:48:36.202 we still enjoy it I'm currently watching it I have not watched the most recent 00:48:36.202 --> 00:48:37.479 episode but I did get through the puppet episode. 00:48:38.892 --> 00:48:42.722 Yeah and of course Gene also himself had done a bunch of previous television 00:48:42.722 --> 00:48:46.116 stuff and westerns and all kinds of storytelling for the screen. 00:48:47.260 --> 00:48:49.882 It's beautiful too I really think the strange I love the sets. 00:48:49.882 --> 00:48:53.652 It does I think it is the closest that feels that got closest to the feeling 00:48:53.652 --> 00:48:56.020 of like I'm watching this and it feels like I'm watching. 00:48:56.258 --> 00:48:59.562 Star Trek And it's the one that probably feels the closest to part of the entire 00:48:59.562 --> 00:49:02.262 universe out of, I think, all the new Trek as well. 00:49:02.262 --> 00:49:03.612 Rather than its own thing. 00:49:03.612 --> 00:49:04.303 Yeah. Yeah. 00:49:05.436 --> 00:49:07.150 Good question. Not that we like talking about Star Trek. 00:49:07.150 --> 00:49:07.967 No, what? No, never. 00:49:08.860 --> 00:49:14.570 Slightly off topic. Amadeus sends in a member boost. 00:49:14.570 --> 00:49:15.263 Hey. 00:49:15.705 --> 00:49:19.720 Thank you. I'm delighted Quickshell is getting funding. I made a resource widget 00:49:19.720 --> 00:49:24.407 that turns different colors based on the CPU, memory, and disk thresholds. 00:49:25.283 --> 00:49:30.090 so now i can play factorio during colmina builds and know when it's time to 00:49:30.090 --> 00:49:35.450 return to work faithfully reenacting the ancient xkcd my code is. 00:49:35.450 --> 00:49:37.280 Compiling amazing. 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.620 You've basically created your own lunch whistle right when the code goes green 00:49:40.620 --> 00:49:42.700 again it's time to get back to work the lunch whistles oh. 00:49:43.220 --> 00:49:43.990 Build's done. 00:49:43.990 --> 00:49:47.730 I think that's so good thank you for sharing that that's actually and color 00:49:47.730 --> 00:49:49.890 coding is such a good way to go you just get it by a glance. 00:49:50.395 --> 00:49:53.470 I was seeing another someone who'd rigged up it started as like a monitoring 00:49:53.470 --> 00:49:56.590 widget for system d service status but then they kind of just put in more and 00:49:56.590 --> 00:50:00.990 more things to like a little green right green light red light yellow light 00:50:00.990 --> 00:50:03.677 sort of setup yeah there's a lot there's a lot to that. 00:50:04.809 --> 00:50:09.267 Unnoticed 92 87 sent in a free member boost. 00:50:09.540 --> 00:50:12.365 I'm not sure how long I've been listening, but how long does one have to be 00:50:12.365 --> 00:50:16.365 listening to be called a long timer? Low 400s, maybe the high 300s first time 00:50:16.365 --> 00:50:19.075 booster relatively new member. Keep up the great work. Well, 00:50:19.075 --> 00:50:20.140 thank you for becoming a member. 00:50:20.941 --> 00:50:24.955 Um, here's, I think people usually go by like, well, I joined when system D 00:50:24.955 --> 00:50:27.655 was the topic or I joined topic eras. 00:50:27.655 --> 00:50:32.105 Yeah. Well, because new people think, oh my God, all these guys do is talk about 00:50:32.105 --> 00:50:36.175 Nix or, oh my God, all these guys talk about AI, But long timers know that we're 00:50:36.175 --> 00:50:38.726 just following where Linux is going and there's eras. 00:50:39.341 --> 00:50:41.483 And there has now been many eras over the show. 00:50:41.738 --> 00:50:43.275 I want to see a map of those eras. 00:50:43.275 --> 00:50:45.695 Right. Because there was a time when like, oh my God, all the show talks about 00:50:45.695 --> 00:50:48.425 is system D. And oh my God, all we talk about is Pulse Audio. 