WEBVTT 00:00:11.312 --> 00:00:15.200 Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. 00:00:15.380 --> 00:00:15.920 My name is Chris. 00:00:16.098 --> 00:00:16.800 My name is Wes. 00:00:17.008 --> 00:00:17.980 And my name is Brent. 00:00:18.496 --> 00:00:18.980 Hello, gentlemen. 00:00:19.460 --> 00:00:22.500 Coming up on the show today, Fedora 45 is almost here, 00:00:22.620 --> 00:00:24.940 and we are digging into the hidden bits of the upgrade, 00:00:26.577 --> 00:00:28.700 like some of the hardening and surprising changes beneath the desktop. 00:00:29.116 --> 00:00:31.180 Then we're going to take a look at WebSSH. 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:34.100 We took it for a spin, and I think it's going to stick. 00:00:34.542 --> 00:00:37.240 It turns your browser into a full remote management workspace. 00:00:37.917 --> 00:00:38.678 I'll explain what that means. 00:00:39.082 --> 00:00:41.620 They're going to round it out with some great picks, some boosts, and a lot more. 00:00:41.720 --> 00:00:45.020 So before we get there, let's say time-appropriate greetings to that virtual lug. 00:00:45.080 --> 00:00:45.760 Hello, my room. 00:00:46.692 --> 00:00:49.519 Hey Chris, hey Wes and hello Brent. 00:00:49.549 --> 00:00:50.000 Wow. 00:00:50.845 --> 00:00:52.260 Look at all of y'all up there in the quiet listening. 00:00:53.342 --> 00:00:54.780 Hello, everybody out there on the live stream. 00:00:55.103 --> 00:00:56.560 Forces strong with this Mumble Room. 00:00:57.080 --> 00:00:58.004 Thank you for being here. 00:00:59.481 --> 00:01:02.160 And good morning to our friends over at Defined Networking. 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:06.495 Go to defined.net slash unplugged and check out Manage Nebula from Defined Networking. 00:01:06.997 --> 00:01:10.720 Your VPN is critical infrastructure, and it should not be a single point of failure. 00:01:11.140 --> 00:01:13.780 You have to own this stack, and that's why I love Nebula. 00:01:14.207 --> 00:01:18.628 Originally built to connect Slack's global infrastructure, it's open source, absolutely key for something 00:01:18.628 --> 00:01:19.091 like this, 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:22.756 decentralized, and it's designed for serious security. 00:01:24.882 --> 00:01:25.980 And you have a self-hosted lighthouse. 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:27.140 You can run it all yourself. 00:01:29.810 --> 00:01:32.054 You can keep the complete network under your terms, or you can take advantage of Managed Nebula from 00:01:32.054 --> 00:01:32.480 Define Networking. 00:01:32.580 --> 00:01:38.160 It makes simple, starting, easy, simple setup, 100 devices, totally free, like get going kind of thing. 00:01:38.629 --> 00:01:39.380 So go try it out. 00:01:39.460 --> 00:01:41.160 Go to define.net slash unplugged. 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:42.440 It is so easy. 00:01:42.913 --> 00:01:45.960 And with 100 hosts for free, you can really kick the tires. 00:01:46.523 --> 00:01:48.580 Visit define.net slash unplugged. 00:01:48.620 --> 00:01:50.240 And a big thank you to Defined. 00:01:50.895 --> 00:01:51.840 Been around for a minute. 00:01:53.332 --> 00:01:54.040 Been deploying that. 00:01:54.974 --> 00:01:56.020 And it just keeps getting better. 00:01:56.020 --> 00:01:56.960 They got some updates coming. 00:01:56.960 --> 00:01:58.320 just around the corner. 00:01:58.860 --> 00:02:02.088 Now, gentlemen, we have a special PSA this week 00:02:05.329 --> 00:02:09.100 because some of us are observing the passing of Sir Patrick Stewart. 00:02:10.063 --> 00:02:12.100 And so in honor of Sir Patrick Stewart, 00:02:12.689 --> 00:02:12.993 Hmm. 00:02:13.056 --> 00:02:16.040 we are going to rename the housekeeping segment, 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:17.093 at least for a while. 00:02:23.192 --> 00:02:23.760 I think that's fitting. 