WEBVTT 00:00:11.321 --> 00:00:15.801 Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris. 00:00:15.981 --> 00:00:16.661 My name is Wes. 00:00:16.841 --> 00:00:17.721 And my name is Brent. 00:00:18.101 --> 00:00:22.501 Hello, gentlemen. Coming up on the show this week, how with a bit of hard work 00:00:22.501 --> 00:00:27.081 and a lot of amazing open source, we fully automated and secured a chicken coop, 00:00:27.241 --> 00:00:31.941 an automatic internet failover for the farm, just using Linux. 00:00:32.181 --> 00:00:34.301 And we're going to round out the show with some great booze, 00:00:34.401 --> 00:00:36.421 some awesome pics, and a lot more. 00:00:36.561 --> 00:00:42.261 It's a big show. And before we get there, we've got to say hello to our mumble room. Hello over there. 00:00:42.801 --> 00:00:44.981 Virtual lug. Hey, Chris. Hey, Wes. And hello. Hi. 00:00:45.601 --> 00:00:48.141 Hello up there in the quiet listening, too. 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We're going to go hands-on with our agentic workflows. 00:02:11.529 --> 00:02:16.189 I'm going to go over my multi-agent setup, where I kind of split the task between 00:02:16.189 --> 00:02:20.989 the agents, and how I teach them about a new Home Assistant instance without 00:02:20.989 --> 00:02:22.909 letting them run wild and do unsafe stuff. 00:02:23.609 --> 00:02:25.789 Amongst, I think, a bunch of other stuff. I think we could talk about quite 00:02:25.789 --> 00:02:29.209 a few things. The boys will be there with me on the Friday stream, 00:02:29.929 --> 00:02:34.189 and it's going to be an open mumble room, and we'd love to have you in the chat room as well. 00:02:34.309 --> 00:02:38.129 Yeah, come talk agents. Got questions? You want to share your own setup info. 00:02:38.489 --> 00:02:42.049 Yeah, I mean, full disclosure, part of this is like we just want to gauge interest. 00:02:42.609 --> 00:02:46.349 We want to see if people are interested. And to that end, we have created a 00:02:46.349 --> 00:02:51.169 Telegram group and a Matrix room called Agent Op Guild on Telegram and on Matrix. 00:02:51.329 --> 00:02:52.629 We'll have links in the show notes. 00:02:52.929 --> 00:02:55.569 We'll use those chat rooms during the live stream. But I think that could also 00:02:55.569 --> 00:02:58.449 be a place for the community to just kind of get together and talk about their 00:02:58.449 --> 00:03:01.829 agentic setup without overrunning the main chat room, as it were. 00:03:01.989 --> 00:03:04.829 We'll also try to do a Q&A. So if you have any questions about our setups or 00:03:04.829 --> 00:03:08.209 some of the things we're using agents for. I'd be happy to answer that kind of stuff. 00:03:09.149 --> 00:03:11.009 And we'll just do some live setup. 00:03:12.169 --> 00:03:17.509 And the plan is to try to release a useful clip on the tubes and then probably 00:03:17.509 --> 00:03:20.849 the whole darn thing if it's not too big for the members. 00:03:21.009 --> 00:03:22.869 So if you're a member and you can't make it to the live stream, 00:03:22.969 --> 00:03:24.069 we're going to try to make it available for you. 00:03:24.629 --> 00:03:27.289 Where we put a file that big and all that, we're going to work out. 00:03:27.469 --> 00:03:30.469 It kind of depends on how long the recording goes. But that is our plan at the moment. 00:03:30.809 --> 00:03:35.169 So it'll be Friday, June 12th, 2026 At 2 p.m. Pacific, 5 p.m. 00:03:35.409 --> 00:03:41.669 Eastern 2100 UTC At jblive.tv We'd love to have you there Get a sense if you're 00:03:41.669 --> 00:03:45.489 interested And all that kind of stuff And I've already been brainstorming a 00:03:45.489 --> 00:03:48.569 little bit Of some of the things we could get into I had another idea this morning 00:03:48.569 --> 00:03:49.369 I should have written down There's. 00:03:49.369 --> 00:03:50.349 A lot of good options. 00:03:50.829 --> 00:03:51.769 Maybe we might have. 00:03:51.769 --> 00:03:53.069 To do it more than once I don't know. 00:03:53.069 --> 00:03:56.249 You might, maybe, we'll see So join us this next coming Friday, 00:03:56.389 --> 00:04:00.649 June 12th Jblive.tv we would love to see you there, 00:04:04.383 --> 00:04:07.623 Okay, so we had a basic premise. 