00:50:48.425 --> 00:50:49.285 Or Arch Linux. 00:50:49.285 --> 00:50:53.529 Or WireGuard or ButterFS or, you know, these things. And then it's just, 00:50:53.691 --> 00:50:57.464 it's all quantitative to the actual size and impact and scale it is on the Linux community. 00:50:58.009 --> 00:51:02.728 And so usually what people do unnoticed is they say, I joined during that topic era. 00:51:03.955 --> 00:51:07.014 Or, you know, or like, I joined when Matt was still hosting or something like that. 00:51:07.838 --> 00:51:09.475 During the Arch Challenge. 00:51:09.475 --> 00:51:11.935 Yeah, the Arch Challenge. Thank you very much for being here, 00:51:11.935 --> 00:51:13.707 and it's nice to hear from you. Please do keep it up. 00:51:14.496 --> 00:51:15.845 I'll hear this one's for you, Chris. 00:51:15.845 --> 00:51:16.035 Okay. 00:51:16.395 --> 00:51:19.925 Lawson member boosts in to say, Chris, I know you mentioned that you fought 00:51:19.925 --> 00:51:24.055 with how Bitwarden fills in finding the button and how they keep changing what 00:51:24.055 --> 00:51:24.895 clicking where it means. 00:51:25.988 --> 00:51:29.075 As you are moving to a more keyboard-centric workflow with Hyperland, 00:51:29.075 --> 00:51:31.119 you can use the shortcut Control-Shift-L. 00:51:31.804 --> 00:51:34.875 What? I can use a Hyperland shortcut to do a Bitwarden fill? 00:51:35.607 --> 00:51:36.721 Or is it a... 00:51:38.555 --> 00:51:39.402 That's great. 00:51:39.842 --> 00:51:41.642 Say more. You got to try it out. 00:51:41.982 --> 00:51:42.162 Yeah. 00:51:42.162 --> 00:51:43.012 Let us know how it works. 00:51:43.012 --> 00:51:43.634 Yeah. 00:51:43.843 --> 00:51:45.752 Is it a Bitwarden shortcut that gets registered? 00:51:45.752 --> 00:51:48.612 Either way, I got to look into that. That is great. 00:51:48.612 --> 00:51:50.809 You should write it down on your notebook there, Chris, I think. 00:51:51.262 --> 00:51:53.672 Bring it home with you. You know what? I really have to thank everybody. 00:51:53.672 --> 00:51:54.605 The show really turned around. 00:51:55.942 --> 00:52:00.289 When we sat down to do the show, we didn't even crack 100,000 sats for support this week. 00:52:00.991 --> 00:52:03.252 But things are looking much better. So let's round it all up. 00:52:03.252 --> 00:52:06.012 I want to say thank you to all of you who streamed sats as you listened. 00:52:06.413 --> 00:52:13.239 16 of you did that. And collectively, you 16 stacked 28,789 sats for the show. Thank you. 00:52:15.231 --> 00:52:19.102 When you bring it all together with the fiat boost converted to our local currency, 00:52:19.439 --> 00:52:22.324 or local currency, you know what I'm trying to say, current value for sats, 00:52:23.062 --> 00:52:32.093 bringing the live boost, our bar boost, and all of it, it brings the show to a respectable 491,318. 00:52:33.382 --> 00:52:33.822 Sats. All right. 00:52:33.822 --> 00:52:35.962 Which is way better than we were looking at going into the future. 00:52:35.962 --> 00:52:36.232 Out. 00:52:36.232 --> 00:52:38.385 Yes. Thank you, everybody. 00:52:43.001 --> 00:52:47.920 boost.jupiterbroadcasting.com support the show and keep us going and thank you 00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:52.585 to our members who put their support on autopilot we appreciate you. 00:52:54.304 --> 00:52:58.489 Could I pull I think I want to pull a boost forward here. 00:52:58.733 --> 00:53:00.596 Go for it yeah always welcome alright. 