00:02:23.760 --> 00:02:26.757 So the PSA for you this week is that the Meetup pages are live for Texas Linux Fest at meetup. 00:02:26.757 --> 00:02:27.713 com and on our Gavio instance. 00:02:32.773 --> 00:02:35.660 And the details, I think, are going to work, assuming we don't get rained out. 00:02:36.221 --> 00:02:38.660 But there is a venue very close. 00:02:38.760 --> 00:02:41.563 There's a food venue very close to the Texas Linux Fest venue, about a 10-minute walk. 00:02:43.644 --> 00:02:45.481 And it's an industrial taproom, dog-friendly patio. 00:02:47.640 --> 00:02:49.160 They've got a big inside, big outside. 00:02:49.780 --> 00:02:51.020 They have a food truck on site. 00:02:51.020 --> 00:02:52.160 It's Tex-Mex. 00:02:53.274 --> 00:02:54.048 you know that kind of stuff 00:02:54.707 --> 00:02:55.940 I guess they also have burgers though too 00:02:55.940 --> 00:02:58.230 but no reservations no tickets you're just going to show up 00:02:58.630 --> 00:03:00.060 we have details linked in the show notes 00:03:00.060 --> 00:03:01.980 we'd love to see you if you were in the Austin area 00:03:02.231 --> 00:03:04.060 Yeah, come join us at Austin Beer Works. 00:03:04.551 --> 00:03:05.840 yeah thank you for saying the name 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.260 I forgot to actually say the name it is Austin Beer Works 00:03:09.058 --> 00:03:10.440 by the Commons Events Center 00:03:10.440 --> 00:03:12.720 and we have the links and all the details 00:03:13.306 --> 00:03:14.800 in the meetup and Gavio instance 00:03:15.422 --> 00:03:16.540 it's finally there 00:03:16.540 --> 00:03:19.122 and if we have to make any changes that's where we will make them 00:03:19.724 --> 00:03:20.281 and we'd love to see you there 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:30.360 Unbelievable. 00:03:30.880 --> 00:03:31.220 I know. 00:03:31.709 --> 00:03:32.524 It's finally here. 00:03:33.112 --> 00:03:35.780 it's probably an honor of going to texas linux fest right yeah 00:03:36.500 --> 00:03:39.920 And a bit of a bumpy start to get us here. 00:03:40.020 --> 00:03:41.000 Like, there was some delays. 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:42.300 This happens sometimes with Fedora. 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:43.260 So, they do these windows. 00:03:43.700 --> 00:03:44.500 So, don't call it late. 00:03:45.048 --> 00:03:49.500 i mean you know there's always various sort of blocking uh bugs that can block things and it 00:03:49.500 --> 00:03:52.032 has to get resolved which is why they do this process of like a go no go meeting to call they're 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.106 actually going to aim for this specific date and they set like you know an initial target and 00:03:57.820 --> 00:03:59.160 fallback targets and that kind of thing. 00:04:00.008 --> 00:04:01.703 But a lot of it this time was that Imudra certificate, 00:04:06.556 --> 00:04:07.780 intermediate certificate issue where, you know, 00:04:11.531 --> 00:04:12.720 they just used the number four instead of like an actual random number. 00:04:12.724 --> 00:04:13.540 I heard about this. 00:04:13.542 --> 00:04:13.680 Yeah. 00:04:13.780 --> 00:04:15.360 So on the October 19th, 00:04:16.380 --> 00:04:19.920 Cloudflare disclosed eight compromised Imudra intermediate private keys. 00:04:20.220 --> 00:04:20.860 The keys were weak. 00:04:21.020 --> 00:04:23.540 Cloudflare named them four, 56, 66, 115. 00:04:23.900 --> 00:04:24.675 So just, yeah, the number four. 