00:04:08.103 --> 00:04:13.383 Could Linux save the vacation? The core problem is my RV leaves the farm and 00:04:13.383 --> 00:04:16.463 all of the infrastructure, the internet, all of the sensors, 00:04:16.683 --> 00:04:21.243 all of the automations, the time, the weather, everything runs through my RV. 00:04:21.463 --> 00:04:25.063 Or at least you'd like to be able to leave. When was the last time you did leave? 00:04:25.083 --> 00:04:27.463 Well, I can't. I've built a dependency 00:04:27.463 --> 00:04:30.323 around it. I literally would not be able to leave. Cannot leave. 00:04:30.563 --> 00:04:36.063 Stuck. And not only do I want to be able to leave, but I want to be able to leave and nothing dies. 00:04:36.343 --> 00:04:40.103 Initially for a week and then ultimately two weeks is what I figure. 00:04:40.383 --> 00:04:45.203 So that is the core premise is we have that problem to solve during Linux Fest 00:04:45.203 --> 00:04:50.063 as, you know, a power team with producer Jeff and producer Jason and Wes and Brent. 00:04:50.163 --> 00:04:52.643 Could we come together and put all this together? 00:04:52.843 --> 00:04:55.623 It's kind of funny. You get the chickens. You didn't really. 00:04:55.943 --> 00:04:58.703 I mean, you mentioned you didn't necessarily plan to get the chickens anyway. 00:04:58.963 --> 00:04:59.663 He says that. 00:04:59.663 --> 00:05:03.123 That comes with also not planning about a lot of chicken infrastructure. 00:05:03.463 --> 00:05:04.723 Yeah. Yeah, a lot. 00:05:04.963 --> 00:05:06.083 And not just... 00:05:06.661 --> 00:05:07.941 Not just the stuff you expect. 00:05:08.221 --> 00:05:12.141 No, in fact, oh, my gosh. And then actually, as we started building this out, 00:05:13.241 --> 00:05:15.141 my kids started moving in. 00:05:15.321 --> 00:05:18.721 So, like, then I had to add infrastructure because they have their own buildings 00:05:18.721 --> 00:05:21.401 they're in on the farm. And so I had to provide infrastructure to that. 00:05:21.961 --> 00:05:25.061 It just started to – the scope creep was real with this one. 00:05:25.161 --> 00:05:29.801 And we had a few things to work with. We had a Odroid H3 Plus sitting around. 00:05:30.521 --> 00:05:35.461 And we had a lot of Wi-Fi devices we could experiment with to try to extend 00:05:35.461 --> 00:05:37.601 the Wi-Fi network or do something like that. 00:05:37.881 --> 00:05:42.161 So we figured, let's take everything we do have and see what we can make work. 00:05:42.421 --> 00:05:45.541 Because right now, like, Joops was just the support, like everything, 00:05:45.641 --> 00:05:46.941 right? Joops cast a Wi-Fi net. 00:05:47.081 --> 00:05:50.721 You have Starlink and some fancy routing over there to have robust access. 00:05:50.981 --> 00:05:54.241 Yeah, we have some cell backup over there. And then everything was just hanging 00:05:54.241 --> 00:06:00.421 off the edge of that. And the further away you move, the worse the signal got. And if you disappear. 00:06:00.641 --> 00:06:02.081 The whole thing comes crumbling down. 00:06:02.241 --> 00:06:03.321 If I leave it, yeah, it's totally gone. 00:06:03.681 --> 00:06:06.581 And JOOPS is a bit of a Faraday cage, too, if you think about it. 00:06:06.761 --> 00:06:11.201 There is that, too. So the first thing we tried is wireless, 00:06:11.341 --> 00:06:13.581 right? We tried, like, wireless extenders and all of that. 00:06:13.701 --> 00:06:16.201 But that just didn't work out too well, did it there, Brentley? 00:06:17.161 --> 00:06:21.421 No, it turns out wireless is not the most dependable when you're trying, 00:06:21.421 --> 00:06:25.681 Well, basically when you're trying to blast it into a whole neighborhood, 00:06:26.021 --> 00:06:30.561 let's say, of different RVs and trailers that all your loved ones are staying in. 00:06:30.941 --> 00:06:37.561 So we used probably way too many napkins to draw out various versions of network diagrams. 