WEBVTT 00:00:11.321 --> 00:00:16.121 Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris. 00:00:16.421 --> 00:00:17.081 My name is Wes. 00:00:17.241 --> 00:00:17.881 And my name is Brent. 00:00:18.561 --> 00:00:23.341 Well, hello, gentlemen. Coming up, we have just one or two self-hosted apps 00:00:23.341 --> 00:00:28.041 that once you unlock will give you free legal TV, the same stuff you're paying 00:00:28.041 --> 00:00:29.541 multiple streaming services for. 00:00:30.601 --> 00:00:34.801 Turns out we were completely wrong about IPTV, and with just a few apps, 00:00:34.981 --> 00:00:39.461 a little bit of Linux, you can finally unlock something that I've been paying 00:00:39.461 --> 00:00:42.181 $100 at least a month for. I'm going to cut all of that out, 00:00:42.381 --> 00:00:44.861 save $100 a month, and tell you how I'm doing it. 00:00:45.061 --> 00:00:50.261 I'm cutting the streaming cord, and there's some great tools to make it. So it's really great. 00:00:50.501 --> 00:00:53.661 Then Carl's going to drop by and give us an update on Cosmic and their big milestone 00:00:53.661 --> 00:00:58.321 that landed this week. Then we'll round out the show with some great boosts, some picks, and more. 00:00:58.441 --> 00:01:01.341 So before we get to all of that, let's say time-appropriate greetings to our 00:01:01.341 --> 00:01:02.841 virtual lug. Hello, Mumble Room. 00:01:05.072 --> 00:01:08.012 Hello, and hello up there in the quiet listening, too. Thank you for being here. 00:01:08.512 --> 00:01:11.092 Mumble Room's always going on a Sunday when we do the live show. 00:01:11.372 --> 00:01:16.492 And a big good morning to our friends over at Defined Networking. 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If you'd like to join 00:03:05.927 --> 00:03:08.067 us, it'll be Friday the 19th. 00:03:08.187 --> 00:03:12.207 We'll be doing the Holiday Home Lab live and we'd love to have you there. 00:03:12.207 --> 00:03:16.207 But before we get to our end of year shows I wanted to talk about something 00:03:16.207 --> 00:03:19.347 that I think maybe the show didn't pay as much attention to this year that it 00:03:19.347 --> 00:03:23.567 should have and that has been the end of Windows 10, 00:03:24.707 --> 00:03:29.647 and I think we saw more people coming to Linux than we initially expected because 00:03:29.647 --> 00:03:33.527 we have seen these Windows releases come and go over the years and I don't know 00:03:33.527 --> 00:03:38.507 if Vista and Windows 8 didn't convince people to try Linux I didn't think it would be Windows 11. 00:03:39.027 --> 00:03:41.567 Remember when Windows 10 was Can it be the. 00:03:41.567 --> 00:03:43.707 Last one? The one that went forever? 00:03:43.867 --> 00:03:43.987 Yeah. 00:03:44.827 --> 00:03:49.167 So Windows 11 does seem to have finally pushed at least some people to try Linux. 00:03:49.707 --> 00:03:54.447 And we saw a handful of distros this year focus on being a Windows alternative, 00:03:54.447 --> 00:03:56.887 trying to make it easy for people to transition. 00:03:57.387 --> 00:04:01.767 And many of them are trying to replace or recreate the Windows experience, 00:04:01.987 --> 00:04:04.547 while others are going their own route. 00:04:05.167 --> 00:04:08.807 And System76, I think, is a company that is positioned to help those Windows 00:04:08.807 --> 00:04:12.047 users transition that are looking for a full package, hardware support, 00:04:12.067 --> 00:04:13.487 and a Linux environment. 00:04:13.707 --> 00:04:17.947 And you might recall during our recent Texas Linux Fest trip in October, 00:04:17.947 --> 00:04:23.107 on our way home, we swung by the System76 factory to see how things were going 00:04:23.107 --> 00:04:26.187 while they were in the final stretch of development for Cosmic. 00:04:26.367 --> 00:04:32.287 Well, this week, Pop!OS 24.04 LTS with Cosmic Desktop 1.0 shipped. 00:04:32.287 --> 00:04:34.447 It's here. It's available right now. 00:04:34.647 --> 00:04:39.867 It's real. And Carl, the CEO of System76, joins us right now to talk about it. 00:04:43.892 --> 00:04:47.392 Carl, welcome back to the show. Last time we came to visit you, 00:04:47.532 --> 00:04:50.992 this time you're coming to visit us, and it's a big day, sir. 00:04:51.112 --> 00:04:52.632 Congratulations on the new release. 00:04:53.152 --> 00:04:55.252 Oh, thank you very much, and thank you for having me on the show. 00:04:55.412 --> 00:04:56.712 It's always a pleasure with you guys. 00:04:57.332 --> 00:05:00.432 Okay, so let's tell everybody what's happened. This week, Pop! 00:05:00.552 --> 00:05:08.552 OS 24.04 LTS shipped with Cosmic Desktop, and is this considered Cosmic 1.0 or Cosmic Stable now? 00:05:09.212 --> 00:05:14.972 It is. We reached 1.0 after about three and a half years of work and a lot of 00:05:14.972 --> 00:05:16.792 design work that came even before that. 00:05:17.032 --> 00:05:19.572 So, yeah, it's a major milestone. 00:05:20.232 --> 00:05:24.632 I can't tell you the endurance it takes to build something over three years 00:05:24.632 --> 00:05:25.832 and then finally get there. 00:05:26.912 --> 00:05:30.372 It's actually a little exhausting, but it's really exciting, too. 00:05:30.812 --> 00:05:31.272 Oh, I bet. 00:05:32.295 --> 00:05:33.275 Would you do it again? 00:05:33.455 --> 00:05:38.095 Absolutely. I love making things. Yeah. You know, it took us longer to build 00:05:38.095 --> 00:05:39.575 Cosmic than it took to build a factory. 00:05:39.955 --> 00:05:40.375 Yeah. 00:05:40.535 --> 00:05:40.915 Wow. 00:05:41.215 --> 00:05:45.575 Has it been three years, five years, three years? How long has it been? 00:05:45.755 --> 00:05:49.115 Yeah, it was about three and a half years of development time, 00:05:49.815 --> 00:05:50.915 development design time. 00:05:51.115 --> 00:05:54.755 I think the factory was up and running really in about 18 months. 00:05:55.095 --> 00:05:56.075 Oh man. 00:05:56.715 --> 00:06:00.275 Now that was, you know, first shot factory, 00:06:00.455 --> 00:06:03.235 but that's not actually that different than first shot you know 00:06:03.235 --> 00:06:06.595 desktop environment release like there's now you know we didn't have all the 00:06:06.595 --> 00:06:09.695 machinery that we wanted we didn't have all the capabilities we wanted and those 00:06:09.695 --> 00:06:13.835 grew over time but still just to get the point where we're doing the things 00:06:13.835 --> 00:06:18.295 we need to do to ship hardware uh to get all the things we need to do to ship 00:06:18.295 --> 00:06:21.335 cosmic took uh took about twice the time i. 00:06:21.335 --> 00:06:24.995 Bet you probably got more pushback over launching a desktop environment than 00:06:24.995 --> 00:06:26.835 you did trying to manufacture in the States, too. 00:06:27.415 --> 00:06:35.795 You know, not really. No? Yeah, I think... I don't know if we just didn't see 00:06:35.795 --> 00:06:39.355 it, but from my perspective, people were really encouraging. 00:06:39.655 --> 00:06:42.735 I mean, yes, but it also seemed like a crazy endeavor, to be honest. 00:06:42.855 --> 00:06:47.655 I mean, like, who has time to build computers and laptops and support all of 00:06:47.655 --> 00:06:49.935 that and also create a desktop environment? It just seemed... 00:06:50.888 --> 00:06:53.928 Super ambitious it is yeah it's it's ambitious 00:06:53.928 --> 00:06:56.968 but i think like you kind of you run 00:06:56.968 --> 00:07:01.348 up against some kind of limitation and you can either choose just ignore it 00:07:01.348 --> 00:07:06.028 and keep doing what you're doing or you take the dive and do something totally 00:07:06.028 --> 00:07:12.248 new and ambitious and kind of crazy and and that is definitely our mo i mean 00:07:12.248 --> 00:07:13.948 i mean you don't build u.s. 00:07:13.948 --> 00:07:18.088 Factories either i think um the the history with pop i mean from you know cosmic 00:07:18.088 --> 00:07:22.828 sort of starting as customizations on top of GNOME setup and the years now that 00:07:22.828 --> 00:07:26.088 you've spent shipping, you know, a different, 00:07:26.348 --> 00:07:28.988 I would say improved version from this Ubuntu base. 00:07:29.128 --> 00:07:32.168 I think that built credibility that showed like, oh, you guys really can do 00:07:32.168 --> 00:07:34.448 your own thing and it has been worth doing. 00:07:34.528 --> 00:07:39.008 And I think that maybe bought some trust and willingness to wait for Cosmic in the community. 00:07:39.308 --> 00:07:44.728 Yeah, it's a good point. Once you've like bitten off smaller pieces and shown 00:07:44.728 --> 00:07:48.668 what you could do and then you, yeah, you gain that trust over time. 00:07:48.948 --> 00:07:55.188 I'm almost the opposite. I give 100% trust and then it only can get shaved away over time. 00:07:55.808 --> 00:08:02.248 But I understand that, especially when this is something I think we proved what 00:08:02.248 --> 00:08:05.568 we could do in enabling hardware that wasn't there before and that was part 00:08:05.568 --> 00:08:07.808 of what we were doing with Pop! 00:08:07.888 --> 00:08:10.308 OS and then we started. 00:08:11.157 --> 00:08:15.897 We always listen to our customers and what they're doing. So when we came up 00:08:15.897 --> 00:08:18.857 against things that we really wanted to do because we knew they were asking 00:08:18.857 --> 00:08:22.377 for it, we just worked on a new type of user experience inside of Pop! 00:08:22.417 --> 00:08:25.757 OS on top of GNOME with GNOME extensions. That worked really well. 00:08:26.497 --> 00:08:31.037 But our ability to continue to push the envelope, do the things that we were 00:08:31.037 --> 00:08:36.357 hoping to do, and do it in a frictionless way was becoming limited. 00:08:36.697 --> 00:08:39.757 And now the world's always true. 00:08:39.757 --> 00:08:45.437 We could do anything, you know, it was a lot of work getting to the point where 00:08:45.437 --> 00:08:50.337 a customer can go from PopOS 2204 with GNOME that had been around for a very 00:08:50.337 --> 00:08:53.377 long time to a completely brand new desktop. 00:08:53.677 --> 00:08:57.997 And we felt like you could do that without feeling like you lost things and 00:08:57.997 --> 00:08:59.197 you actually feel like you gained things. 00:08:59.817 --> 00:09:03.817 Now, there are some things that are there that, you know, gaps we didn't fill. 00:09:04.457 --> 00:09:08.697 I think our Wacom tablet experience isn't great and that's something we're going to have to do. 00:09:09.337 --> 00:09:15.757 But overall, I think we covered it with a basis that did more for users on the 00:09:15.757 --> 00:09:19.097 whole, for most users that are on PopQuest. 00:09:19.257 --> 00:09:23.977 Carl, remember one of the big questions three years ago when Cosmic was first 00:09:23.977 --> 00:09:25.397 announced that you'd be working on that? 00:09:25.497 --> 00:09:29.357 But also I remember when Pop was first starting out, one of the big questions 00:09:29.357 --> 00:09:35.777 in the community in general was, is this going to dilute the efforts of System76 and their mission? 00:09:35.777 --> 00:09:41.977 I'm just curious how that has showed up for you and the team and how you've 00:09:41.977 --> 00:09:46.497 kind of mitigated that happening, considering that software is quite a bit different than hardware. 