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:27.980 turns out when you outsource the trust 00:04:27.980 --> 00:04:29.220 it eventually bites you in the butt 00:04:29.220 --> 00:04:30.062 that's my lesson here 00:04:30.286 --> 00:04:34.320 and of course like the whole thing here is it's like a factorization problem right and so it's 00:04:34.320 --> 00:04:38.480 easy to multiply things together but when you have a single number it's hard to factor it into 00:04:41.797 --> 00:04:42.180 oh 00:04:42.180 --> 00:04:42.791 because it's four 00:04:42.813 --> 00:04:47.222 who needs computers 00:04:48.410 --> 00:04:48.916 okay 00:04:52.980 --> 00:04:56.407 Fedora doesn't have a mechanism to distrust intermediate keys across all of their various 00:04:59.260 --> 00:05:02.520 crypto libraries, right? That's part of the work of maintaining a distribution is like you're 00:05:02.520 --> 00:05:05.840 shipping a whole bunch of these libraries and things that might each have their own approach, 00:05:06.520 --> 00:05:10.800 you know, slightly different ways or different types of APIs for getting this core cryptographic 00:05:11.876 --> 00:05:15.202 information. So they ended up needing to remove roots as a sort of blunt instrument. Yeah. 00:05:17.423 --> 00:05:18.902 Yeah, I can see how that's a bit of a release blocker. 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:19.720 and so ultimately 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:20.660 between like 00:05:20.660 --> 00:05:22.040 doing that the first time around 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:23.200 and then having to bump 00:05:23.728 --> 00:05:24.300 and then trying to like 00:05:24.300 --> 00:05:25.520 some stuff that took a while 00:05:25.520 --> 00:05:26.300 to actually get right 00:05:26.300 --> 00:05:27.580 you can end up with 00:05:27.580 --> 00:05:27.913 you know 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:30.660 the number four 00:05:30.660 --> 00:05:32.100 meaning Tordora has to 00:05:32.100 --> 00:05:33.300 release two weeks late 00:05:35.832 --> 00:05:36.680 hard to blame 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:38.120 hard to blame them though 00:05:38.180 --> 00:05:40.015 Yeah, that, no, they're doing the responsible thing there. 00:05:40.038 --> 00:05:40.980 and it's a lot of work 00:05:40.980 --> 00:05:41.900 to make sure you're doing it right 00:05:41.900 --> 00:05:42.440 and getting it packed 00:05:42.440 --> 00:05:43.080 and you don't want your 00:05:43.080 --> 00:05:43.940 shiny new release 00:05:43.940 --> 00:05:45.040 to have a bunch of problems 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:45.512 baked in 00:05:46.278 --> 00:05:48.980 The funny thing about this release of Fedora 00:05:48.980 --> 00:05:52.921 is I think it'd be really easy to just pass by it as no big deal. 00:05:55.100 --> 00:05:56.982 I say, like, if you installed it from the ISO, 00:05:59.082 --> 00:06:01.460 the biggest difference would be the background, probably. 00:06:01.880 --> 00:06:03.580 There is a few changes and nice improvements. 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:04.340 You get GNOME 51. 00:06:04.540 --> 00:06:05.579 There's definitely nice stuff. 00:06:06.861 --> 00:06:09.400 But I think what really has us excited about Fedora 45 00:06:09.400 --> 00:06:11.240 is the things under the hood. 00:06:11.872 --> 00:06:16.120 And it starts with just better security practices in some areas, 00:06:17.696 --> 00:06:20.400 replacing some classic tools that we've all relied on for over a decade, 00:06:24.026 --> 00:06:29.500 Yeah, unsigned packages are going to fail unless you actually have dash dash no signature there. 00:06:29.580 --> 00:06:31.540 There's various other escape patches. 00:06:32.569 --> 00:06:34.540 There's also things coming in DNF5. 00:06:34.585 --> 00:06:34.760 Yeah. 00:06:35.487 --> 00:06:37.540 Per repo, gpg check equals zero. 00:06:38.695 --> 00:06:40.740 If you're just using already signed repos, you're probably not going to notice. 00:06:40.740 --> 00:06:46.004 But if you're using unsigned stuff, you're going to have to do a little more actively to tell the system 00:06:46.004 --> 00:06:48.029 that's okay and not a security problem. 00:06:48.620 --> 00:06:51.740 A few other things like ptrace is being restricted by default. 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.441 This doesn't break strace, but if you're trying to trace an already running process, then you're going to 00:06:55.441 --> 00:06:56.485 need to change a system setting. 