00:06:37.721 --> 00:06:41.041 Can we do it this way? Can we do it that way? What if we put these two napkins together? 00:06:41.421 --> 00:06:45.921 And we eventually got to the point where we were ready to pull some hardware. 00:06:46.321 --> 00:06:51.501 And that includes basically cables. We decided, Wi-Fi's gotta go. 00:06:51.741 --> 00:06:54.961 It's not good enough, it's not reliable enough. You know what's great? 00:06:55.461 --> 00:07:01.561 Ethernet. And we somehow, on the farm, found these giant rolls of ethernet cable 00:07:01.561 --> 00:07:03.341 that are ready to go and perfect for what we needed. 00:07:03.781 --> 00:07:07.981 So we wanted to pull all of that. The only problem is, 00:07:09.342 --> 00:07:12.302 It's a little bit of work to do that, but we had a whole team. 00:07:12.802 --> 00:07:16.742 PJ got up nice and early to get the old Odroid set up. 00:07:17.022 --> 00:07:21.662 I probably slept another three hours by the time he had that all nice and going. 00:07:22.122 --> 00:07:25.062 He arrived early on the farm that morning with the Odroid in hand, 00:07:25.242 --> 00:07:27.442 loaded with a base Nix OS install. It was great. 00:07:27.682 --> 00:07:28.262 Deployment day. 00:07:28.702 --> 00:07:31.062 You really can't ask for better service than that. 00:07:32.122 --> 00:07:36.502 But it turns out someone had to do the physical layer. 00:07:36.502 --> 00:07:41.002 so we thought about it and we had this great plan but someone had to actually 00:07:41.002 --> 00:07:45.382 pull the stuff so we wanted to run the ethernet and the problem is it needed 00:07:45.382 --> 00:07:49.282 to run to jupes without being a tripping hazard without vehicles running over 00:07:49.282 --> 00:07:54.322 this ethernet and uh well we had to do some work. 00:07:55.962 --> 00:07:56.842 And he's happy, 00:08:00.785 --> 00:08:04.565 There we go. It was hard for them to nail the old transporter animation. 00:08:04.765 --> 00:08:06.325 That's just technology has just come so far. 00:08:06.545 --> 00:08:11.385 This is a classic work clip of ours. PJ's over there digging a trench and the 00:08:11.385 --> 00:08:12.645 rest of us are watching Star Trek. 00:08:12.905 --> 00:08:18.125 Yeah, we often have a vote and somehow PJ always ends up being the one that has to do the trenching. 00:08:18.745 --> 00:08:21.565 Well, he doesn't like straws, so he gets the shortest one. 00:08:22.445 --> 00:08:27.105 I'm not so sure about his form on that ditch digging, but he got it done. 00:08:27.245 --> 00:08:32.445 I think we might have helped him a little bit. And producer Jason somehow took his shirt off. 00:08:32.565 --> 00:08:35.725 But the trench got dug and the cable got pulled. 00:08:36.025 --> 00:08:41.485 And additionally, on top of all of that, you guys also installed the Connect 00:08:41.485 --> 00:08:45.545 and Internet on the top of the barn with official, you know, 00:08:45.625 --> 00:08:49.445 like high position pointed at the LTE and 5G tower. 00:08:49.545 --> 00:08:52.645 So there was multiple barn climbings that happened in this process, too. 00:08:52.785 --> 00:08:55.985 And then scaling the barn to run the Ethernet cable as well. 00:08:56.325 --> 00:09:00.445 So there was definitely some adventures. And this, I don't know, 00:09:00.825 --> 00:09:03.325 how high up is that barn? 15? Oh, yeah. 00:09:03.765 --> 00:09:07.625 No, it's probably 17 feet, maybe. 00:09:08.125 --> 00:09:09.905 We had to get that super heavy ladder. 00:09:10.925 --> 00:09:13.845 Yeah, that was the hardest part of the whole project, was finding the right 00:09:13.845 --> 00:09:18.925 ladder to get up there so that PJ could dangle from his toenails off the roof 00:09:18.925 --> 00:09:20.465 and put some infrastructure up there. 00:09:22.485 --> 00:09:27.045 But then we had to like, you know, consider putting all this hardware outside 00:09:27.045 --> 00:09:30.485 because when you leave, like there's not a building. 00:09:30.505 --> 00:09:38.325 There is a barn roof that a couple of your infrastructure pieces are under. 