00:09:46.797 --> 00:09:51.177 Well, we only ship Linux computers. That's all we do. 00:09:51.357 --> 00:09:55.017 We don't do Windows, we don't do anything else. And so... 00:09:55.961 --> 00:10:00.501 The software that we ship is how we're representing Linux to the world. 00:10:00.881 --> 00:10:02.601 It's not two different things. 00:10:03.021 --> 00:10:07.241 So you can have the greatest hardware in the world and not be doing the things 00:10:07.241 --> 00:10:10.281 that your customers are asking for with the operating system. It doesn't matter. 00:10:10.761 --> 00:10:16.361 You can have a great opportunity to have some terrible hardware and it's not going to work. 00:10:16.761 --> 00:10:22.281 It is kind of shocking that I think we have 60 people at System76. 00:10:22.661 --> 00:10:27.081 And amongst 60 people, we're able to do all this. But I think we have the right 00:10:27.081 --> 00:10:29.121 60 people that can do it at a very high level. 00:10:29.321 --> 00:10:33.761 So I want to kind of shift gears and talk about what end users should kind of 00:10:33.761 --> 00:10:38.661 expect from release cadence and also availability on distros outside of POP. 00:10:38.741 --> 00:10:41.201 So let's take it one by one. So now that... 00:10:42.339 --> 00:10:47.059 We have 1.0. Is this a every six month release? Is this a one month? 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:48.059 Is this every three years? 00:10:48.239 --> 00:10:52.299 What kind of cadence should users expect when they're using pop for a release? 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:54.799 Or is it is it something else? Is it maybe all the time? 00:10:55.439 --> 00:11:00.439 So we're going to adopt the same type of methodology we use building pop OS. 00:11:01.179 --> 00:11:04.199 For everything that we did on top of pop OS, it was a rolling release. 00:11:05.379 --> 00:11:10.859 So popos always has newer kernels newer mesa the extensions evolved, 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:15.959 throughout during the release there weren't you know big drops after you know 00:11:15.959 --> 00:11:18.699 every six months or something like that so we're going to use the same kind 00:11:18.699 --> 00:11:21.179 of games with cosmic and it'll be interesting because, 00:11:21.939 --> 00:11:26.919 I think it'll be the only desktop environment that's using a rolling release style. 00:11:28.059 --> 00:11:32.459 But some of the foundational architectural ways that it was developed enable 00:11:32.459 --> 00:11:34.039 us to do that in a high-quality way. 00:11:34.239 --> 00:11:39.559 So we don't have to break APIs to continue moving forward with the desktop. 00:11:40.199 --> 00:11:44.359 In GNOME Shell, extensions need to be rebased for the new version of GNOME that 00:11:44.359 --> 00:11:49.719 comes out every six months, and that's not necessary for applets in the Cosmic panel, for instance. 00:11:49.999 --> 00:11:53.879 So just some of those fundamental early architectural decisions means that we 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:57.559 will be able to move faster and do so without breaking things as we go. 00:11:58.219 --> 00:12:02.019 We still have things to learn. We learned stuff during the beta period that 00:12:02.019 --> 00:12:07.999 sometimes it's like the compositor touches so many things that it's, it's. 00:12:08.876 --> 00:12:14.436 Almost impossible without wider, even with really extensive testing. 00:12:14.676 --> 00:12:17.996 It's almost impossible to catch everything. So we need some time where the community 00:12:17.996 --> 00:12:23.456 is also helping us with running a testing repo, just to help us with some of those corner cases. 00:12:23.916 --> 00:12:28.196 But I'm confident we'll get that nailed down to the point where we can move 00:12:28.196 --> 00:12:30.336 really quickly and deliver features. 00:12:31.156 --> 00:12:36.916 Just as an example, when we finished HDR, why wait four months to get HDR? 00:12:37.476 --> 00:12:44.316 How about we just ship HDR? You take that frosted glass in the compositor and in the UI. 00:12:44.516 --> 00:12:48.516 When we have that ready, if it's been fully QA'd, it's been fully tested, 00:12:48.996 --> 00:12:53.256 why wait up to six months to ship it? We can just ship that to our users. 00:12:53.676 --> 00:12:57.936 So we'll continue with that process and continue refining it and do it in a 00:12:57.936 --> 00:13:01.216 way that you can trust a stable release to operate. 00:13:01.396 --> 00:13:03.496 So we're not going to see regressions. 00:13:03.756 --> 00:13:08.136 I'm sure we'll have a couple little ones here or there. But we will forever 00:13:08.136 --> 00:13:12.796 get better at that process because I think moving fast is really, really important. 00:13:13.716 --> 00:13:15.956 And I kind of know the answer to the second part of the question, 00:13:16.076 --> 00:13:18.536 which was it's already available on other distributions. 00:13:18.756 --> 00:13:21.476 That's just sort of inherent to how the community is built. 00:13:21.576 --> 00:13:25.296 There's people that are for the Fedora distribution and for NixOS that are actively 00:13:25.296 --> 00:13:27.996 packaging it. So that part is actually already done, right? 00:13:28.096 --> 00:13:31.056 I think it's pretty close to when you release something, it can be packaged 00:13:31.056 --> 00:13:31.936 up for the other distributions. 00:13:31.936 --> 00:13:35.696 I don't know why, but I was kind of surprised at the uptake and how broad it 00:13:35.696 --> 00:13:38.716 was. It's really across the whole ecosystem. 00:13:39.436 --> 00:13:44.996 I think I had memories of Unity. I think Unity was difficult for other companies. 00:13:45.628 --> 00:13:49.548 Other distros to package because they were using forked versions of GTK. 00:13:50.168 --> 00:13:54.348 So GNOME and Unity on the same system without these forks wouldn't work. 00:13:54.708 --> 00:13:58.528 So that's something we were careful to do to make it easy to package Cosmic 00:13:58.528 --> 00:14:02.608 and make sure that Cosmic wasn't conflicting with other desktop Linux, 00:14:02.848 --> 00:14:08.468 Linux desktop experiences or environments, so they could be packaged and shipped 00:14:08.468 --> 00:14:09.448 alongside those others. 00:14:10.403 --> 00:14:14.363 So I have one question that's just a weird Chris question, if I could say it right. 00:14:14.623 --> 00:14:18.383 And I was wondering, I thought when you told me in the summer that we'd see 00:14:18.383 --> 00:14:22.883 it ship, I thought maybe you'd be kind of aiming, and maybe you were, 00:14:22.943 --> 00:14:27.223 this is my question, for October to kind of nail that Windows 10 end of life. 00:14:27.343 --> 00:14:32.843 And I'm wondering, second part of this is, is System76 picking up some Windows 00:14:32.843 --> 00:14:34.643 users that are not happy with Windows 11? 00:14:34.763 --> 00:14:38.823 And is the timing of Cosmic 1.0, is it kind of related to this at all? 00:14:38.823 --> 00:14:42.083 Is this part of the goal is trying to pick up some Windows converts? 00:14:43.263 --> 00:14:48.243 We always want to show Windows users how much better it can be on Linux. Sure. 00:14:49.083 --> 00:14:53.623 That's always our objective. But the timing was about the product being completed, 00:14:53.683 --> 00:14:58.863 not about Windows phasing out Windows 10. For Microsoft phasing out Windows 10. 00:14:59.263 --> 00:15:02.983 I thought so. But I thought in a weird way, wouldn't it be great if Cosmic could 00:15:02.983 --> 00:15:07.363 just sort of be there, landing at the right time to pick up some of those expats? 00:15:07.363 --> 00:15:13.163 Well, and that's an ongoing thing. It only started in October. 00:15:13.683 --> 00:15:18.903 Now I think they're looking for a new home and it's going to be some time where, 00:15:19.103 --> 00:15:22.503 especially when you think about the enterprise that has these huge fleets that 00:15:22.503 --> 00:15:26.263 they're thinking about how they're going to migrate and what they're going to do. 00:15:26.263 --> 00:15:32.883 And I don't know how viable Linux is, depending on what their enterprise networks 00:15:32.883 --> 00:15:39.603 are like, but those will take even longer before they start making their decisions 00:15:39.603 --> 00:15:40.723 and moving over different platforms. 00:15:40.723 --> 00:15:46.903 Well, I think if they can look at the specs and the interesting details, 00:15:47.323 --> 00:15:49.563 I think you've got a really compelling story here for them, right? 00:15:49.643 --> 00:15:55.243 Because it's a 24-04 LTS base, but with a modern, updated desktop environment. 00:15:55.963 --> 00:15:59.143 That's kind of an exciting combination because the parts that you want to stay 00:15:59.143 --> 00:16:02.303 kind of fresh stay fresh, and the bits you want to be old and reliable stay 00:16:02.303 --> 00:16:05.303 old and reliable, and that's going to be really appealing to a certain set of 00:16:05.303 --> 00:16:07.083 Windows users. So I hope they find it. 00:16:08.121 --> 00:16:11.701 Back to us Linux users, as just people listening to this show, 00:16:12.041 --> 00:16:15.701 what's kind of the number one way they can help you guys out going forward now 00:16:15.701 --> 00:16:18.881 that the 1.0 is here? What sort of necks that you need from the community? 00:16:20.301 --> 00:16:23.201 The community that's built around it, because we've been doing alpha releases, 00:16:23.201 --> 00:16:25.341 I think it's maybe been 18 months or so. 00:16:25.721 --> 00:16:29.401 Between the alpha releases and the beta releases, we have this fantastic community 00:16:29.401 --> 00:16:33.961 of people that are building apps and applets and testing and filing bug reports. 00:16:33.961 --> 00:16:37.941 The thing about computing is that it is exceptionally broad, 00:16:37.981 --> 00:16:43.681 the amount of hardware out there, the age of hardware, how people use their computers. 00:16:44.141 --> 00:16:48.721 And even with all that time, that really helped us to narrow the gap between 00:16:48.721 --> 00:16:52.401 what we see in the lab. And we have 20 years of hardware to test. 00:16:52.601 --> 00:16:58.021 But what we see in the lab and what people see in the wild, that's helped us a lot. 00:16:58.101 --> 00:17:04.021 And there's always more. So I think if I were to ask for something, 00:17:04.181 --> 00:17:07.361 it would be to communicate with us when there's something. 00:17:07.581 --> 00:17:12.941 If you've installed Pop! OS and some particular thing doesn't work, 00:17:13.101 --> 00:17:17.941 we're here to listen and work on things and improve it. 00:17:17.941 --> 00:17:23.281 And so, so instead of like, this is garbage, I'm going to put something else on. 00:17:23.541 --> 00:17:29.101 We're here to, we're here to listen and, and build and, and make the best experience for you. 00:17:29.781 --> 00:17:32.601 It's pretty exciting to just be here. It's amazing. 00:17:33.301 --> 00:17:33.661 Yeah. 00:17:33.781 --> 00:17:38.001 It's massive congratulations to you and the team and Jeremy and everybody that's 00:17:38.001 --> 00:17:39.001 been working so hard on this. 00:17:39.101 --> 00:17:43.421 Everybody's tested it, the community around it. Just a huge congratulations, Carl. 00:17:43.761 --> 00:17:46.481 It's a, it's a, it's a holiday gift for all of us. 00:17:46.481 --> 00:17:47.721 At the start of the 11th. 00:17:47.881 --> 00:17:49.041 It's a cosmic Christmas. 