00:07:00.510 --> 00:07:04.771 Or what they're doing, which is kind of clever, is like they start it to this scope zero, which is you 00:07:04.771 --> 00:07:06.860 can only do it to your own processes and threads. 00:07:07.020 --> 00:07:10.720 Like a process can do it to its own threads, but it can't do it to a separate process. 00:07:11.260 --> 00:07:15.410 other the scope one means you can and so they're going to ship scope zero but then if you install 00:07:16.540 --> 00:07:20.000 anything like a debugging tool something that might need this functionality legitimately 00:07:20.623 --> 00:07:24.718 then it at it ships a linked package which then sets that system setting back to one so hopefully 00:07:25.878 --> 00:07:26.040 Okay. 00:07:26.840 --> 00:07:30.160 you won't notice it you might in some esoteric use cases that's the thing to check for 00:07:35.073 --> 00:07:36.774 I think the one that has my attention, and I hinted at it, is they're replacing a tool that I think maybe 00:07:36.774 --> 00:07:37.860 if Ubuntu had done this, it would have been kind of headline news. 00:07:39.614 --> 00:07:41.129 They have replaced GNOME keyring with 007, which is Rust-based. 00:07:46.189 --> 00:07:47.440 Is that a better or worse name? 00:07:47.500 --> 00:07:48.620 I don't know, but it is more fun. 00:07:48.754 --> 00:07:49.800 It is a lot more fun. 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:53.200 It's a Rust Demon with a PAM unlock at login, 00:07:53.833 --> 00:07:56.580 plus a XDG portal for, like, flat packs, 00:07:57.052 --> 00:07:59.520 and they'll automatically migrate your existing keyring. 00:07:59.965 --> 00:08:00.220 Yeah. 00:08:01.443 --> 00:08:03.420 I guess there were, like, at the beta stage, 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:06.780 there were some migrations you might need in some edge cases. 00:08:07.880 --> 00:08:09.240 Silverblue had some issues there, too, 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.057 unique to that part of it. 00:08:11.580 --> 00:08:13.380 So it may not be a totally seamless upgrade, 00:08:13.460 --> 00:08:14.700 but they are putting in real work 00:08:14.700 --> 00:08:16.640 to try to make it as seamless as they can 00:08:16.640 --> 00:08:17.700 with this big of a change. 00:08:18.409 --> 00:08:21.060 Some of the motivation, scoped authorization, 00:08:21.300 --> 00:08:22.240 that sounds pretty nice. 00:08:22.760 --> 00:08:23.960 Sandboxed app trust. 00:08:24.340 --> 00:08:25.794 And ultimately sort of being able to be, 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.460 like, play the whole role in FIDO2 sort of workflows. 00:08:31.601 --> 00:08:32.000 Nice. 00:08:32.680 --> 00:08:33.440 Yeah, that, okay. 00:08:34.568 --> 00:08:36.960 The one that I think a lot of people are seeing is a headline feature, though, 00:08:38.457 --> 00:08:40.107 and I think we're all going to enjoy this, I think. 00:08:41.434 --> 00:08:42.040 It's one of those changes. 00:08:42.220 --> 00:08:44.485 I'm a little on the fence, but I think I'm going to like it. 00:08:45.112 --> 00:08:51.620 KMSCon, we've talked about this before, it replaces FBCon as the default virtual terminal. 00:08:52.426 --> 00:08:57.080 And it supports things like free type fonts, runtime zoom, so you can zoom in, scroll back, right? 00:09:00.217 --> 00:09:04.160 who would have thought yeah i guess it lost the hat fb con had that but then years ago a cve kind 00:09:04.160 --> 00:09:05.719 of claimed it and no one bothered to put it back 00:09:05.983 --> 00:09:08.960 I think, too, if, depending on the mouse, like, I don't think it's going to work with Bluetooth, 00:09:10.283 --> 00:09:11.980 but depending on the mouse and its configuration, 00:09:13.638 --> 00:09:15.540 it's also going to have, at your standard now basic console, 00:09:15.780 --> 00:09:17.864 you could do text selection with your mouse now. 00:09:18.740 --> 00:09:20.546 That's wild on the basic Linux, you know, TTY. 00:09:21.961 --> 00:09:22.535 Wow. 00:09:22.918 --> 00:09:27.138 Yeah, sort of expanded Unicode, double with CJK characters can be inputted now. 00:09:29.025 --> 00:09:31.140 My hesitation, and why I'm not like, oh, my God, 00:09:31.160 --> 00:09:33.442 this is the greatest feature ever, is it's doing more in user space. 