00:09:38.485 --> 00:09:41.145 And that's really useful because it doesn't get direct rain, 00:09:41.245 --> 00:09:45.585 but there's bugs, there's like humidity, there's all sorts of stuff you need to consider. 00:09:45.765 --> 00:09:48.925 So we put the Odroid in a box. 00:09:48.925 --> 00:09:52.225 we found this beautiful outdoor enclosure that 00:09:52.225 --> 00:09:55.685 is a picture like an outdoor electrical junction 00:09:55.685 --> 00:10:01.125 box it's water resistant so it has nice enclosures with seals and everything 00:10:01.125 --> 00:10:07.225 and has an internal mounting panel which is like a grid on the inside of this 00:10:07.225 --> 00:10:11.225 thing that you can screw all the components down i think that is the most important 00:10:11.225 --> 00:10:13.725 part of this thing it makes it so easy Yes. 00:10:13.745 --> 00:10:16.445 No hot glue in this particular build. 00:10:17.465 --> 00:10:19.445 It also has vents on the side. 00:10:19.565 --> 00:10:23.685 Which is really nice. Yeah, cooling vents. So, yeah, using just a standard enclosed 00:10:23.685 --> 00:10:27.565 box is not good because, obviously, computer get toasty, right? 00:10:27.805 --> 00:10:29.485 Computer get very toasty, yes. 00:10:29.745 --> 00:10:33.425 And you loved this particular one because it had a hinged cover, 00:10:33.465 --> 00:10:37.065 which meant you could just open it instead of having to take the cover off and 00:10:37.065 --> 00:10:38.025 figure out where to put that. 00:10:38.025 --> 00:10:45.585 the enclosure is about 16 inches by 11 inches and 6 inches tall and it, 00:10:46.305 --> 00:10:49.825 big but once we got everything in there it was like oh no actually this is just 00:10:49.825 --> 00:10:53.205 right it's cozy in there so the thing surprisingly. 00:10:53.205 --> 00:10:55.485 Cozy yeah it. 00:10:55.485 --> 00:11:01.245 Took us a few goes to position everything so that the door could close but we 00:11:01.245 --> 00:11:04.885 did get a bunch of hardware in there so the odroid h3 that we keep mentioning 00:11:04.885 --> 00:11:09.825 definitely took center stage uh but we did also squeeze a few other things in 00:11:09.825 --> 00:11:13.125 there Two Netgear 5-port gigabit dumb switches, 00:11:13.465 --> 00:11:17.645 and specifically one of those is for the Joops LAN. 00:11:17.945 --> 00:11:22.585 So Lady Joops, the RV, and the other one, well, we decided to call the Chicken 00:11:22.585 --> 00:11:26.565 LAN because that's going to handle everything that never moves. 00:11:26.565 --> 00:11:29.925 It stays on the farm. So when Joops leaves, that's the Chicken LAN. 00:11:30.205 --> 00:11:33.905 We also squeezed in a couple other things. Chris, you had the bright idea of 00:11:33.905 --> 00:11:39.605 sticking a Nano KVM in there. So having a little IPKVM when you're away and 00:11:39.605 --> 00:11:41.945 trying to troubleshoot is a fantastic idea. 00:11:42.125 --> 00:11:45.165 It's this little tiny cute thing, so it didn't even take up much room. 00:11:46.528 --> 00:11:51.348 Also, you pulled out this Coral TPU that just plugs in via USB. 00:11:51.668 --> 00:11:54.108 I don't know where you got that thing, but you threw that in there too, 00:11:54.108 --> 00:11:55.948 and we made sure there was a spot for it. 00:11:56.928 --> 00:12:01.048 And for a little foreshadowing, coming soon to the box near you, 00:12:01.208 --> 00:12:05.468 there will be a temperature sensor and maybe even a DC fan. 00:12:05.928 --> 00:12:11.288 Yeah. Yeah, it does have passive cooling. But every day that I run that with 00:12:11.288 --> 00:12:13.908 the box closed, my MVME is overheating. 00:12:14.348 --> 00:12:18.208 The MVME sits on the bottom of the Odroid. beneath the CPU, and there's definitely 00:12:18.208 --> 00:12:21.588 some heat-soaked pass-through. Plus, the O-Droid's kind of up against a wall. 00:12:21.988 --> 00:12:26.588 Do you think maybe that's our biggest mistake, is we mounted the O-Droid at 00:12:26.588 --> 00:12:31.828 the top of the box and left a little bit of space, but didn't realize it would just cook there? 00:12:31.888 --> 00:12:34.788 So that's on me. That's on me. Or I can blame Jeff, right? 