00:17:49.701 --> 00:17:52.461 Ah, there you go. Very good. Thank you, Carl. 00:17:52.461 --> 00:17:54.841 I've been waiting to use that one for the longest time. 00:17:55.241 --> 00:17:55.941 I can tell. 00:17:56.701 --> 00:17:57.861 Look at the door for me. 00:17:59.061 --> 00:18:00.841 It's a cosmic Christmas, everybody. 00:18:01.061 --> 00:18:01.381 Yes. 00:18:07.660 --> 00:18:10.100 Well, as a little something different for the last couple of weeks, 00:18:10.100 --> 00:18:11.780 I've been like in winter, 00:18:12.140 --> 00:18:16.800 full winter hibernation mode here, hanging out with my parents and they do the 00:18:16.800 --> 00:18:22.800 channel flicking and they watch the news in strange amounts of quantity per day. 00:18:23.320 --> 00:18:27.560 But what I've noticed as a change since I've done this with them years and years 00:18:27.560 --> 00:18:30.620 ago, is they're constantly like, okay, we want to, I don't know, 00:18:30.780 --> 00:18:33.020 watch the, I'm so Canadian, watch the hockey game. 00:18:33.140 --> 00:18:35.720 And then they're They're like, oh yeah, that's on channel 675. 00:18:36.280 --> 00:18:39.700 And then my mother's like, oh, I want to watch my cooking show. 00:18:41.232 --> 00:18:45.092 They're just bouncing constantly from like streaming or, oh no, it's on this app. 00:18:45.232 --> 00:18:48.272 No, no, you actually need to, you know, you can only watch that on the computer 00:18:48.272 --> 00:18:51.172 or your phone or whatever. And they're constantly moving around between all 00:18:51.172 --> 00:18:52.112 these different apps and stuff. 00:18:52.192 --> 00:18:54.652 And it's, I don't even sign up to any streaming services. 00:18:54.812 --> 00:18:59.432 They've got like four or something, plus all these other, like they have cable too. 00:18:59.732 --> 00:19:02.332 And like, but they can't get everything that they want with cable because it 00:19:02.332 --> 00:19:06.252 needs packages. You can't just sign up for like just the channel they want to watch. 00:19:06.352 --> 00:19:09.872 You got to get, it's exhausting. And I'm just like watching from a distance. 00:19:09.872 --> 00:19:12.032 And Chris, you watch a ton of TV. 00:19:12.812 --> 00:19:16.832 You got to have a solution to this, right? Please bring a modern solution to these problems. 00:19:17.492 --> 00:19:20.112 I mean, I do watch a fair amount every night. I watch a little, 00:19:20.232 --> 00:19:23.132 you know, with dinner and then usually a couple hours maybe after that. 00:19:23.432 --> 00:19:26.152 So it's, well, an hour. So it's a big part and you're right. 00:19:26.352 --> 00:19:29.292 You also end up doing some, you know, TV for work. 00:19:29.512 --> 00:19:32.852 Yeah, yeah. And it's for capturing clips and whatnot. There's a lot of that. 00:19:33.632 --> 00:19:38.672 And I think I did a little audit and I think it's six streaming services. 00:19:38.672 --> 00:19:42.812 Some of it's because I have Prime and I pay for the Apple crap for my family 00:19:42.812 --> 00:19:43.692 because they all have the iPhone. 00:19:43.932 --> 00:19:47.612 So you get like the Apple TV with that. So some of it's like you got it anyways. 00:19:48.012 --> 00:19:49.432 But if you count all of them, it's. 00:19:49.692 --> 00:19:51.652 How many logins do you have at the end of the day. 00:19:51.772 --> 00:19:51.872 Right? 00:19:52.012 --> 00:19:53.632 How many apps can you use on your TV? 00:19:54.292 --> 00:19:57.452 It's bad. And then you have the different apps you have to pop between. 00:19:58.092 --> 00:20:00.852 And, you know, the promise was is that we could save money and just have the 00:20:00.852 --> 00:20:05.812 content we wanted. And it is so bad that I can understand why people just want to go to pirating. 00:20:06.912 --> 00:20:12.252 But you don't have to go that route. It turns out you can do it legally for 00:20:12.252 --> 00:20:14.952 free using some really great apps. 00:20:15.292 --> 00:20:19.092 And I've heard of IPTV for years. You've probably heard of it out there or at 00:20:19.092 --> 00:20:20.012 least familiar with the term. 00:20:20.152 --> 00:20:25.332 I mean, you could really just describe it as HLS video over the Internet. That's really IPTV. 00:20:27.605 --> 00:20:34.945 What surprised me is just how rich and deep the content is out there and how 00:20:34.945 --> 00:20:38.705 much money I'm throwing away by not just taking advantage of what's out there for free. 00:20:38.905 --> 00:20:43.445 And I think the missing piece for me was I didn't have a clear way to take all 00:20:43.445 --> 00:20:47.585 of these disparate RTMP HLS streams that are all over the Internet. 00:20:48.525 --> 00:20:52.325 That the industry is using behind the scenes to just send content between each 00:20:52.325 --> 00:20:54.725 other over the open frickin Internet. 00:20:55.185 --> 00:20:59.705 I didn't have a way to like bring all of that together and then just sit there and watch it on my TV. 00:21:00.125 --> 00:21:05.245 You know, that last 20% just made it unapproachable. And so I was doing stupid 00:21:05.245 --> 00:21:08.605 things like paying for YouTube TV so I could watch the local news during the 00:21:08.605 --> 00:21:11.865 winter because we have crazy flooding happening here in the Pacific Northwest. 00:21:12.145 --> 00:21:16.465 So I always end up, YouTube TV is almost $100 a month now. It's outrageous. 00:21:17.105 --> 00:21:23.005 So I came across an app called Dispatcher. Dispatch R. And it is a open source 00:21:23.005 --> 00:21:29.185 powerhouse for managing IPTV streams and all of the program data, the EPG data. 00:21:29.345 --> 00:21:35.285 And it gives you a brilliant interface that then produces a playlist that lots 00:21:35.285 --> 00:21:39.145 of different applications can ingest and make it super simple to have a curated 00:21:39.145 --> 00:21:40.945 playlist of IPTV channels. 00:21:40.945 --> 00:21:45.625 And this dispatcher app will also proxy some of the streaming to make sure you're 00:21:45.625 --> 00:21:49.565 optimizing bandwidth and reduce the overall connections that the client might 00:21:49.565 --> 00:21:51.185 natively make to the RTMP stream. 00:21:51.385 --> 00:21:57.165 And it does so effectively that I can watch four channels simultaneously over my LTE connection. 00:21:58.372 --> 00:22:04.132 Is about 4.5 megabits when I'm doing this. And yet I can watch four streams 00:22:04.132 --> 00:22:05.412 simultaneously with this thing. 00:22:06.572 --> 00:22:11.332 Obviously, it has a lot of different backend, like F of MPEG things going on and whatnot. 00:22:11.512 --> 00:22:16.052 But the other thing that I really like about it is it has a video on demand DVR functionality. 00:22:16.312 --> 00:22:19.612 So kind of turning the page back a bit, sort of like YouTube TV offers. 00:22:19.792 --> 00:22:21.692 So I can record the local news. 00:22:22.132 --> 00:22:25.572 And then it integrates with SponsorBlock after the fact and other tools. 00:22:25.792 --> 00:22:31.192 And it can process the video after the fact. and remove the commercials, which is really nice. 00:22:31.192 --> 00:22:35.092 And it's got a nice, smooth web UI that's very intuitive. I figured it out in 00:22:35.092 --> 00:22:38.732 just a couple of minutes. And then it can output the signal that you ingest 00:22:38.732 --> 00:22:42.892 in HD Home Run format, M3U, XML TV. 00:22:43.192 --> 00:22:48.212 So you can pull like the TV guide and the video feed into Jellyfin or Plex or 00:22:48.212 --> 00:22:49.592 other applications that we'll talk about. 00:22:49.992 --> 00:22:53.152 And this dispatcher is a total unlock for 00:22:53.152 --> 00:22:56.512 this incredible world of content that's available 00:22:56.512 --> 00:23:00.232 in every country in every language and there's 00:23:00.232 --> 00:23:03.672 probably a thousand channels that you would find interesting and like myself 00:23:03.672 --> 00:23:06.092 after you've gone through them you'll probably end up with a hundred that you 00:23:06.092 --> 00:23:10.972 stick with a hundred different channels of free content some of its 2k resolution 00:23:10.972 --> 00:23:15.212 some of its 1080p resolution it's really something impressive but there's just 00:23:15.212 --> 00:23:19.732 a few nuances and a few resources you need to make it all work and that's what we're going to get into. 00:23:23.226 --> 00:23:27.686 1password.com slash unplugged. 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I had found a site that if I 00:26:25.831 --> 00:26:30.411 was just like casting a tab, probably would have been the easiest way to do it in a simple setup. 00:26:30.411 --> 00:26:36.731 And if i didn't want to like remix with the my own audio stream in there uh as well but, 00:26:37.371 --> 00:26:40.551 they were really set up for that model i noticed 00:26:40.551 --> 00:26:43.771 after chris kind of tuned me into this dispatcher which 00:26:43.771 --> 00:26:46.711 i've only tried a little bit we'll get into that i've found the local 00:26:46.711 --> 00:26:49.491 hockey game on there i wasn't even looking for that but you know just like 00:26:49.491 --> 00:26:52.051 browsing through and checking out kind of like checking out some of the 00:26:52.051 --> 00:26:56.191 stuff we'll get into so it made me think oh right this is like such a better 00:26:56.191 --> 00:27:00.311 way you know like i don't need to be spinning up i mean obviously i did it in 00:27:00.311 --> 00:27:04.031 i was just having fun but i don't need to be spinning up obs and like inspecting 00:27:04.031 --> 00:27:11.051 the browser console to try to like makeshift uh a proper you know hls m3u m3u8 stream setup or. 00:27:11.051 --> 00:27:14.591 Just like going lazy and like chrome casting some tab to your tv which works 00:27:14.591 --> 00:27:18.171 but like your laptop has to be on your phone and sometimes you lose control. 00:27:18.171 --> 00:27:21.491 It's great in a pinch and it's terrible if you're going to start watching every game. 00:27:21.491 --> 00:27:23.411 Yeah or if you're watching even like a movie really. 00:27:23.411 --> 00:27:26.991 Yes yeah suddenly it falls asleep yeah and then you never get back to where 00:27:26.991 --> 00:27:32.411 it was the seeking somehow you realize doesn't work and yeah um so i set up 00:27:32.411 --> 00:27:36.651 dispatcher uh they've got a docker image uh works totally fine in podman too 00:27:36.651 --> 00:27:39.431 uh so it's really easy to just like start dabbling but. 00:27:40.600 --> 00:27:45.120 And I did find some initial data sources to play with. But I realized there 00:27:45.120 --> 00:27:49.300 were some terms and some structure that I didn't quite understand. 00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:54.640 Because there's the individual streams, which are mostly HLS, 00:27:54.900 --> 00:28:00.320 HTTP streams, shipping little fragments of MP4 files to you, 00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:02.260 essentially, or MPEG-TS files. 00:28:02.520 --> 00:28:07.500 But then those get collected in these M3U files, which also have a bunch of 00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:11.560 metadata in there. Sometimes they have like headers for the connection that you're going to fetch. 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:17.640 So you can pull that into dispatcher. And then that shows like a whole bunch 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.820 of all the possible channels that are in there. 