00:09:37.294 --> 00:09:37.640 It is. 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.555 and so you got to have user space like you got to have a working system and there's just more to it 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.620 right like the hardware acceleration means you're going to have to have your mesa or open gl stack 00:09:51.184 --> 00:09:53.320 functional which means your vidya drivers need to be functional so there's a lot more that needs to 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:55.986 be working now in order to get this nicer kms con experience i'm assuming there must be some 00:10:00.939 --> 00:10:05.020 Well, right now it's falling back to FB con things like Plymouth do that. 00:10:05.690 --> 00:10:07.420 or like where you're entering your 00:10:08.397 --> 00:10:09.520 Lux encryption password 00:10:10.135 --> 00:10:11.640 That'll be – that'll still be – okay. 00:10:11.711 --> 00:10:13.600 So FBCon's not being ripped out, 00:10:13.660 --> 00:10:14.420 at least not yet. 00:10:14.615 --> 00:10:16.323 That's – it's just I thought there was a – oh, no, no, no. 00:10:18.540 --> 00:10:18.690 Yeah. 00:10:19.294 --> 00:10:20.000 There was a CVE. 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:20.707 That's been fixed. 00:10:21.125 --> 00:10:25.640 I was going to ask the exact same question you just did because I want to enter my encryption 00:10:25.640 --> 00:10:26.103 password. 00:10:26.365 --> 00:10:26.660 Yeah. 00:10:28.199 --> 00:10:28.520 You're right. 00:10:28.700 --> 00:10:30.519 The benefit is if there's a 00:10:30.934 --> 00:10:32.880 bug or an issue, it can't take down the kernel. 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:34.315 It just gets restarted, right? 00:10:35.508 --> 00:10:36.660 and all this stuff. 00:10:36.780 --> 00:10:39.340 You can pack a lot more functionality that you might actually want, 00:10:39.420 --> 00:10:41.220 like scroll back or zoom, 00:10:41.848 --> 00:10:43.140 and you don't have to stuff that all into the kernel. 00:10:44.707 --> 00:10:48.057 so i think this is like fedora 45 headline feature and it's gonna you know go this is 00:10:48.780 --> 00:10:49.654 gonna go on now forever probably the other but if you look 00:10:52.367 --> 00:10:53.858 And probably an area where Fedora is doing that thing they do where they, 00:10:55.105 --> 00:10:55.623 where they lead yeah 00:10:56.336 --> 00:10:56.840 Mm-hmm. 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:00.533 I think the other headline feature for 45 is the web installer. 00:11:03.860 --> 00:11:05.147 Everybody's getting the web installer now. 00:11:05.470 --> 00:11:07.120 Yeah, Atomic Desktops in particular. 00:11:07.300 --> 00:11:09.740 They're finally dropping GTK Anaconda, 00:11:10.407 --> 00:11:13.680 which as the show's resident Anaconda skeptic, I'm happy to see. 00:11:13.695 --> 00:11:14.620 You get a web installer. 00:11:14.860 --> 00:11:15.209 You get a weapon. 00:11:15.425 --> 00:11:16.687 Thank you. 00:11:17.915 --> 00:11:23.673 Yeah, and if you are on a live environment, like a live session boot, and you start the installer, it 00:11:23.673 --> 00:11:25.440 doesn't fire up Firefox first. 00:11:27.254 --> 00:11:30.340 It is sort of – it just looks like a standalone application that kind of takes up the whole screen. 00:11:31.957 --> 00:11:37.790 I definitely am going to need to spend some time figuring out the custom partitioning manager aspect of 00:11:37.790 --> 00:11:38.640 the installer. 