00:12:34.948 --> 00:12:37.948 Yeah, I guess that's probably the biggest design mistake. You know, 00:12:37.948 --> 00:12:41.208 we'll get into some— we had some other problems that we came up as we get into 00:12:41.208 --> 00:12:44.768 this, but that was probably— the heat is the biggest issue, but I have active 00:12:44.768 --> 00:12:49.348 cooling, so that hopefully will work but it is going to require a bit of a redesign, 00:12:50.208 --> 00:12:53.828 because the Ethernet cables and whatnot are all in the way of the cooling but you know, 00:12:54.911 --> 00:12:58.091 Not too surprising. Honestly, these things usually take a V1 or V2. 00:12:58.911 --> 00:13:02.691 And it's been a good kind of a stress test for some of your monitoring and metrics 00:13:02.691 --> 00:13:04.231 so that you can actually track it, right? 00:13:04.371 --> 00:13:09.591 It has shown that works. And, you know, besides the O-Droid, 00:13:09.811 --> 00:13:12.451 there's a lot of gear in there, including them switches. 00:13:13.691 --> 00:13:18.651 Yes, there are. You mentioned that, Brantley. There's two switches in there. 00:13:19.311 --> 00:13:22.851 One of them's on the chicken land side. And I think this is the one that, 00:13:22.911 --> 00:13:24.411 like, was always kind of in the plan. 00:13:24.911 --> 00:13:29.011 because it kind of establishes like a little layer two backbone for all the 00:13:29.011 --> 00:13:33.071 stuff that might go into building out a nice setup on the farm side. 00:13:33.471 --> 00:13:38.331 And underneath the Odroid, it comes with two Nicks right built in, right? 00:13:38.531 --> 00:13:42.371 So that already meant it was pretty easy. We could just kind of set that up. 00:13:42.511 --> 00:13:47.331 And during some of our testing, we actually didn't have necessarily a switch 00:13:47.331 --> 00:13:53.091 on both sides because the side that connects back up to the Joupes and to the 00:13:53.091 --> 00:13:54.411 main gateway out Thank you. 00:13:55.303 --> 00:13:58.503 Ultimately, it just needs to be a bridge there, right? As we built this out, 00:13:58.583 --> 00:14:02.103 we decided it would probably be easier both so we could connect in and troubleshoot 00:14:02.103 --> 00:14:04.503 and just because we had access to the hardware, 00:14:04.763 --> 00:14:07.903 bake it in there, kind of lay things out so it was easy to see and organize 00:14:07.903 --> 00:14:12.563 and reason about, to put a switch coming off both of those interfaces. 00:14:12.963 --> 00:14:15.883 We'll get into more about why that ended up mattering. 00:14:15.883 --> 00:14:21.463 Yeah, but the idea is nice. You know, you have a chicken LAN and a jupes LAN, 00:14:21.463 --> 00:14:25.063 and if you have a laptop or something, you can plug into either LAN for troubleshooting. 00:14:25.263 --> 00:14:28.003 You don't have to unplug anything on the Android itself or do any fussing. 00:14:28.103 --> 00:14:29.263 They're just open ports available. 00:14:29.523 --> 00:14:34.323 And those, like, eight-port Netgear gigabit switches, they're cheap enough that 00:14:34.323 --> 00:14:35.763 it's like, okay, maybe I'll just do two. 00:14:36.083 --> 00:14:39.963 Yeah. And you didn't have to reason about, like, which Ethernet port are you going to plug in? 00:14:40.063 --> 00:14:40.203 Yeah. 00:14:40.283 --> 00:14:42.423 And the plan was Brent was going to put labels on the switches. 00:14:42.623 --> 00:14:42.803 Right. 00:14:42.943 --> 00:14:43.863 Which I don't know if that happened. 00:14:43.963 --> 00:14:46.903 I don't think that did happen. And that probably is why we'll have the issues 00:14:46.903 --> 00:14:48.723 we got. It we'll get into later. Yeah. 00:14:49.283 --> 00:14:54.183 Sorry, guys. But the Odroid needs all this because it's got a big job. 00:14:54.443 --> 00:14:54.683 You know? 00:14:54.843 --> 00:14:58.983 I mean, it's got a route between the Joops land and the Chicken land where appropriate, provide internet. 00:14:59.543 --> 00:15:04.023 It also needs to be kind of the backbone of the new Chicken land itself, right? 00:15:04.043 --> 00:15:09.663 So, like, you want those modern niceties like DNS and DHCP, some of the basics. 