00:53:00.898 --> 00:53:06.088 So Harpo sent in a row of sticks basically 1111 sats, 00:53:07.022 --> 00:53:10.709 and has a great message here in case anyone is interested I've created both 00:53:11.022 --> 00:53:16.189 knives the Home Assistant add-on that connects an LM of your choice with Assist. 00:53:16.815 --> 00:53:20.980 It has local memory, so it remembers things between diff conversions, 00:53:20.980 --> 00:53:25.551 can reason, and can even create automations for you by just speaking. 00:53:26.253 --> 00:53:28.691 Been using it in my house for months. 00:53:29.852 --> 00:53:36.780 And two, Knives on Omarchie plug-in, which allows you to speak to Home Assistant from your desktop. 00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:42.287 Oh, my goodness. Here we go, boys. You know, that's a nice little combo right there. 00:53:43.410 --> 00:53:47.170 Good call. Harpo, thank you for sending that in. We'll link those in the show 00:53:47.170 --> 00:53:49.473 notes as well. Knives, N-I-V-E-S. 00:53:49.723 --> 00:53:53.270 There is something interesting about the idea of an embedded bot in the home 00:53:53.270 --> 00:53:56.270 assistant. It's the personality of the home. 00:53:56.270 --> 00:54:02.310 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. My home assistant is named Rosie after the robot in the 00:54:02.310 --> 00:54:05.190 Jetsons, and I've always wanted to take that a little bit further. 00:54:06.330 --> 00:54:08.580 I think that'd be a lot of fun. Thank you, everybody who supports the show with 00:54:08.580 --> 00:54:11.950 a membership or a boost. We have the 2000s at cutoff. We do read them all. 00:54:11.950 --> 00:54:14.197 And every now and then we do pull one forward as well. 00:54:15.363 --> 00:54:16.790 Now someone's been picking. 00:54:16.790 --> 00:54:22.264 Oh, I am excited. I can't wait to go home tonight and try this on Dylan's Mouse. 00:54:23.628 --> 00:54:29.648 It's called OpenMouse, and you can go to openmouse.app. And this allows you 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:35.624 to configure the DPI, the polling rate, your buttons, if your mouse has RGB. 00:54:36.991 --> 00:54:40.464 All these things that you normally would require, a proprietary Windows app, 00:54:40.464 --> 00:54:45.211 can now be done in a web app. It uses the WebHID HID protocol. 00:54:46.123 --> 00:54:51.254 The downside is it's currently Chromium only. And your mouse has to be on the supported list. 00:54:51.707 --> 00:54:56.386 but there are 117 individual mice with a real focus on gaming mice. 00:54:56.850 --> 00:54:59.190 And something tells me that list will be growing. Yeah. 00:55:00.658 --> 00:55:02.133 Oh, actually it already has. It's 120 now. 00:55:03.824 --> 00:55:04.904 Hey, what are my predictions? 00:55:06.812 --> 00:55:10.324 It worked, Wes. You did it. Oh, the MX Master's on here. Good, 00:55:10.324 --> 00:55:11.421 good, good. I have one of those. 00:55:11.792 --> 00:55:16.584 It's nice. They have a list here with a ton of requests and also you can vote. 00:55:16.944 --> 00:55:20.784 So I guess the developers just see like, you know, Get working on the one that 00:55:20.784 --> 00:55:23.464 has the most votes and keep going. That's a good system. 00:55:23.844 --> 00:55:27.224 It's so cool that you can do this in the browser. Yes, it requires Chromium. 00:55:27.224 --> 00:55:28.839 But any Chromium browser, I believe, will work. 00:55:29.566 --> 00:55:33.606 The actual app is control.openmouse.app, and it is GPL3. 