00:11:42.195 --> 00:11:42.480 True. 00:11:46.215 --> 00:11:47.418 Oh. 00:11:51.903 --> 00:11:54.340 once you adapted to that obtuseness, 00:11:54.565 --> 00:11:55.460 You could learn it. 00:11:55.460 --> 00:11:56.966 It was one of the most powerful participants. 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:59.180 in a Linux distro installer. 00:11:59.908 --> 00:12:02.565 Really good stuff once you kind of wrangled it. 00:12:04.260 --> 00:12:05.940 I opened up this thing and it was like, 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:07.404 I felt kind of like I had kid gloves on. 00:12:07.789 --> 00:12:11.700 but maybe maybe you just need to give it time and once you get to know it 00:12:11.700 --> 00:12:13.010 it's going to be really powerful is that your argument just there 00:12:13.774 --> 00:12:15.020 Yes, that and or, 00:12:15.280 --> 00:12:16.979 uh-huh 00:12:17.680 --> 00:12:20.593 opens up a whole new world for automated installs. 00:12:21.095 --> 00:12:24.484 And so there's probably for a person like myself that wants to get really kind of into the weeds, there's 00:12:24.484 --> 00:12:25.549 probably a route that direction. 00:12:27.651 --> 00:12:32.380 Something you'll like, new opt-in tech preview, web-based remote installation. 00:12:32.651 --> 00:12:35.700 Like that's also really great, especially for maybe VPSs. 00:12:35.776 --> 00:12:39.380 yeah you add some command line stuff onto your kernel command line in stop 00:12:39.380 --> 00:12:41.112 web UI that remote and then you set a pin and then you can just install from a 00:12:45.300 --> 00:12:48.660 Fedora, as long as you're cool with updating, doesn't make a bad little headless VM. 00:12:48.660 --> 00:12:50.880 And now with this option, it just got a little better. 00:12:51.518 --> 00:12:51.980 I like that. 00:12:52.058 --> 00:12:52.521 mm-hmm 00:12:54.394 --> 00:12:56.552 Or if you're doing like a fleet of workstations, this could be really nice, a fleet of Silverblue 00:12:56.552 --> 00:12:57.198 workstations or Kino Knight. 00:12:57.361 --> 00:13:00.500 and this was part of the value sort of promised from adopting more of a 00:13:00.500 --> 00:13:03.082 web-based you know server front-end architecture 00:13:07.881 --> 00:13:10.935 The other thing they have added in the Anaconda web installer now, we haven't talked about this a lot, 00:13:10.935 --> 00:13:13.180 but they now have the option to install to a Stratus storage system setup. 00:13:13.735 --> 00:13:14.380 That's fascinating. 00:13:22.243 --> 00:13:24.730 So Stratus is kind of their red hat solution to ZFS or ButterFS or BcacheFS by trying to kind of stack 00:13:24.730 --> 00:13:27.288 XFS with LVM and other tooling to kind of replicate some of that functionality with a really nice proven 00:13:27.288 --> 00:13:27.460 stack. 00:13:27.580 --> 00:13:28.580 I mean, it's not a horrible idea. 00:13:30.338 --> 00:13:31.780 You just don't hear a lot of people talking about that. 00:13:31.780 --> 00:13:32.580 Very specific, too. 00:13:32.580 --> 00:13:32.840 Yeah. 00:13:37.400 --> 00:13:40.520 But if you can now deploy on top of that from the installer, I don't know if you can create Stratus setup 00:13:42.458 --> 00:13:43.980 So if you're willing to set it up yourself, yeah. 00:13:44.420 --> 00:13:47.960 I do think adding that maybe at one point was a blocking bug, 00:13:48.020 --> 00:13:48.740 although they got a result. 00:13:49.662 --> 00:13:52.780 Or some fallback of them wanting to add this feature 00:13:52.780 --> 00:13:54.437 meant some complications, which figures. 00:13:55.607 --> 00:13:56.600 this release also rolls up 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:57.680 podman 6.0 00:13:58.318 --> 00:13:59.300 Hey, hey, good release. 00:13:59.420 --> 00:14:02.760 Removes slurp for netNS, which is like the user space networking 00:14:02.760 --> 00:14:04.580 that now uses the pasta stack. 00:14:04.899 --> 00:14:05.280 and 00:14:06.501 --> 00:14:07.540 Wes's favorite. 