00:15:10.163 --> 00:15:12.743 And then you want it to go beyond just the basics. 00:15:12.863 --> 00:15:13.323 Of course. 00:15:13.323 --> 00:15:17.343 This is some of the real goal here, right, which is you've spent a lot of time 00:15:17.343 --> 00:15:21.823 setting yourself up a robust connection to the Internet as good as you can get 00:15:21.823 --> 00:15:24.503 for your mobile van life lifestyle. 00:15:24.763 --> 00:15:26.903 Got a decent Starlink connection these days. 00:15:27.103 --> 00:15:29.043 Right. But then you also have like your PEPLink device, right, 00:15:29.143 --> 00:15:30.583 that can bridge to cellular. 00:15:31.023 --> 00:15:32.023 Multiple networks, yeah. 00:15:32.203 --> 00:15:37.243 And so if that is available on the farm, you would like things to be able to use that, right? Right. 00:15:37.992 --> 00:15:41.912 But you need a solution so that you can actually leave, and that's where you 00:15:41.912 --> 00:15:45.952 want to fail over to that Connectin up on the roof, and that'll be the main 00:15:45.952 --> 00:15:47.532 gateway while JOOPS is gone. 00:15:47.612 --> 00:15:52.812 That's the plan. So the idea would be JOOPS leaves, the chicken LAN stays online, 00:15:52.832 --> 00:15:58.572 it fails over to the Connectin backup internet connection, which is plugged 00:15:58.572 --> 00:16:01.932 into a third NIC we have on the Odroid, which is a USB NIC. 00:16:01.932 --> 00:16:05.352 So you've got one Nick in the Joops land, one Nick in the chicken land, 00:16:05.372 --> 00:16:08.132 and one Nick right connected to the connected internet. 00:16:08.532 --> 00:16:13.592 And that's just there for when the Joops side of the network goes away. 00:16:13.692 --> 00:16:15.152 It becomes like the backup land port. 00:16:17.603 --> 00:16:22.823 And that's the lay of the land. So you can kind of see the O-Droid sits at the 00:16:22.823 --> 00:16:23.963 intersection of all of that. 00:16:24.063 --> 00:16:27.543 And then we've got stuff like it's using SystemD NetworkD under the hood. 00:16:27.823 --> 00:16:31.063 Kind of learned a lot from building out Hediya's office network, right? 00:16:31.203 --> 00:16:36.103 So then we've got like NF tables doing some of the basic like masquerading and 00:16:36.103 --> 00:16:37.443 routing between things. 00:16:38.043 --> 00:16:39.963 And of course, that means we 00:16:39.963 --> 00:16:44.463 also put a little Home Assistant OS on there running in a virtual machine. 00:16:44.463 --> 00:16:48.463 Yeah, and that is, you know, one of the nice things about having the isolated 00:16:48.463 --> 00:16:53.283 chicken network is I don't have the two home assistant servers kind of conflicting, 00:16:53.463 --> 00:16:57.083 auto-discovering the same things, trying to take over the same remote speakers. 00:16:57.303 --> 00:17:00.643 They don't even really see each other. They're totally isolated. 00:17:00.903 --> 00:17:03.963 Right, and so it works. It's like basically the home assistant that's running 00:17:03.963 --> 00:17:09.723 on the Odroid is just bridged via a bridge that only has the chicken land nick 00:17:09.723 --> 00:17:11.643 in it, which then goes and talks to the chicken land switch. 00:17:11.863 --> 00:17:14.323 And so it just, its network is the chicken land. 00:17:14.463 --> 00:17:18.863 Though the nice little piece of secret sauce that we came up with when we were 00:17:18.863 --> 00:17:21.723 napkinning this out was Nebula. 00:17:22.283 --> 00:17:26.103 Because then you also add the VM to the Nebula interface. 