00:55:34.053 --> 00:55:37.584 I know. I was impressed when we were doing our, and you can do it for regular 00:55:37.584 --> 00:55:41.134 old Android too, but our giraffine installs and being able to do that right 00:55:41.134 --> 00:55:44.944 from the browser installer. So more things that can handle these kind of fussy 00:55:44.944 --> 00:55:48.004 device interactions without having to install janky software, the better. 00:55:48.004 --> 00:55:52.774 That's why I genuinely wonder if I could build a web app that rips DVDs with 00:55:52.774 --> 00:55:54.828 like some sort of web-based MakeMKV. 00:55:55.524 --> 00:55:57.906 We'll compile MakeMKV to WebAssembly. 00:55:59.037 --> 00:56:00.518 All right. So this next one. 00:56:01.973 --> 00:56:05.178 I think initially, at first glance, it looks like a finance tracker. 00:56:06.049 --> 00:56:09.938 But I think a lot of people have that workflow baked in. Maybe, maybe not. 00:56:10.966 --> 00:56:15.472 But the thing that still kind of is hard for me to keep track of is not just 00:56:15.472 --> 00:56:19.689 the subscriptions I've signed up for, but like the ones my kids end up signing up through their phone. 00:56:20.664 --> 00:56:23.172 The whole network of subscriptions that ultimately come back to you. 00:56:23.172 --> 00:56:27.792 And on the Apple devices, I can from my phone see they have subscriptions. 00:56:27.792 --> 00:56:30.742 I cannot see what they are. So I do not remember. Remember, I have to go to 00:56:30.742 --> 00:56:34.927 their phone and look it up individually in the settings app on every one of their devices. 00:56:36.117 --> 00:56:41.152 So enter WallOS, an open source personal subscription tracker, 00:56:41.152 --> 00:56:45.262 a self-hostable web application designed to empower you for managing your finances with ease. 00:56:45.562 --> 00:56:46.142 WallOS. 00:56:46.142 --> 00:56:49.902 It simplifies the process of tracking expenses and helps you gain a better understanding 00:56:49.902 --> 00:56:53.381 of your finances. And the big thing here is subscription management. 00:56:53.654 --> 00:56:56.092 Keep track of your reoccurring subscriptions and payments. 00:56:56.649 --> 00:57:00.422 Make sure you never miss a due date or lose track of them. it has automatic category, 00:57:01.262 --> 00:57:04.332 sorting it can go look up the logos for you so that way it looks good it gives 00:57:04.332 --> 00:57:07.972 you a nice dashboard you pull up you can see you got your Google subscriptions 00:57:07.972 --> 00:57:10.935 on here your Netflixes and your Spotify and kind of this one dashboard here, 00:57:11.429 --> 00:57:13.310 and you can dig in give more information, 00:57:13.954 --> 00:57:17.436 multi-currency support if you happen to be paying in different currencies around the world, 00:57:18.370 --> 00:57:23.012 data's all yours like I mentioned the logo search is really nice category management 00:57:23.012 --> 00:57:26.162 I think is really good you do get statistics and graphs you can get perspectives 00:57:26.162 --> 00:57:27.769 on what you're spending who you're spending it with. 00:57:28.001 --> 00:57:30.212 I see it has some notion of like inactive. 00:57:30.212 --> 00:57:31.022 Subscriptions. Yeah. 00:57:31.022 --> 00:57:32.712 They have a demo instance, which I'm checking out. 00:57:32.712 --> 00:57:37.702 Yes, they do. They do. So you can, you go to the GitHub page on the GitHub page, 00:57:37.702 --> 00:57:41.162 which we'll link in the notes. They have a demo that you can go to and the login 00:57:41.162 --> 00:57:43.007 is just like demo, demo. Yeah. 00:57:43.831 --> 00:57:49.601 Oh yeah. Here's the stats page. Okay. Yearly cost fun. Most expensive subscriptions cost. Nice. 00:57:50.066 --> 00:57:50.572 Yeah. 00:57:50.572 --> 00:57:51.712 Some stuff you don't want to know. 00:57:51.712 --> 00:57:52.122 But yeah. 00:57:54.651 --> 00:57:57.992 Especially when you're spending too much money on tokens. and then you have 00:57:57.992 --> 00:58:02.162 like your upcoming you get a snapshot of what your monthly budget and spend is oh that's. 00:58:02.162 --> 00:58:03.522 Nice if you're trying to keep track of. 00:58:03.522 --> 00:58:04.352 Things yeah, 00:58:05.740 --> 00:58:09.015 It's kind of nice. And I like that it's not trying to solve everything. 