00:14:08.163 --> 00:14:09.160 IPv6 Dan 00:14:09.160 --> 00:14:10.140 network this version of 00:14:10.140 --> 00:14:10.840 network manager 00:14:11.516 --> 00:14:12.800 bring in the IPv6 goodness 00:14:14.665 --> 00:14:17.035 yeah it basically gets kind of full support for ipv6 mostly and it can do some more translation 00:14:20.218 --> 00:14:24.730 for situations where it can't basically doing like what android can do um finally in uh you know 00:14:27.146 --> 00:14:30.040 mainstream linux distribution it should be mostly entirely invisible if you're on like a proper dual 00:14:31.154 --> 00:14:34.920 stack setup and only act only activates where the network is asking for it advertising like this is 00:14:34.920 --> 00:14:35.640 the setup we're using. 00:14:37.353 --> 00:14:40.940 So they now have 12 healthy spins, including a cosmic spin. 00:14:40.940 --> 00:14:44.080 Of course, you've got the Plasma 6.7 release in the Plasma spin. 00:14:45.781 --> 00:14:46.880 You've got GNOME 51 in the main workstation release. 00:14:50.382 --> 00:14:53.060 They're all going to be packing Linux 7.2, GCC 16.2, and Python 13.15. 00:14:53.630 --> 00:14:56.996 I noticed that Silverblue and Kinoite are getting ready-to-go QKO images to go along 00:15:00.947 --> 00:15:01.600 Nice. 00:15:01.643 --> 00:15:03.541 Makes it easier than ever to give them a try. 00:15:03.927 --> 00:15:05.883 So earlier this week, I downloaded the beta ISO, and I fired it up in a VM, 00:15:08.920 --> 00:15:12.300 and it was kind of pokey and I'm like, okay, you know, it's typical VM experience. 00:15:12.500 --> 00:15:15.840 You know, I don't, as if I wanted a good GNOME or if I wanted a good VM experience, 00:15:15.880 --> 00:15:16.618 I probably would try XFCE or Mate or something. 00:15:22.682 --> 00:15:24.938 But as I started updating it, and I think over the time of using it in like under seven days, 00:15:28.408 --> 00:15:32.480 I think I updated 1,600 packages on this thing, if I recall. 00:15:32.620 --> 00:15:34.840 I mean, it was, they were really like slamming it. 00:15:34.920 --> 00:15:35.116 in. 00:15:35.402 --> 00:15:35.760 They're moving. 00:15:36.671 --> 00:15:40.000 and it feels like an entirely different system performance wise. 00:15:40.180 --> 00:15:42.800 I don't know if something changed in the graphic stack because it, 00:15:43.020 --> 00:15:43.774 in particular the interface, 00:15:46.405 --> 00:15:48.180 which felt kind of like I could see, 00:15:48.924 --> 00:15:50.860 like I would describe it as like a low frame rate, you know, 00:15:50.900 --> 00:15:51.587 maybe I was getting like 17, 00:15:52.760 --> 00:15:55.763 15 frames per second when like I would hit the overview button and now it's so 00:15:57.180 --> 00:15:59.020 smooth that I don't notice any delay at all. 00:15:59.100 --> 00:15:59.780 Like it just really, 00:16:01.444 --> 00:16:02.903 really tightened up over the series of updates and, 00:16:03.281 --> 00:16:05.100 And if you're not sure, 00:16:05.100 --> 00:16:06.200 smoother frame scheduling. 00:16:06.400 --> 00:16:07.054 That might help. 00:16:07.900 --> 00:16:08.900 Yeah, reworked in Mutter, 00:16:11.349 --> 00:16:12.340 I wonder if that's what I'm noticing. 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:14.280 So animations are steady under load. 00:16:14.420 --> 00:16:15.500 Screen recording is faster too. 00:16:15.540 --> 00:16:16.233 I don't know if you've tried that. 00:16:16.569 --> 00:16:17.640 Oh, interesting. 00:16:19.123 --> 00:16:20.620 Gnome 51 is in such a good spot. 00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:21.280 It really is. 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:22.300 It's a great desktop. 00:16:23.400 --> 00:16:24.940 And we were just talking in the bootleg. 00:16:25.520 --> 00:16:26.960 If you remember, you should check it out. 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:30.320 They've just recently started working on a formal RFC process. 