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:25.520 But then you have to create from that, like those show up, I guess, as streams. 00:28:25.800 --> 00:28:28.100 And then inside dispatcher, you have to create your own channels. 00:28:28.280 --> 00:28:34.740 And then totally separately, there's this notion of EPG, which is like the electronic program guide. 00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:39.640 And that has its own XML format. And then I guess Dispatcher now has the ability 00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:41.320 to sort of auto match those. 00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:46.020 But in theory, either it auto matches or you're responsible for like connecting 00:28:46.020 --> 00:28:52.200 the stream, the actual like video stream with extra metadata about how the TV guide stuff works. 00:28:52.300 --> 00:28:55.680 So can you give me the lay of the land here? Because I was I got it to work, 00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:56.760 but I don't think I did it right. 00:28:56.980 --> 00:29:01.700 So, yeah, you kind of have it. So you pull in the various streams and in my 00:29:01.700 --> 00:29:08.440 dispatcher, I have 71 pages of streams and there's 50 streams a page. 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:12.740 So I have everything really that I thought was semi-interesting. 00:29:13.420 --> 00:29:18.500 But I only have 50 channels that I'm actually actively using right now. 00:29:18.760 --> 00:29:22.540 And so what I do is I go through the available streams and I curate them. 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.260 And what's great is you can preview them to make sure they're working in here. 00:29:25.360 --> 00:29:26.500 And then I assign them a channel. 00:29:27.820 --> 00:29:29.300 And this is nice because... 00:29:29.300 --> 00:29:30.760 And is that one stream per channel? 00:29:31.260 --> 00:29:34.660 I think you can do it multiple ways, but I am doing one. So, 00:29:34.760 --> 00:29:36.680 you know, Channel 4 is the Channel 4 news. 00:29:36.840 --> 00:29:41.000 And so that way it sort of maps to what people are familiar with already. 00:29:41.320 --> 00:29:45.260 And so you create from all your available streams, you create the channels you want. 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:51.540 And then you can find... And so let's talk about this because this is an interesting 00:29:51.540 --> 00:29:57.340 bit. is you can find lists of TV streams from different countries, 00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:59.120 different languages, different topics. 00:29:59.380 --> 00:30:01.360 There's a search engine, which we'll link in the show notes. 00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:05.680 There's a GitHub awesome IPTV that just has lists by region or topic. 00:30:05.800 --> 00:30:07.920 So maybe you're really into gardening. 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.700 You can find all the gardening IPTV streams and then you pull them in. 00:30:12.280 --> 00:30:17.620 Now, I think it is worth noting that some places, you know, do have laws around this kind of thing. 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.940 Like many mech notes that in the Netherlands, if you're caught using a legal 00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:25.100 IPTV provider, an illegal one, you can get your ISP disconnected. 00:30:25.220 --> 00:30:26.200 Now, I don't know what makes it illegal. 00:30:27.076 --> 00:30:30.356 Um, cause they're just open, they're just open HLS streams, but I'm sure some 00:30:30.356 --> 00:30:32.696 of them like are in violation of like a local license or something. 00:30:32.996 --> 00:30:37.516 Um, but you can find these streams either through the awesome list or the search engine. 00:30:38.076 --> 00:30:42.676 And so maybe you're a Star Trek fan. You can literally go to the IPTV link search 00:30:42.676 --> 00:30:46.976 and put in Star Trek and we'll show you all of the streams. 00:30:47.656 --> 00:30:53.696 If you're familiar with Pluto TV, a lot of the Pluto TV content is actually just an open HLS stream. 00:30:53.896 --> 00:30:57.016 Now they still have the ads in there, but I mean, you're going to get that either way. 00:30:57.076 --> 00:30:59.556 Yeah, you're not skipping the ads unless you record it because this does have 00:30:59.556 --> 00:31:00.616 some DVR functionality. 00:31:00.816 --> 00:31:03.776 And we should probably note, too, there's a lot of stuff because of the way 00:31:03.776 --> 00:31:06.656 this is put out there. A lot of it's geoblocked. So you may run into that. 00:31:07.116 --> 00:31:10.536 Yeah, the community tends to label them. You know, there's a community out there 00:31:10.536 --> 00:31:15.936 curating them and does tend to label them. And then I'll also link to streamtest.in. 00:31:16.416 --> 00:31:20.036 And you can throw the URL in there and it will test to make sure it's a valid 00:31:20.036 --> 00:31:23.716 URL, test to see if it's geoblocked, and it'll give you all of the details, 00:31:23.816 --> 00:31:26.116 like what resolution it is, what bit rate it is. 00:31:26.556 --> 00:31:29.956 And so you could pass it through that before you throw it into dispatcher. 00:31:29.956 --> 00:31:32.936 It's also the kind of stuff you know just like reflecting on we 00:31:32.936 --> 00:31:36.076 touched on piracy and just you know open culture and 00:31:36.076 --> 00:31:38.776 media and content like i noticed i was able to pull in 00:31:38.776 --> 00:31:42.336 turner classic movies yeah that was one that i know that my dad occasionally 00:31:42.336 --> 00:31:44.936 liked watching he'd find stuff from his childhood on there that he never got 00:31:44.936 --> 00:31:48.636 to see or whatever and it happened to work out that in the cable package they 00:31:48.636 --> 00:31:52.316 moved that one up to a tier that like he wasn't going to pay for anymore they're 00:31:52.316 --> 00:31:56.176 not you know no one this is not funding active development it's not like it's just all old stuff, 00:31:57.422 --> 00:31:59.402 Why not just have it show up for free on the TV? 00:31:59.602 --> 00:32:03.502 And it's to me, it's the 2025 version of cutting the cord. 00:32:03.862 --> 00:32:06.922 You know, I remember when I lived a little bit further south and I put up an 00:32:06.922 --> 00:32:10.242 over the air antenna for the first time and I started getting HD content for 00:32:10.242 --> 00:32:13.002 free over the air. It felt like I had hacked the system. 00:32:13.242 --> 00:32:16.902 I couldn't believe I could watch all this stuff for free and it was in higher 00:32:16.902 --> 00:32:18.982 bit rate than I was getting over my copper cable. 00:32:20.002 --> 00:32:23.062 This feels much like that. Now I'm cutting the streaming services cord, 00:32:23.062 --> 00:32:27.602 and I'm just going directly to the provider's URLs that they're putting out there already. 00:32:28.762 --> 00:32:32.662 And I'll give you – so here's some of my channels. I have every news channel –. 00:32:33.903 --> 00:32:36.883 That exists and all of their iterations i 00:32:36.883 --> 00:32:39.723 have uh nine versions of 00:32:39.723 --> 00:32:42.623 abc news i have all of my local news 00:32:42.623 --> 00:32:45.543 uh then i have classic tv channels classic 00:32:45.543 --> 00:32:51.703 drama tv land comedy central a lot of pluto tv streams in here a lot of auto 00:32:51.703 --> 00:32:55.383 tv channels because i like some of that stuff i mean just have i have everything 00:32:55.383 --> 00:32:58.503 you could ever want like i even i even have like some some crazy wackadoo streams 00:32:58.503 --> 00:33:02.163 because it's kind of fun just to pull in and watch this stuff um and you can 00:33:02.163 --> 00:33:03.903 have international news you You can have local news. 00:33:04.023 --> 00:33:09.403 I could have just about every local news stream that I want in here. 00:33:09.463 --> 00:33:12.343 If I wanted to see what the news is in Denver today and then I want to check 00:33:12.343 --> 00:33:14.243 Chicago, you could do that if you wanted to. 00:33:14.563 --> 00:33:20.523 And that's why Dispatcher is really nice because there are thousands of these. 00:33:20.663 --> 00:33:25.123 And so with this, you can curate it to just like the 50 or 60 that you're actually going to watch. 00:33:25.483 --> 00:33:30.223 Then it will provide you an output URL that you put into an IPTV player. 00:33:30.223 --> 00:33:34.923 And that's the next bit I think we should talk about, is then you ingest this into an IPTV player. 00:33:35.403 --> 00:33:40.963 And for Android and Apple TV, there's some nice set-top TV box versions that 00:33:40.963 --> 00:33:42.083 just let you watch it on your TV. 00:33:42.403 --> 00:33:44.903 And there's some really nice ones for the mobile app as well. 00:33:45.463 --> 00:33:46.563 I know you looked at a couple. 00:33:47.283 --> 00:33:51.663 Yeah, I was looking at a few. I was curious what you used. I was having, 00:33:51.883 --> 00:33:56.303 it might have been my kind of hasty setup too, because I know like the dispatcher 00:33:56.303 --> 00:34:01.043 can do proxying now. and when you get the URL, you can decide if you want it to do that or not. 00:34:01.163 --> 00:34:04.643 I was having more luck not having it do that, but I might have just like... 00:34:04.643 --> 00:34:04.943 That doesn't surprise me. 00:34:05.123 --> 00:34:07.503 And I might have just like, I don't know if I had everything set, 00:34:07.643 --> 00:34:09.303 so it might have been trying to inject local host. 00:34:09.343 --> 00:34:10.863 Did you have hardware acceleration working too? 00:34:11.143 --> 00:34:13.283 I didn't get that far, so I didn't try. 00:34:13.443 --> 00:34:16.943 That was, it's not bad, right? You just have to pass the DRI device through, 00:34:17.543 --> 00:34:19.383 if you're doing it in a container, however you might be doing it. 00:34:19.503 --> 00:34:19.643 Sure. 00:34:19.943 --> 00:34:21.563 But then proxying for me worked. 00:34:21.883 --> 00:34:22.883 Okay, I'll have to try that. 00:34:23.403 --> 00:34:30.403 On iOS, I'm using a new app that I just got called Chilio. And Chilio is maybe not my most, 00:34:31.326 --> 00:34:35.186 like favorite app ever for this job but on 00:34:35.186 --> 00:34:39.846 the tv on on the apple tv experience they let you do quad boxing or multiple 00:34:39.846 --> 00:34:44.966 boxes and so when we were having historic flooding here over the last few days 00:34:44.966 --> 00:34:50.546 in the pacific northwest i brought up four local news stations and i would just 00:34:50.546 --> 00:34:54.506 switch through which everyone was talking about our area and i could kind of keep an eye on all of them, 00:34:55.006 --> 00:35:00.386 and it was an immediate wife approval factor win because it works better than 00:35:00.386 --> 00:35:05.066 youtube tv I can mix and match any of the channels I want. The quality is better than YouTube TV. 00:35:05.366 --> 00:35:07.646 And so it was an immediate buy-in from the wife. 00:35:08.006 --> 00:35:12.006 But then because it's just, at the end of the day, these are just IPTV apps, 00:35:12.126 --> 00:35:15.186 I can also ingest my ersatz TV feed into this. 00:35:15.706 --> 00:35:21.506 So now in one TV guide, I have a mix of remote streams and local streams. 00:35:21.746 --> 00:35:24.386 So when you want to watch the Simpsons channel, you hit that, 00:35:24.526 --> 00:35:25.786 and that's polling locally. 