00:17:26.323 --> 00:17:29.663 And then I have a Nebula interface on my other systems. So even though they're 00:17:29.663 --> 00:17:34.403 on separate isolated networks, I still have a Nebula IP to get to the Home Assistant 00:17:34.403 --> 00:17:35.323 dashboard and all of that. 00:17:35.483 --> 00:17:37.743 Or anything I need. The frigate, whatever it might be. 00:17:37.943 --> 00:17:41.643 So the Nebula piece, so it's totally isolated. The Nebula comes on and the two 00:17:41.643 --> 00:17:43.203 systems I need to talk to each other can do it. 00:17:43.852 --> 00:17:47.572 Great yeah and you do kind of have a layered approach here right because um 00:17:47.572 --> 00:17:51.692 just as like another access we did end up because the peplink has this functionality 00:17:51.692 --> 00:17:55.592 we did end up adding a static route so like if you do want automated jobs or 00:17:55.592 --> 00:18:00.292 just to access something not via the nebula mesh you have direct access um or 00:18:00.292 --> 00:18:03.152 if you know it wants to optimize and make sure it takes the fastest route yeah. 00:18:03.152 --> 00:18:04.592 My jupes default gateway has that now. 00:18:04.592 --> 00:18:08.592 Yeah so if you are hanging out in jupes when you want to just be able to ssh 00:18:08.592 --> 00:18:12.792 right ssh right over to the chicken land uh the local infrastructure knows how to handle that. 00:18:13.012 --> 00:18:15.292 But at the same time, if that's not available. 00:18:15.612 --> 00:18:16.012 You're mobile. 00:18:17.272 --> 00:18:22.332 Yeah, exactly. Then you always have the Nebula fallback or primary mesh network 00:18:22.332 --> 00:18:24.032 domain names and all that set up. 00:18:24.192 --> 00:18:28.032 Yeah. All the name resolution still works. It's so nice. Wes did a lot of the 00:18:28.032 --> 00:18:30.992 heavy lift on the router config and the DNS config there. 00:18:31.552 --> 00:18:35.932 And it's one of those where we started early during Linux Fest and we got the 00:18:35.932 --> 00:18:39.932 initial stuff figured out. But then as time went on, the boys went home. 00:18:40.072 --> 00:18:42.032 Everybody went back to their own places. 00:18:42.292 --> 00:18:44.972 And then I'm just sort of there doing all the physical stuff. 00:18:45.992 --> 00:18:47.292 Because I can remote in, but yeah. 00:18:47.572 --> 00:18:50.952 Well, yeah, right. Once Ambulo's there, then I could go kind of get back to 00:18:50.952 --> 00:18:52.512 the system and go poke with things. 00:18:52.732 --> 00:18:54.732 And it's not that crazy, right? Because a lot of it was just, 00:18:54.952 --> 00:18:58.572 like you were saying, kind of have the right appropriate network segregation 00:18:58.572 --> 00:19:02.092 sort of for defaults and what's going to be on the real networks on both sides. 00:19:02.332 --> 00:19:06.832 And then make sure you have the flat mesh view where you need for all the admin and automation stuff. 00:19:06.972 --> 00:19:11.752 Mm-hmm. It did mean, though, like anything networking level that we had to test. I was always like. 00:19:11.952 --> 00:19:14.592 Oh. You were, yeah. Well, there might have been a few times where I was like, 00:19:14.652 --> 00:19:16.252 hey, Chris, can you reboot that? 00:19:16.352 --> 00:19:19.792 Because I can't get back in. Hence the nano KVM. 00:19:20.512 --> 00:19:20.872 Exactly. 00:19:21.692 --> 00:19:25.592 Did you actually test if all of this work works? 00:19:25.752 --> 00:19:28.092 Well, we did an initial test as we were building it out. 00:19:28.292 --> 00:19:30.052 Yeah. Yeah. That worked. 00:19:30.292 --> 00:19:30.672 Yeah, it did. 00:19:30.792 --> 00:19:33.832 That initial test, that one definitely worked. But then I thought. 00:19:34.857 --> 00:19:38.337 Well, the right thing to do would be to test it now before the show. 00:19:38.517 --> 00:19:41.657 Right. You need, like, a real test now that, like, because a lot has changed. 00:19:41.897 --> 00:19:45.217 Like, you had to go back in the box several times and mess around with things. 00:19:45.357 --> 00:19:50.877 Got to make sure it works, right? So I replicated Joop's quote-unquote leaving, right? 00:19:51.017 --> 00:19:56.957 I went over and I disconnected the Ethernet cable from Joop's and wanted to see what happened. 00:19:57.537 --> 00:20:01.357 Okay, the job's not finished until we do a failover test. 00:20:01.357 --> 00:20:06.737 so I am on the Henternet, which is the Wi-Fi for the chicken coop, 00:20:06.917 --> 00:20:12.157 and I'm going to disconnect the LadyJoop's Ethernet line, and then the system 00:20:12.157 --> 00:20:13.957 should fall over to the backup Internet. 