00:16:32.661 --> 00:16:34.777 It should be interesting because I think that's going to allow them, if it works out, to tackle some 00:16:34.777 --> 00:16:35.391 pretty big technical things. 00:16:35.987 --> 00:16:38.007 And that's going to be exciting, too, because you know that's going to land in Fedora first as it gets 00:16:38.007 --> 00:16:38.245 ironed out. 00:16:39.265 --> 00:16:39.640 Thank you. 00:16:45.907 --> 00:16:48.080 I think if I remember, and please help me remember, next time I try this, I want to go Keenonite again. 00:16:48.180 --> 00:16:51.096 I want to try the Plasma Silver Blue Keenonite spin and just revisit. 00:16:55.326 --> 00:16:58.274 I'm still working on Aurora over here on my main system for the studio and keeping it up to date. 00:17:01.060 --> 00:17:02.378 I'm essentially kind of, you know, keeping up to date with where they're at. 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:05.400 And it's been a pretty good implementation. 00:17:06.159 --> 00:17:09.340 I'm ready to kind of go back and see kind of the, you know, main Fedora implementation. 00:17:09.560 --> 00:17:09.680 Yeah. 00:17:10.385 --> 00:17:11.580 And does it work just as well for me? 00:17:11.580 --> 00:17:13.080 Because if it does, why not just go that route? 00:17:13.661 --> 00:17:13.920 You know? 00:17:15.010 --> 00:17:17.140 So, you know, credit for the team working that out. 00:17:17.140 --> 00:17:18.840 Obviously, the, what was it? 00:17:18.860 --> 00:17:19.320 How did you say? 00:17:19.660 --> 00:17:20.140 Imudra? 00:17:21.020 --> 00:17:21.380 Emudra? 00:17:22.942 --> 00:17:25.101 that e-mudra intermediate certificate issue kind of a curveball in the middle of a development 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:31.475 cycle i'd love to hear an internal story behind that i bet you there's a good story there 00:17:31.892 --> 00:17:32.770 Oh, blank. 00:17:37.084 --> 00:17:41.787 when i first started putting work online building a website was a real project in itself 00:17:45.561 --> 00:17:47.340 hosting the domain figuring out which tools to use a lot of friction before you just get to the 00:17:47.340 --> 00:17:51.515 thing you actually want to share so i tried hostingers ai builder and what surprised me 00:17:52.014 --> 00:17:54.080 is you can build a mock-up before you even create an account. 00:17:54.580 --> 00:17:56.760 You bring your own assets if you want and just prompt your way through it, 00:17:56.760 --> 00:17:57.680 if that's better for you. 00:17:58.265 --> 00:18:00.880 I went the prompt route for most of it, brought some of my own assets, 00:18:01.564 --> 00:18:05.500 and I built a website for my chickens, a page for each one of them in just minutes. 00:18:06.037 --> 00:18:07.480 It doesn't stop at launch either. 00:18:08.401 --> 00:18:09.640 Stuck on what to try next? 00:18:09.820 --> 00:18:12.740 Hostinger's AI agent acts like a built-in specialist for SEO, 00:18:15.918 --> 00:18:16.940 website copy, or even email marketing. 00:18:17.382 --> 00:18:20.420 And right now, Black Friday and Cyber Monday pricing is live. 00:18:20.420 --> 00:18:23.580 premium plans are just $1.99 a month. 00:18:24.100 --> 00:18:26.740 Snag Hostinger's service at their lowest price 00:18:27.282 --> 00:18:28.420 before the sale ends. 00:18:28.860 --> 00:18:31.560 Create your website today for just $1.99. 00:18:32.201 --> 00:18:34.660 Go to Hostinger.com slash unplugged 00:18:34.660 --> 00:18:37.380 and use the code unplugged for an additional 10% 00:18:37.380 --> 00:18:38.805 off the Black Friday and Cyber Monday pricing. 00:18:41.379 --> 00:18:44.586 That is Hostinger.com slash unplugged. 00:18:47.630 --> 00:18:51.940 Well, Chris, this week you teased that you were playing with something that I might like, 00:18:52.950 --> 00:18:56.000 and you were on this for several days and you haven't told me what it is yet. 00:18:56.340 --> 00:18:57.700 What did you get into this week? 00:18:58.069 --> 00:19:03.064 Thank you. 00:19:11.622 --> 00:19:12.760 You're a tooey guy. 00:19:20.425 --> 00:19:23.600