00:35:25.966 --> 00:35:29.406 But for my family, the end user experience is absolutely the same. 00:35:29.406 --> 00:35:32.086 If they're watching a remote stream or a local stream, it's all now in one TV 00:35:32.086 --> 00:35:33.326 guide, all with the program. 00:35:33.446 --> 00:35:33.746 Wow. 00:35:34.206 --> 00:35:37.286 See, okay, I'm curious. I'll have to copy some of this because I was trying 00:35:37.286 --> 00:35:40.746 TV Mate on my Google TV, which is supposed to be pretty good. 00:35:41.206 --> 00:35:45.706 But it was giving me errors when it was trying to parse the stuff from dispatch. 00:35:45.926 --> 00:35:49.706 So I ended up just going the jellyfin route because I already had that installed and set up on the TV. 00:35:50.206 --> 00:35:53.506 That was working well. I mean, it totally worked. I did kind of have the proxy 00:35:53.506 --> 00:35:57.386 issues I mentioned, but I wasn't really getting the full program data. 00:35:57.786 --> 00:35:57.886 Program guide. 00:35:57.986 --> 00:35:58.606 Yeah. So I'm curious. 00:35:59.386 --> 00:36:03.186 So I got a 70, 75% solution to that. You could go all the way. 00:36:04.446 --> 00:36:10.666 But my 70, 75% solution to that is if you go to the awesome IPTV GitHub page, 00:36:10.826 --> 00:36:15.606 they do have a EPG guide information. And they have two options. 00:36:15.986 --> 00:36:17.606 So it depends on which route you want to go. 00:36:18.925 --> 00:36:23.885 You can take advantage of the community built guide, which essentially you drop 00:36:23.885 --> 00:36:27.265 that in Dispatcher and it matches up a lot of the stream names with EPG data 00:36:27.265 --> 00:36:30.545 and just auto matches them. And that worked for probably 70, 75%. 00:36:30.545 --> 00:36:31.525 Okay, that's pretty good. 00:36:31.685 --> 00:36:35.385 Pretty good. Not bad, right? If you are crazy, 00:36:35.665 --> 00:36:42.325 you could download a little script they have here and then ingest your M3U feed, 00:36:42.325 --> 00:36:47.585 and it will go out and custom match and provide program data for your specific 00:36:47.585 --> 00:36:48.945 batch of shows that you're –. 00:36:48.945 --> 00:36:49.645 That is neat. 00:36:51.073 --> 00:36:52.593 So I'll link to that in the show notes as well. 00:36:53.433 --> 00:36:56.853 Other than that, I was kind of impressed. I mean, Jellyfin hooked it right up, 00:36:56.933 --> 00:36:58.753 and it worked pretty darn well. 00:36:58.893 --> 00:37:04.033 I mean, the EPG guide data, it really takes it across the line because now it's 00:37:04.033 --> 00:37:07.133 a no-compromise solution because you have DVR functionality, 00:37:07.133 --> 00:37:10.873 you can have multiple streams, you have content from all around the world, 00:37:10.893 --> 00:37:13.593 it's high quality, and you have program guide information. 00:37:13.933 --> 00:37:20.273 Here's a question we got live from Magnolia Mayhem. Does closed captioning work with this? 00:37:20.273 --> 00:37:24.153 That's going to depend on the stream, but a lot of them embed that data, 00:37:24.313 --> 00:37:25.433 but that will depend on the stream. 00:37:26.333 --> 00:37:29.193 That is sort of a universal disclaimer here, right? Some of these, 00:37:29.433 --> 00:37:32.633 like the TV Land stream, I think is a 582p stream. 00:37:32.913 --> 00:37:35.653 There's nothing you can do about that. You're going to watch it 582p. 00:37:35.733 --> 00:37:38.593 Now they're playing TV shows from the 60s. So for some stuff. 00:37:38.633 --> 00:37:39.033 It may not matter. 00:37:39.073 --> 00:37:42.933 It's probably fine, right? Whereas like Comedy Central here is a 1080p stream. 00:37:44.053 --> 00:37:45.693 You know, so they're playing more modern stuff. 00:37:45.693 --> 00:37:48.773 Right. So you'll probably need, it'll both need to be embedded in the stream 00:37:48.773 --> 00:37:51.933 you're receiving and your player will need support to see that in. 00:37:52.473 --> 00:37:56.833 And I will be honest with you on Android, IPTV clients are a little more hit 00:37:56.833 --> 00:37:58.513 and miss. It's a little more hit and miss. 00:37:59.613 --> 00:38:04.053 There are some really, really good web versions where you can take your URL 00:38:04.053 --> 00:38:06.493 and throw in a web player and just experiment and test with it. 00:38:07.013 --> 00:38:11.333 And there is also OpenTV for the Linux desktop, and that's pretty good at ingesting 00:38:11.333 --> 00:38:13.113 the M3U and the XML guide. 00:38:13.273 --> 00:38:16.853 And then when you click on a stream in OpenTV on the Linux desktop, 00:38:17.053 --> 00:38:20.913 it just opens the stream in MPV or whatever your default might be. 00:38:21.013 --> 00:38:21.413 Oh, nice. 00:38:21.613 --> 00:38:24.513 That is a really good experience. It's just kind of solid, just everything that, 00:38:24.513 --> 00:38:26.453 you know, focuses on what it does best. 00:38:27.453 --> 00:38:31.053 But there is also a different route you could go. There is one other option. 00:38:32.362 --> 00:38:35.562 You don't have to use Dispatcher at all. First of all, you could just go grab 00:38:35.562 --> 00:38:39.022 some of these IPTV streams that we're going to link in the show notes, 00:38:39.042 --> 00:38:40.962 and you could just throw it in VLC. 00:38:41.462 --> 00:38:42.442 Make a playlist, whatever. 00:38:42.682 --> 00:38:45.762 VLC will read that whole playlist of a thousand different streams, 00:38:45.822 --> 00:38:48.742 and you can just go through and watch the ones you want, and you don't have 00:38:48.742 --> 00:38:49.662 to go any further than that. 00:38:49.842 --> 00:38:51.942 And that can be literally as much effort as you put into this. 00:38:51.982 --> 00:38:55.922 You copy that URL from the GitHub page, and then you go to VLC, 00:38:56.082 --> 00:38:58.462 and VLC will paste it from your clipboard for you. It's that easy. 00:38:58.462 --> 00:39:02.782 And in the past, you even found some stuff to like filter through those files, right? 00:39:04.082 --> 00:39:09.202 I think there's an even easier solution. It's called KPTV Fast. 00:39:09.602 --> 00:39:17.482 This is another self-hosted free software, and it is a headless version of Dispatcher. No UI. 00:39:19.197 --> 00:39:25.917 It just has a pre-built set of high-quality IPTV streams, more than I wanted, 00:39:26.117 --> 00:39:29.537 but the community has gone through, and they've curated, like, 00:39:29.597 --> 00:39:31.377 all the Pluto TV streams are in here, 00:39:32.597 --> 00:39:37.837 Plex, so all the free streaming that Plex has, Samsung TVs, Tubi, 00:39:38.057 --> 00:39:41.457 Distro TV, all of the stuff LG TVs have is in here, STIR. 00:39:41.757 --> 00:39:43.757 Yeah, right. It seems like a lot of this ends up coming from, 00:39:43.797 --> 00:39:47.817 like, the TV providers want to have default stuff to play, and so they've set these up. 00:39:47.817 --> 00:39:51.757 And they want them to be decent quality. And they want some stuff that people want to watch. 00:39:51.897 --> 00:39:55.937 And so what this is, it's a tiny little server that you run that comes with 00:39:55.937 --> 00:39:57.437 all of these already built in. 00:39:57.537 --> 00:40:01.237 And then it just spits out an M3U file for you and you plug it into whatever you want. 00:40:01.357 --> 00:40:05.597 And you've got a curated, high-performance little server that does a lot what Dispatcher does. 00:40:05.737 --> 00:40:11.657 No DVR, no GUI for curation, but it works with your Plex or your Jellyfins and 00:40:11.657 --> 00:40:12.697 does a lot of what Dispatcher does. 00:40:12.697 --> 00:40:13.397 This looks really nice. 00:40:13.397 --> 00:40:17.077 It's nice. And honestly, if you're okay with like a thousand channels, 00:40:17.317 --> 00:40:19.297 it's got a thousand great channels. 00:40:19.557 --> 00:40:21.977 So like it's a pretty good starting point. 00:40:22.857 --> 00:40:27.037 I only wanted a subset. But and it's of course, if you just use Docker, 00:40:27.177 --> 00:40:30.197 it's a it's it's a you could pretty much just use the default compose. 00:40:30.497 --> 00:40:31.657 It's pretty straightforward. 00:40:32.517 --> 00:40:38.157 And so it's really simple. And then you just get this curated list of great TV channels. 00:40:38.297 --> 00:40:41.137 Python app MIT license. Cool. 00:40:41.597 --> 00:40:46.117 So zero fuss. You spin it up. You point your IPTV player at the URL it gives you. 00:40:46.437 --> 00:40:50.797 And what you could probably use Shellyfin's DVR against this thing if you wanted to, right? 00:40:50.957 --> 00:40:53.977 You totally could. Yes, absolutely. And I do that with ersatz already. 00:40:54.557 --> 00:40:58.577 You absolutely could. If you didn't need the DVR or you had the DVR taken care of somewhere else. 00:40:59.117 --> 00:41:02.257 Yeah. And the one criticism I'll give Dispatcher, which I've really been quite 00:41:02.257 --> 00:41:03.857 happy at, it's under quite active development. 00:41:04.557 --> 00:41:08.337 So I'm sure these things will come. But with Dispatcher, it does provide the 00:41:08.337 --> 00:41:11.597 DVR functionality. And that is nice because you have like server side recording 00:41:11.597 --> 00:41:14.697 and all that, which you would with Shellyfin too. But, you know, it's cool. But... 00:41:15.743 --> 00:41:20.543 The next thing would be to have like a channel that it generates for my on-demand content. 00:41:21.003 --> 00:41:25.143 So I don't really have a way to watch what I've recorded in the DVR on the TV, as far as I can tell. 00:41:25.143 --> 00:41:27.643 You'd have to like feed that back into ersatz and then... 00:41:27.643 --> 00:41:31.203 Yes, yeah, exactly. And because it does produce a nice little MKV file for me, 00:41:31.683 --> 00:41:34.043 especially one without commercials, and that's sitting on the server, 00:41:34.203 --> 00:41:36.923 and I could point Jellyfin or something at that or ersatz at that. 00:41:37.263 --> 00:41:41.843 But wouldn't it be really cool if Dispatcher could create a video on-demand channel? 00:41:41.963 --> 00:41:42.343 Absolutely. 00:41:42.743 --> 00:41:45.303 Yeah. I don't know how it would do that, but I would love that. 00:41:45.723 --> 00:41:50.223 Um, and so in your case, if you're using Jellyfin and you didn't necessarily 00:41:50.223 --> 00:41:53.303 want to sit there and spend two hours curating a thousand, you just would say, 00:41:53.323 --> 00:41:56.063 I'll just take them because you could just favorite the ones you like over time. 00:41:56.183 --> 00:41:59.123 Most, most TV clients, IPTV clients have a favorite concept. 00:42:00.043 --> 00:42:04.643 Then KPTV dash fast is a really simple way to go where you could have this up 00:42:04.643 --> 00:42:08.343 and going in 10 minutes if you know how to start a Docker compose. 00:42:09.163 --> 00:42:13.103 And then you could point VLC or Jellyfin at it 30 seconds later and you could 00:42:13.103 --> 00:42:15.363 watch thousands of high quality content from all over the world. 00:42:15.963 --> 00:42:20.003 So it's really amazing, and I think the humble pie that I had to eat here was 00:42:20.003 --> 00:42:22.463 I wrote this category off as –, 00:42:23.790 --> 00:42:28.790 Basically junk streams, local TV, which there is a lot of that, which is kind of great. 