00:58:09.015 --> 00:58:11.562 That's what I was going to say. You're not necessarily trying to have this be 00:58:11.806 --> 00:58:14.025 categorized every single transaction that flows through my cats. 00:58:14.125 --> 00:58:17.006 It's not like QuickBooks or whatever you might be using out there these days. 00:58:18.040 --> 00:58:20.165 It's just because so many things are subscription-based. 00:58:20.165 --> 00:58:22.905 So what's the onboarding like? I mean, how do you get, does it automatically 00:58:22.905 --> 00:58:25.005 find it? Do you kind of just go plumb it up in the UI? 00:58:25.125 --> 00:58:27.365 Yeah, and then it goes in an API. Gets the logos and things like that. 00:58:27.365 --> 00:58:32.651 Yes. And also, it will support OIDC with OAuth if you want to do that. 00:58:33.138 --> 00:58:36.165 And then they have a tie-in, although it's not really a major feature, 00:58:36.165 --> 00:58:39.419 but they do have an AI tie-in where they'll generate recommendations. 00:58:39.657 --> 00:58:41.175 It can use ChatGipity over the 00:58:41.175 --> 00:58:45.555 API, Gemini, or if you've got local llamas going, it can use that as well. 00:58:46.530 --> 00:58:50.595 The fact it even has an API is really brilliant because a lot of these types 00:58:50.595 --> 00:58:51.585 of tools just don't even... 00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:59.545 And GPL3. I mean, come on. Is that some banger picks or what? 00:58:59.545 --> 00:59:02.395 Mostly PHP. Haven't had one of those for a minute, so that's nice. 00:59:02.395 --> 00:59:05.698 Wow. Well, it's cool again. php is cool again, 00:59:06.621 --> 00:59:11.845 you know i really think the real unlock though from like a long-term linux user 00:59:11.845 --> 00:59:19.478 perspective is the open mouse stuff that has been the domain of proprietary windows apps, 00:59:20.401 --> 00:59:24.835 for so long and now like so that's one of the downsides that my kids have had 00:59:24.835 --> 00:59:29.495 is all of their friends have fancy gaming nieces with rgb and some of them got 00:59:29.495 --> 00:59:33.532 fans and high DPI's you can turn ups and stuff like that, 00:59:34.356 --> 00:59:39.964 and it's all Windows and now I'm going to just say go over there if your mouse is supported. 00:59:40.156 --> 00:59:43.705 It is pretty funny we got to the like actually the games run just great but, 00:59:44.205 --> 00:59:46.518 we can't really deal with your gaming peripherals. 00:59:46.895 --> 00:59:49.374 Especially weird esoteric Mies made for Windows users, 00:59:50.633 --> 00:59:54.777 All right, links to all of that will be at linuxunplugged.com slash 683. 00:59:55.515 --> 00:59:59.099 Find the whole back catalog over there. You can become a long-timer just by 00:59:59.099 --> 01:00:00.077 listening to the back catalog. 01:00:00.722 --> 01:00:04.263 Jump in the time machine, go back, automatically become a long-timer. 01:00:04.716 --> 01:00:06.527 And we also, we haven't mentioned this for a while. 01:00:07.456 --> 01:00:10.179 Two things before we go. Number one, we do love time travel boost. 