00:42:29.050 --> 00:42:31.310 Yeah, right. And you kind of run into like, oh, okay, well, here's like a news 00:42:31.310 --> 00:42:33.970 program for a country I don't live in in a language I don't understand, 00:42:33.990 --> 00:42:36.150 which is great, but it's not super useful to me. 00:42:36.410 --> 00:42:36.530 Yeah. 00:42:36.830 --> 00:42:38.210 Turns out there's so much more. 00:42:38.270 --> 00:42:41.710 Well, all my local, I didn't realize, and that's where the IPTV search tool 00:42:41.710 --> 00:42:45.510 comes in. I didn't realize all of our local news. 00:42:45.990 --> 00:42:49.410 Because some of these that come with pre-curated lists, maybe they'll have one 00:42:49.410 --> 00:42:51.330 or two local news channels in there for your area. 00:42:51.910 --> 00:42:54.910 But all of them are on there if you know how to find them. And so then I went 00:42:54.910 --> 00:42:57.770 back and just added them manually to Dispatcher and categorized them as local 00:42:57.770 --> 00:42:59.190 news. And I have a local news section. 00:42:59.330 --> 00:43:02.670 And it's fabulous. And if they change it, I'll hunt it down and I'll add it. 00:43:02.750 --> 00:43:05.490 But so far, I don't think it's been a big problem. A lot of these are vetted 00:43:05.490 --> 00:43:07.890 and they stay up for a while because they're communicating with their partners, 00:43:08.050 --> 00:43:10.970 providing, like you said, services to LG or Samsung TVs. 00:43:11.950 --> 00:43:16.090 So it's a real unlock. And at least here in the States, it's a totally legal 00:43:16.090 --> 00:43:19.430 way to watch content where you can have your cake and eat it too. 00:43:19.570 --> 00:43:23.230 And you don't have to pay a bunch of money. I'm going to save like $100 a month doing this. 00:43:23.650 --> 00:43:28.930 So I say goodbye to YouTube TV. You know what I'm saying? 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And it gives you secure, 00:46:47.708 --> 00:46:51.448 programmable access to system data for building dashboards, automations. 00:46:52.048 --> 00:46:56.228 External apps, integration with Home Assistant, you know, various whatnots. 00:46:56.368 --> 00:46:59.368 And you really are seeing the community build around this. 00:46:59.468 --> 00:47:03.548 And there is an application under development right now called U-Manager. 00:47:03.548 --> 00:47:08.288 Now, it's still early days, but what they've been able to create here is so slick. 00:47:08.668 --> 00:47:11.608 You're just sitting on your phone. You can take a glance at your server. 00:47:11.628 --> 00:47:14.908 You can see what's going on, memory, disk, resources. 00:47:15.248 --> 00:47:19.608 You can see your different VMs. And it's just brilliant what can be done with 00:47:19.608 --> 00:47:20.688 this passionate community. 00:47:20.728 --> 00:47:23.588 And that's one of the real secrets. It's not on any box. 00:47:23.828 --> 00:47:27.028 There's no FAQ that's really going to get to this. 00:47:27.448 --> 00:47:30.808 The community is one of the secret sauces of Unraid because they've been around 00:47:30.808 --> 00:47:36.188 for over 20 years now, and they've been delivering for that 20 years and they continue to deliver. 00:47:36.368 --> 00:47:40.548 So they've built a passionate, loyal following with people that really build on top of this. 00:47:40.968 --> 00:47:46.168 And 7.2 has just seen a massive uptick as well. I think it's one of the most popular releases. 00:47:46.368 --> 00:47:49.328 And it's nice too to see them finally add NTFS support. At first, 00:47:49.448 --> 00:47:52.308 I didn't think that would be something I'd want, but then of course I thought 00:47:52.308 --> 00:47:54.948 about those old disks that are sitting in my closet. 00:47:55.108 --> 00:47:57.668 And honestly, that's one of the brilliant things about Unraid. 00:47:58.408 --> 00:48:01.188 You can start with the hardware you have in your closet right now. 00:48:01.188 --> 00:48:06.428 We talk about some really cool apps today those would run on Unraid that's always 00:48:06.428 --> 00:48:11.528 just an unlock away for you and when you go to unraid.net slash unplugged you 00:48:11.528 --> 00:48:13.888 can try out the baller license for free 30 days. 00:48:15.356 --> 00:48:18.256 It's nice. It supports the show, too, unread.net slash unplugged. 00:48:18.376 --> 00:48:21.696 And then if you like it, it's totally worth the value because you know they're 00:48:21.696 --> 00:48:25.336 going to keep building and supporting it. And this becomes a pretty serious part of your setup. 00:48:25.656 --> 00:48:29.736 And I think you'll appreciate that it's an OS that grows with your skills. 00:48:30.556 --> 00:48:32.436 So maybe today you don't care about an API. 00:48:33.576 --> 00:48:37.336 Maybe in a year you do. Or maybe you just start benefiting from the apps that are being built. 00:48:37.516 --> 00:48:40.856 It's such a great time to jump on, right, because it's a modern Linux base. 00:48:40.856 --> 00:48:47.336 Now with that responsive web GUI, fantastic ZFS support, and so much more still coming for Unraid. 00:48:47.716 --> 00:48:51.316 Check it out. Support the show. Go to unraid.net slash unplugged. 00:48:51.396 --> 00:48:53.416 That gets you a free 30-day trial. 00:48:53.536 --> 00:48:55.396 It's also just a great way to support the show and say, hey, 00:48:55.676 --> 00:48:56.936 I heard about you over here on 00:48:56.936 --> 00:49:00.176 the Unplugged program, and I appreciate you sponsoring the Unplugged show. 00:49:00.316 --> 00:49:03.076 That's unraid.net slash unplugged. 00:49:07.208 --> 00:49:10.288 Well we have a little podcasting 2.0 news for you fountain 00:49:10.288 --> 00:49:13.448 1.4 is now live they've completely 00:49:13.448 --> 00:49:16.628 redesigned the fountain wallet made ux improvements to 00:49:16.628 --> 00:49:22.468 payments across the app and added some pretty highly requested features uh there's 00:49:22.468 --> 00:49:29.148 nostr wallet connect is now live you can also pay lightning addresses withdraw 00:49:29.148 --> 00:49:34.748 to strike and choose your own payment methods chris do you have extra details 00:49:34.748 --> 00:49:36.408 especially on this Nostra Wallet Connect? 00:49:36.988 --> 00:49:40.648 Yeah, that's a bigger one than it might sound initially. That means now you 00:49:40.648 --> 00:49:42.728 can bring your own self-hosted wallet. 00:49:42.968 --> 00:49:46.828 So one of the great things Foundin has done, obviously, is provided a Lightning infrastructure. 00:49:47.768 --> 00:49:50.488 Now with Nostra Wallet Connect, you can bring your own self-hosted one. 00:49:50.588 --> 00:49:54.928 You can choose. It's an open standard. It's pretty nice to see them embrace that. 00:49:55.708 --> 00:49:59.608 And it's been growing like crazy. They've done a lot of nice refreshments to the UI. 00:49:59.748 --> 00:50:02.648 They're redoing, well, I probably shouldn't say, that they're redoing some of 00:50:02.648 --> 00:50:05.088 the key things you see when you first open the app. I'll just leave it at that. 00:50:05.308 --> 00:50:07.888 I'll just leave it at that. But congratulations to the Fountain team. 00:50:08.048 --> 00:50:09.268 Also, performance improvements. 00:50:09.548 --> 00:50:15.088 And in beta right now is a total rework of how CarPlay operates. 00:50:15.228 --> 00:50:16.448 Totally better, redone. 00:50:16.688 --> 00:50:20.048 App doesn't have to be running anything like that. CarPlay is getting a nice, 00:50:20.208 --> 00:50:22.908 nice workover in the current Fountain betas. That'll be landing too. 00:50:23.048 --> 00:50:25.228 And I believe Android Auto is coming up next. 00:50:25.448 --> 00:50:28.288 And even if you're not using any of this stuff, I mean, I've noticed just the 00:50:28.288 --> 00:50:31.888 recent releases are super snappy, clean. It's a good experience. 00:50:33.188 --> 00:50:37.768 And we do have a few boosts to get to, and The Dude Abides is our baller booster 00:50:37.768 --> 00:50:39.648 this week with 42,000 stats. 00:50:43.420 --> 00:50:48.080 It's nice to hear from you, the dude, and thank you for 42,000 sats. He says, live boost. 00:50:50.240 --> 00:50:54.340 Coming in while we're recording the show and being our baller for the episode as well. 00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:56.040 Double double. 00:50:56.240 --> 00:50:57.340 Double dubs. Thank you, sir. 00:50:58.200 --> 00:51:01.220 Southern fried sasa comes in with a robot ox. 00:51:02.600 --> 00:51:09.860 If LTT can get the Linus on their show, JB has to have a chance, right? Shoot your shot. 00:51:10.240 --> 00:51:12.400 I would rather go to Linus. I'll tell you the truth. 00:51:12.560 --> 00:51:12.720 Yeah. 00:51:12.720 --> 00:51:16.780 I think that'd be so great. I don't want to make him travel. He travels enough. 00:51:17.500 --> 00:51:18.640 We should have met him in Japan. 00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:23.200 You know, so Linus did that because he said he was interested in what the YouTube thing is like. 00:51:23.380 --> 00:51:26.660 So now we just got to get him interested in what the podcast thing is like. 00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:28.480 And then that opens the door for us, right? 00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:30.340 Yeah, no makeup required. It's podcasting. 00:51:30.680 --> 00:51:34.240 That's right. No makeup. And also we'll try not to be as awkward. 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:38.060 We may still be somewhat awkward, but, you know, not as awkward. 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:44.480 Also, Sassy here notes, still loving the cats. On the video feed, so keep it up, Brent. 00:51:44.720 --> 00:51:45.460 What? We do video? 00:51:46.540 --> 00:51:48.100 We had... Keep it up, Cosmo. 00:51:48.260 --> 00:51:49.560 There's no video. What are you talking about? 00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:55.760 Well, Soham sent in 5,996 sats over to Boosts. 00:52:00.882 --> 00:52:04.062 Uh this one's for you chris hey chris i recently discovered that 00:52:04.062 --> 00:52:06.942 the nebula android and ios clients are 00:52:06.942 --> 00:52:10.222 not open source rather just source available 00:52:10.222 --> 00:52:15.702 with no license in the github repo this is confirmed to be intentional with 00:52:15.702 --> 00:52:20.422 no plans to change i wonder what you all feel about that or if you all could 00:52:20.422 --> 00:52:26.522 ask the uh you know define.net people uh what is the deal absolutely love the 00:52:26.522 --> 00:52:30.202 crap out of nebula and i'd hate to have this be a sticking point later on. 00:52:30.202 --> 00:52:35.682 So that's a great question and uh so i asked the co-founder ryan of nebula just 00:52:35.682 --> 00:52:39.842 this very thing because i saw this boost coming live this week and uh i got 00:52:39.842 --> 00:52:44.442 a i got a proper education on one of the threat vectors that, 00:52:45.122 --> 00:52:51.042 these all vpn providers face is knockoff apps that are actually like you know 00:52:51.042 --> 00:52:52.522 connecting you to a fake network. 00:52:52.822 --> 00:52:56.302 And so the main reason they don't license the mobile app. 00:52:57.872 --> 00:53:02.572 Is essentially be able to enforce the only tool they have, which is a takedown. 00:53:02.852 --> 00:53:06.652 So the only tool they have in that situation is to ask the App Store to take 00:53:06.652 --> 00:53:10.252 it down, and they have to have something like trademark or something they can use there. 00:53:10.532 --> 00:53:14.292 But I asked him, like, you know, where's the flexibility here? 00:53:14.332 --> 00:53:17.252 And he said, well, if someone has a use case in mind or a reason for this, 00:53:17.892 --> 00:53:23.172 we have a process they can contact us, reach out, and then we'll talk to them 00:53:23.172 --> 00:53:25.132 and potentially issue a free license for them. 00:53:25.612 --> 00:53:29.112 So it's more of like, I think they would like to see a community of apps, 00:53:29.112 --> 00:53:36.132 but also you could imagine the risk and brand damage and all of that if a bogus Nebula app goes in. 00:53:36.232 --> 00:53:39.072 And this is particularly challenging when you have a name like Nebula, 00:53:39.212 --> 00:53:41.532 right? It's sort of like trying to enforce the word Jupyter or Linux. 00:53:42.412 --> 00:53:45.872 It's tricky. It's tricky. So that was the answer I got back. 00:53:45.972 --> 00:53:49.712 And I, of course, in more back and forth conversation, I didn't realize what 00:53:49.712 --> 00:53:51.112 an active threat vector that is. 00:53:51.332 --> 00:53:55.932 And not just for them, but other mesh network providers as well. It's a constant thing. 00:53:56.852 --> 00:54:00.532 And then you also have a problem of if somebody creates a really crappy app 00:54:00.532 --> 00:54:03.432 with your name on it, which can be a constant struggle, too. 00:54:04.272 --> 00:54:08.132 But if you are interested in participating, get a hold of me, 00:54:08.432 --> 00:54:11.172 Chris at JupyterBroadcasting.com, and I can put you in touch, 00:54:11.312 --> 00:54:12.892 and you can make some magic happen. 00:54:13.492 --> 00:54:17.012 Also seems like a sort of thing where if you want to use that source for your 00:54:17.012 --> 00:54:18.212 own local thing, you probably could. 00:54:18.392 --> 00:54:22.652 Or, I mean, the whole app and protocol, you know, in terms of Nebula, the core stuff is open. 00:54:22.832 --> 00:54:25.032 You can view the source, I believe, for the mobile app. Yeah, 00:54:25.092 --> 00:54:28.572 and all the Nebula stuff, of course. Yes, but it's just the iOS and Android 00:54:28.572 --> 00:54:29.792 that they're publishing in the app stores. 00:54:30.092 --> 00:54:32.452 Yeah. Not too uncommon, but yeah, it's a good question. 00:54:33.192 --> 00:54:35.912 True Grits came in with 7,777 SATs. 00:54:38.152 --> 00:54:43.172 I really enjoyed the technical talk with Kent. It made me reframe the way I think about Bcash FS. 00:54:43.572 --> 00:54:46.732 I liked his comment towards the end about not caring what Facebook and other 00:54:46.732 --> 00:54:51.052 companies are doing and only caring about writing quality code for individuals. 00:54:51.312 --> 00:54:55.212 In the past, I thought essentially the opposite. It really was only for the 00:54:55.212 --> 00:54:57.292 big players, I thought, and highly technical people. 00:54:57.492 --> 00:54:59.752 The average hobbyist really didn't need to concern themselves. 00:54:59.932 --> 00:55:02.072 Now, now I want to start playing around with it. 00:55:02.312 --> 00:55:07.612 Also, may I introduce a slot machine boost? Sure can. I bet you I could. There you go. 00:55:10.412 --> 00:55:13.852 Seven seven seven seven seven seven seven all seven 00:55:13.852 --> 00:55:18.412 love it all right you guys oh you guys all have to remember the all sevens boost 00:55:18.412 --> 00:55:22.472 is the slot machine boost yeah i i also i mean i was already kind of thinking 00:55:22.472 --> 00:55:26.052 that way but i i thought it was also interesting to hear kent double down on 00:55:26.052 --> 00:55:29.252 the i'm not building this for the for the big hyperscalers i'm building this 00:55:29.252 --> 00:55:33.752 for everybody that's an everyday user it's cool i like that kind of stuff. 00:55:33.752 --> 00:55:40.912 Well moon and night comes in with 2,026 sets. Oh, it's a 2026 boost. 00:55:41.052 --> 00:55:44.952 Aha! I see what he did there. A little early, but I like it. 00:55:45.692 --> 00:55:47.132 Bazite user, checking in. 00:55:47.252 --> 00:55:47.412 Ah. 00:55:47.612 --> 00:55:52.592 I'm running it as a Steam machine for a console experience on my TV in the living room. 00:55:52.892 --> 00:55:57.092 Also have a couple of friends that just installed it on their desktop to escape Windows Gaming. 00:55:57.472 --> 00:56:01.912 Interesting. Nice. So, Moon, I have a follow-up question. 00:56:02.052 --> 00:56:05.092 So you say you're using it as a console experience on your TV, 00:56:05.232 --> 00:56:06.632 are you doing any media watching? 00:56:07.632 --> 00:56:10.892 Or are you using a separate device for that? And if you are doing media watching 00:56:10.892 --> 00:56:13.712 via the Bazite install, what are you using and how did you install it? 00:56:13.772 --> 00:56:14.912 Is it like a flat pack or something? 00:56:16.412 --> 00:56:21.192 I have questions. Because if I could turn my Steam Deck into a Bazite gaming 00:56:21.192 --> 00:56:23.572 system that's maybe also a media center? 00:56:24.612 --> 00:56:27.072 A high performance media center? I mean, now we're starting, 00:56:27.272 --> 00:56:31.152 you know, now we're talking about six barrels, two birds kind of a thing here. I'm all about that. 00:56:31.472 --> 00:56:34.592 So, let me know. Thank you, Moon. I appreciate that. boost. 00:56:35.392 --> 00:56:40.492 Well, our dear Odyssey Westra boosted in 2,291 Satoshis. 00:56:40.592 --> 00:56:41.092 There he is. 00:56:42.870 --> 00:56:44.510 Odyssey says uh love you. 00:56:44.510 --> 00:56:49.550 That's oh well we love him just some love oh i wonder how it's going over there 00:56:49.550 --> 00:56:54.750 let us know how it goes i was gonna get cold soon thank you odyssey stay warm over there, 00:56:55.390 --> 00:57:03.750 chris b's here with 5 000 sets can you guys boost the ally oh a nice catch wes 00:57:03.750 --> 00:57:08.830 i even stopped looking for that very nice boost the ally you get a little bit 00:57:08.830 --> 00:57:13.770 of glaze there for that i like that Can you guys recommend an instant messaging platform that is A, 00:57:13.910 --> 00:57:16.150 open source, B, end-to-end encrypted, 00:57:16.670 --> 00:57:21.650 C, web client, ABCDF, I don't know, iOS app that is 13 plus? 00:57:21.850 --> 00:57:24.190 Oh, supports, I guess, iOS, I don't know. 00:57:24.310 --> 00:57:25.650 I think that is right. 00:57:25.990 --> 00:57:29.270 My family has been using Element, but it is now marked 17 plus. 00:57:29.490 --> 00:57:30.890 Ah, yes, so we have parental controls. 00:57:30.910 --> 00:57:31.150 Yes. 00:57:31.730 --> 00:57:35.330 Thanks for all the help and happy holidays. I don't know about the 13 plus thing. 00:57:36.290 --> 00:57:37.830 We'll have to farm this out of the community. 00:57:37.830 --> 00:57:41.510 I was kind of thinking Simplex. I don't know about web but they do have a desktop 00:57:41.510 --> 00:57:47.050 client but I don't know what they're rated in iOS because Apple this is really an Apple thing here, 00:57:48.537 --> 00:57:54.437 Oh, no, Simplex is 13+. Okay. Simple X could be an option. 00:57:54.997 --> 00:57:59.857 Also, Brent, NextCloud Talk, NextCloud Chat, right? 00:57:59.957 --> 00:58:03.177 That could be an option, I suppose, as well. That's 4+. 00:58:03.177 --> 00:58:06.857 Yeah, that's a good one if you're okay with hosting your own infrastructure. 00:58:07.257 --> 00:58:09.697 That wasn't mentioned here, but it's definitely an option. 00:58:10.857 --> 00:58:12.757 Yeah, and that's ages 4 and above. 00:58:12.877 --> 00:58:15.897 I mean, Chris B's hosting Boost CLI, so, you know. 00:58:16.277 --> 00:58:19.437 That's a good point. If you can do Boost CLI, you can probably do Nextcloud. 00:58:19.537 --> 00:58:24.137 Yeah, that's probably... I would also recommend, I think, Signal. 00:58:24.357 --> 00:58:28.777 I'm not sure what they're rated on the Apple's platform there, 00:58:28.817 --> 00:58:32.977 but it's usually a pretty easy one to get going for people who might not be 00:58:32.977 --> 00:58:39.037 as technical as our dear Boost CLI person here. But that could be an option. 00:58:39.657 --> 00:58:43.857 I would like the audience to chime in on that. Is Signal still the recommendation 00:58:43.857 --> 00:58:48.717 in 2025, early 2026? or are we concerned about Signal these days? 00:58:48.757 --> 00:58:49.977 I don't, I've never been a user. 00:58:50.157 --> 00:58:55.557 I have no dog in that particular hunt, but I read and hear things from people 00:58:55.557 --> 00:58:58.417 in the security industry that seem to be scoffing a bit at Signal. 00:58:58.477 --> 00:59:00.817 And I'm just wondering if something's happened. So boost in and tell me. 00:59:00.837 --> 00:59:01.637 I would like to know too. 00:59:01.797 --> 00:59:06.457 I'm just curious. Yeah, right? Chris B., good luck. And that's a good mission, 00:59:06.697 --> 00:59:09.697 really. I wish I would have gotten the family on something like Simplex or something. 00:59:10.417 --> 00:59:12.657 Element would have been good. It's hard to hear about the age rating change. 00:59:12.977 --> 00:59:16.057 Instead, I got them all hooked on Telegram and iMessages. It's gross. 00:59:16.377 --> 00:59:18.917 Why the change in age rating? Anyway, that seems... 00:59:18.917 --> 00:59:21.417 Well, because somebody probably posted a new image and Apple found out about 00:59:21.417 --> 00:59:24.197 it. These are just arbitrary, precocious rules by Apple. 00:59:24.637 --> 00:59:27.697 And because you can send porn in Matrix, they probably marked it up. 00:59:27.897 --> 00:59:28.277 Oh. 00:59:28.577 --> 00:59:31.237 And they just didn't do it for the other chat apps because nobody's flagged it. 00:59:31.637 --> 00:59:32.557 Great. I see. 00:59:33.577 --> 00:59:36.837 Turd Ferguson comes in with 13,333 sats. 00:59:39.266 --> 00:59:43.006 It was good to hear from Kent, and I'm excited about the future of BcashFS. 00:59:43.366 --> 00:59:46.786 Do keep us posted. Value for value, go podcasting. Heck yeah. 00:59:47.106 --> 00:59:47.546 Yes. 00:59:47.926 --> 00:59:52.506 Go podcasting. Thank you, Turd. Appreciate you. 00:59:53.246 --> 00:59:57.746 Hybrid sarcasm comes in, oh, with a live burr boost from Podverse. 01:00:00.466 --> 01:00:04.006 Aw, just some signal to let you know I enjoyed last week's episode. 01:00:04.206 --> 01:00:07.246 Thank you. We didn't get a lot of feedback on that. And I can't tell if that's 01:00:07.246 --> 01:00:11.166 just because people took it in and enjoyed it or if they don't like it when we talk file systems. 01:00:12.026 --> 01:00:14.986 But, you know, it's a shame because, like, that chat with Kent is sort of like 01:00:14.986 --> 01:00:18.466 the thing that the Unplugged program can do that no other program can do because 01:00:18.466 --> 01:00:19.766 we've just been following it closely. 01:00:20.166 --> 01:00:23.026 We've established a channel with Kent. We ourselves run it. 01:00:23.386 --> 01:00:25.726 And so it's like we're kind of – it's kind of in our power zone, 01:00:25.846 --> 01:00:27.626 you know, if you will. Like when you're revving your engine, 01:00:27.666 --> 01:00:28.846 that's kind of in our power zone. 01:00:30.566 --> 01:00:31.506 But this episode –. 01:00:32.849 --> 01:00:36.109 I bet people are too busy setting up their new BcashFS file systems. 