01:00:10.179 --> 01:00:13.699 So if you're in the back catalog, we always like it when you check in. It's just fun for us. 01:00:13.699 --> 01:00:17.169 Yeah, that's right. We have zip code boost. That's sort of a spatial domain 01:00:17.169 --> 01:00:18.936 boost. And then we have a time domain boost. 01:00:19.638 --> 01:00:23.667 And then I'm going to make an ask that I don't think we've made for at least five years. 01:00:23.910 --> 01:00:26.939 And I'm going to say, if you've made it this far in the podcast and you're listening 01:00:26.939 --> 01:00:31.097 on Apple Podcasts, go give us a nice review if you would. 01:00:31.567 --> 01:00:34.379 We've had one recently and it was actually really nice because for years now 01:00:34.379 --> 01:00:35.569 we've been taking it in the pants. 01:00:35.569 --> 01:00:38.899 We're talking about Knicks or talking about whatever. 01:00:38.899 --> 01:00:42.709 I think one person dinged it because we talked about immutable distributions 01:00:42.709 --> 01:00:44.729 and others said, you know, it's like random stuff. 01:00:44.729 --> 01:00:47.699 maybe talk about whatever was that's whatever personal pet peeves are, 01:00:48.309 --> 01:00:53.509 a lot of people go get squeaky on the uh apple podcast ratings we're not apple 01:00:53.509 --> 01:00:57.049 podcast users so we can't do anything about it but if you're using apple podcast 01:00:57.049 --> 01:01:00.325 out there and could give us a nice review and rating it helps other people find the show, 01:01:00.935 --> 01:01:03.738 and i don't think i've asked in like five years so i'm putting it out there 01:01:04.139 --> 01:01:07.349 we'd really appreciate it anything else they should know before we go wes any 01:01:07.598 --> 01:01:12.559 hot tips extra information around the show metadata oh metadata yeah. 01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:17.999 Okay well how about xml you like xml site i put um i put json inside the xml. 01:01:17.999 --> 01:01:18.929 For you now you're talking. 01:01:18.929 --> 01:01:26.313 Yep i also put text files vtt srt and uh mpeg not just level three but level four. 01:01:26.568 --> 01:01:28.659 It's like the podcast was ready for the agentic era. 01:01:29.219 --> 01:01:33.801 It's got all that data sitting there at the item level just packaged up between a lot of you know. 01:01:34.266 --> 01:01:34.819 Structured little. 01:01:34.819 --> 01:01:36.179 Alligators open and closes. 01:01:36.179 --> 01:01:37.029 Yeah a lot of alligators a. 01:01:37.029 --> 01:01:37.899 Lot of alligators. 01:01:37.899 --> 01:01:41.708 But don't worry they can navigate that now for you the human you should join us live. 01:01:45.278 --> 01:01:50.036 Make it just a Tuesday on a Sunday experience. Hang out in the mumble room, 01:01:50.036 --> 01:01:51.994 the chat room, get extra show. 01:01:52.813 --> 01:01:55.640 And then when you can't do that, become a member and you get the bootleg. 01:01:56.052 --> 01:01:57.880 Clocking in an hour 43-ish right now. 01:01:58.641 --> 01:02:01.306 Lots of content in there for them, just for them. Either way, 01:02:01.306 --> 01:02:02.582 we just really appreciate you listening. 01:02:03.163 --> 01:02:06.986 Shows clocking in on like 13 years or something like that. You don't get there 01:02:06.986 --> 01:02:08.763 without a great audience and a great community. 01:02:09.210 --> 01:02:12.659 Regardless if they're in the live room or not, we really appreciate you. 01:02:13.164 --> 01:02:16.686 go get the show notes all that linuxunplugged.com thank you so much for joining 01:02:16.686 --> 01:02:20.876 us on this week's episode of your unplugged program and we'll see you right 01:02:20.876 --> 01:02:26.393 back here next Tuesday as in Sunday.