01:00:36.269 --> 01:00:38.909 Maybe. This episode didn't get a lot of, that was, we got two boosts about it. 01:00:39.029 --> 01:00:42.369 We didn't get a lot of emails or any, I don't know, about it. 01:00:42.909 --> 01:00:45.789 But I think it's a remarkable thing he's doing. And I was really, 01:00:45.909 --> 01:00:48.569 I really thought it was something special that we could bring to the community. 01:00:48.789 --> 01:00:50.989 And if you liked it, we'd love to see it in the boosts. 01:00:51.389 --> 01:00:56.789 We had 28 folks stream and we stacked 29,955 sats with them. 01:00:57.349 --> 01:01:00.129 And collectively, when you combine that with our boosters, We stacked a pretty 01:01:00.129 --> 01:01:04.789 humble 120,600 sats. I say that just because I'm a little apprehensive. 01:01:05.109 --> 01:01:07.589 2026, we don't really have many things locked in for funding. 01:01:08.049 --> 01:01:11.429 And so to sort of see this dripping off at the end, especially when we kind 01:01:11.429 --> 01:01:14.489 of did a powerhouse episode, makes me a little concerned. And if you love the 01:01:14.489 --> 01:01:17.769 episode or you love the show in general, there's a couple of ways to support 01:01:17.769 --> 01:01:19.589 it. Keep it going. That would, of course, be a member. 01:01:19.989 --> 01:01:22.909 That's sort of our foundation. And then the signal really for the individual 01:01:22.909 --> 01:01:23.869 episodes would be the boost. 01:01:24.629 --> 01:01:27.269 You can do that with Fountain FM. They're making it easier and better all the 01:01:27.269 --> 01:01:29.389 time. There's even a few more things coming. I mean, they're going to blow your 01:01:29.389 --> 01:01:30.789 mind on how easy it is soon to boost. 01:01:31.309 --> 01:01:32.469 And then there's a bunch of great 01:01:32.469 --> 01:01:36.189 apps like Podverse is in the middle of a fantastic rebuild right now. 01:01:37.249 --> 01:01:40.109 Podcastapps.com. You can boost in the individual episodes and support us that 01:01:40.109 --> 01:01:43.669 way with hard assets. And that's something the show stacks for its long term run. 01:01:43.829 --> 01:01:46.369 And then, of course, the members at linuxunplugged.com slash membership. 01:01:46.569 --> 01:01:48.429 That's our day to day run right there. And that's our foundation. 01:01:48.709 --> 01:01:51.709 Thank you, everybody who does support the show. We do appreciate it. 01:01:51.749 --> 01:01:52.489 Go ahead, Brentley. Yeah. 01:01:52.589 --> 01:01:57.049 Oh, just a small reminder to our community that this is your official last week 01:01:57.049 --> 01:01:59.249 to get your boosts in for the boosties. 01:01:59.529 --> 01:02:04.249 Boosties are happening, what is it, next week, right? Is that what we promised? 01:02:04.449 --> 01:02:07.789 On Friday, really. So if you're listening to this when it comes out. Yeah. 01:02:07.909 --> 01:02:11.569 So if you'd like to get on the leaderboard or try to kick out someone that you 01:02:11.569 --> 01:02:14.729 think you deserve a higher spot, this is your last chance. 01:02:15.189 --> 01:02:18.569 I can't believe we're there already. Can you believe it? 01:02:18.949 --> 01:02:22.349 We're almost at 20. Oh, it's our last episodes. This is wild. 01:02:22.549 --> 01:02:24.829 Thank you, everybody who does support this episode. 01:02:25.049 --> 01:02:27.689 Episode 645 is made possible because of you. 01:02:28.830 --> 01:02:32.990 Of course, check it out at Fountain FM, and we'll have more links at linuxunplugged.com, 01:02:35.290 --> 01:02:38.030 including links to become a member, to join our Matrix community. 01:02:38.370 --> 01:02:40.650 It's a value-for-value podcast, and there's several ways to contribute, 01:02:40.750 --> 01:02:41.510 and that's just a few of them. 01:03:03.424 --> 01:03:07.844 All right, now before we go, we have, well, we really have an embarrassment of picks. 01:03:08.504 --> 01:03:09.724 You can't help yourself. 01:03:09.724 --> 01:03:12.384 I don't know what's going on anymore. We've completely lost it. 01:03:12.484 --> 01:03:13.344 It was supposed to be one pick. 01:03:13.584 --> 01:03:17.364 But it just felt like we should slide this one in with the theme of the episode. 01:03:17.364 --> 01:03:22.624 This one is Jellyfy Music, a cross-platform, open-source music player for Jellyfin. 01:03:23.264 --> 01:03:26.684 And it's a nice-looking app. Showcases your artwork and your library. 01:03:26.684 --> 01:03:29.884 Makes it real easy to just play the music you might have in your Jellyfin library. 01:03:30.204 --> 01:03:31.164 Yeah, React Native. 01:03:31.164 --> 01:03:31.924 It's. 01:03:31.924 --> 01:03:36.504 Available on ios and android lots of ways to install it including published 01:03:36.504 --> 01:03:39.824 releases and apks so i assume that makes it obtainium friendly. 01:03:39.824 --> 01:03:45.184 You got it you got it but yep uh-huh uh-huh and it's really nice if you want 01:03:45.184 --> 01:03:50.704 high quality local flex and things like that so that is in the show notes then 01:03:50.704 --> 01:03:54.224 i want to talk about something that's just kind of handy don't hate on it wes, 01:03:55.164 --> 01:03:57.484 it's docker compose maker now 01:03:57.484 --> 01:04:02.104 you can self-host this yourself or you can just use their live demo but. 01:04:02.104 --> 01:04:04.024 I gotta do i have to use docker compose. 01:04:04.024 --> 01:04:06.664 How am i going to generate i know i know well this is 01:04:06.664 --> 01:04:09.344 for those that use docker compose and so it's 01:04:09.344 --> 01:04:12.664 two things it's a a curated list of like 01:04:12.664 --> 01:04:16.904 compose stacks so say you wanted to get a media stack or a jellyfin stack or 01:04:16.904 --> 01:04:20.644 maybe you wanted to run just one application they have ready to go compose files 01:04:20.644 --> 01:04:24.404 for you but what they do that's kind of neat And why I actually decided to mention 01:04:24.404 --> 01:04:28.044 this is they let you define a lot of the things ahead of time, 01:04:28.144 --> 01:04:29.924 like the config path, the data path, 01:04:30.144 --> 01:04:34.784 the UID and the GID it runs with, the network mode and those types of things. 01:04:34.924 --> 01:04:38.624 So that way, when you actually download the generated compose file. 01:04:39.642 --> 01:04:41.862 Got a better shot of being ready for your environment. 01:04:42.062 --> 01:04:44.622 This looks nice. And I see I can select multiple stuff. 01:04:44.742 --> 01:04:44.942 Yes. 01:04:44.942 --> 01:04:48.242 Let me make sure I add Postgres in here. Definitely going to want that. 01:04:48.422 --> 01:04:53.322 And they have some that are like, okay, I want the self-hosted password stack. 01:04:53.342 --> 01:04:55.122 And it's three or four things combined, right? 01:04:55.322 --> 01:05:00.402 Or the home automation or the dad's media stack, I think, is one of them. 01:05:00.482 --> 01:05:02.362 And then it's several of them combined together. 01:05:02.722 --> 01:05:06.562 And then you go into the settings, you define your variables, 01:05:06.582 --> 01:05:09.362 and then it produces a Docker Compose file that's pretty much ready to go. 01:05:09.642 --> 01:05:11.182 Or at least a good starting point. 01:05:12.403 --> 01:05:16.163 Yeah, it also spits out a .env file for you. Cool. Oh, this looks nice. 01:05:16.323 --> 01:05:19.663 Yeah, it's nice, especially if you're new to this stuff and you hear us talk 01:05:19.663 --> 01:05:21.583 about some of these things but you don't really know Docker Compose. 01:05:21.683 --> 01:05:23.263 This could be a good reference point to get started. 01:05:23.503 --> 01:05:27.423 So that's DCM, and what's neat about it is you can self-host that generator, 01:05:27.903 --> 01:05:31.443 or you can use their demo, which is kind of the same thing. I'll have that linked in the show notes. 01:05:31.803 --> 01:05:38.343 And then, before we get out of here, Bradley found us a AGPL3 productivity management 01:05:38.343 --> 01:05:41.323 tool that has a special niche focus. 01:05:41.323 --> 01:05:44.143 There is a niche focus here's uh here's 01:05:44.143 --> 01:05:47.163 the description lean time it's a goals focused 01:05:47.163 --> 01:05:50.383 project management system for non-project managers hey 01:05:50.383 --> 01:05:53.523 that's me building specifically with people 01:05:53.523 --> 01:05:56.783 who have adhd autism or dyslexia in 01:05:56.783 --> 01:05:59.803 mind i thought that was pretty fascinating i've 01:05:59.803 --> 01:06:07.303 been doing oh let's call it a wee deep dive this week into uh my adhd brain 01:06:07.303 --> 01:06:13.443 stuffs and uh i did not think there would be a productivity application that 01:06:13.443 --> 01:06:18.663 was open source that would be specifically targeted at helping us individuals. 01:06:19.343 --> 01:06:23.543 Sure enough, there is. And it's been around for quite a while. 01:06:23.703 --> 01:06:24.963 It seems pretty actively developed. 01:06:25.163 --> 01:06:30.823 It has 147 contributors, so quite well used and loved, clearly. 01:06:31.043 --> 01:06:33.863 So I'm thinking of giving LeanTime a go. 01:06:34.083 --> 01:06:38.263 But I was curious if If anyone in the community had given this a shot or if, 01:06:38.383 --> 01:06:42.463 you know, you might have an ADHD brain like a few of your hosts here do, 01:06:42.703 --> 01:06:45.823 what are the productivity tricks that have really made a huge, 01:06:45.923 --> 01:06:46.663 massive difference for you? 01:06:46.723 --> 01:06:49.423 Because I'm looking for something that, I don't know, makes my life easier. 01:06:49.803 --> 01:06:53.183 This is gorgeous. I wouldn't think to say that for this type of app, 01:06:53.203 --> 01:06:54.463 but it's a freaking beautiful app. 01:06:55.735 --> 01:06:58.695 That's nice this looks really nice nice deep dive brent i'm. 01:06:58.695 --> 01:07:00.595 Curious what you'll what you'll manage first. 01:07:00.595 --> 01:07:06.855 Yeah yeah we'll see okay so lean time and we have that linked in the show notes 01:07:06.855 --> 01:07:12.675 like i mentioned it's agpl3.o uh looks like it's a mostly a php app with some 01:07:12.675 --> 01:07:16.735 javascript as you would expect and of course a few other things in there uh 01:07:16.735 --> 01:07:17.735 looks like a good project, 01:07:19.525 --> 01:07:23.805 And then also it says a simple Trello, but a, as feature rich as Jira, 01:07:23.965 --> 01:07:26.605 a perfect alternative to ClickUp, Monday, or Asana. 01:07:27.005 --> 01:07:30.025 I mean, just by definition has to be better than Jira. 01:07:31.025 --> 01:07:37.785 There it is. They also have their own website, leantime.io, built with ADHD 01:07:37.785 --> 01:07:39.665 and neurodivergence in mind. 01:07:40.305 --> 01:07:44.225 Huh. I'm just impressed with how damn good it looks. That's, 01:07:44.325 --> 01:07:46.305 to me, that's the unexpected part. 01:07:46.525 --> 01:07:48.745 You know, usually these task management apps like this are not so great. 01:07:48.745 --> 01:07:51.865 So now we've got to get DCM to have a Docker Compose for this. 01:07:52.065 --> 01:07:52.185 Right. 01:07:53.445 --> 01:07:57.245 But we've got to get it going so we can manage that goal with it. 01:07:57.425 --> 01:08:00.065 Oh, yeah, right, because we're never going to get that done until we get lean time going. 01:08:00.185 --> 01:08:00.305 Yeah. 01:08:00.965 --> 01:08:03.765 Catch 22. And yet, here we sit. 01:08:04.465 --> 01:08:06.405 All right, well, so you're wondering, what do they talk about? 01:08:06.425 --> 01:08:10.545 Where do I find this? 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