00:20:14.777 --> 00:20:16.857 Okay, LadyJoop's Internet line disconnected. 00:20:18.477 --> 00:20:20.337 Okay, we do have, 00:20:23.077 --> 00:20:26.037 Nextcloud's asking me to log in. Go away, Nextcloud, not right now. 00:20:27.437 --> 00:20:33.757 Uh-oh, Wes. The pings are not continuing oh no we may have more work to do, 00:20:36.308 --> 00:20:37.608 Of course, it worked in testing. 00:20:38.608 --> 00:20:42.468 It was one of those things, too. I was like, what did we do wrong? 00:20:42.648 --> 00:20:45.368 And it kind of occurred to me afterwards. And you picked up on it. 00:20:46.088 --> 00:20:50.588 You hinted at it. Earlier when we had tested, we were just, all right, 00:20:50.648 --> 00:20:54.648 well, we'll disconnect the Ethernet from the NIC on the back of the O-Droid. 00:20:54.688 --> 00:20:57.088 Because we were kind of thinking through, like, you would have sort of like 00:20:57.088 --> 00:20:59.768 a launch procedure, right? Like, you're a disconnect before you, 00:20:59.768 --> 00:21:01.348 like, sort of take jupes away. 00:21:01.448 --> 00:21:03.588 Yeah, like a checklist. And one of the things, I just unplugged it. 00:21:03.588 --> 00:21:08.528 and then like we mentioned we decided later on introduce the switch so the problem 00:21:08.528 --> 00:21:13.088 is is with the switch now between the odroid and the jupes network the switch 00:21:13.088 --> 00:21:16.928 provides an active link so the kernel isn't detecting link down. 00:21:16.928 --> 00:21:20.668 Yeah and before we can kind of set things up with different routing priorities 00:21:20.668 --> 00:21:26.208 and so it would just prefer uh to go out that link if it was available and if 00:21:26.208 --> 00:21:30.308 we took the cable out the link would go down and the kernel would just handle it. 00:21:30.308 --> 00:21:33.688 Which would still work if i hadn't introduced the fancy switch that would have 00:21:33.688 --> 00:21:37.788 worked and it you know so if you don't need a fancy boy switch then this part 00:21:37.788 --> 00:21:41.428 would have worked we're just relying on link down default routing priorities 00:21:41.428 --> 00:21:43.688 however we had to come up with a bit of a solution. 00:21:43.688 --> 00:21:46.648 Yeah um how about a 00:21:46.648 --> 00:21:49.668 fun new sidecar of course demon yeah 00:21:49.668 --> 00:21:55.788 man so okay so the basic idea right is uh we have two potential routes or at 00:21:55.788 --> 00:22:01.228 least you know in theory at most and so we have the preferred primary out through 00:22:01.228 --> 00:22:05.168 jupes and startlink and so the daemon can sit and ping that way and go check 00:22:05.168 --> 00:22:07.368 to see if connectivity is actually working yeah. 00:22:07.368 --> 00:22:08.188 It's just a basic ping. 00:22:08.188 --> 00:22:11.068 Yeah and then if not under you 00:22:11.068 --> 00:22:14.608 know sort of configurable conditions you can choose how many times does it have 00:22:14.608 --> 00:22:18.308 to fail over what kind of period or whatever if it can't actually get to the 00:22:18.308 --> 00:22:24.788 internet that way it will automatically go bump the priority of the backup wan 00:22:24.788 --> 00:22:28.428 route so that it automatically handles that and goes out the connecting. 00:22:28.668 --> 00:22:30.788 But that's not it because... 00:22:32.071 --> 00:22:36.591 What happens if Jupes shows back up or, you know, the Starlink outage goes away or whatever it is? 00:22:36.871 --> 00:22:41.991 It also does, after four successful primary probes trying to go check back out 00:22:41.991 --> 00:22:44.771 the Starlink route, if it's like, oh, yes, it seems like safely, 00:22:44.771 --> 00:22:49.991 we've got like solid connection back on the primary side, it removes the managed 00:22:49.991 --> 00:22:51.231 backup route that we added, 00:22:51.431 --> 00:22:53.691 and things fall back to the standard steady state. 00:22:54.071 --> 00:22:56.211 That was the hope. So we put it to the test. 00:22:56.371 --> 00:22:56.811 That's the plan, yeah. 00:22:58.411 --> 00:23:06.451 Okay so round two i've got the ping going and i am going to disconnect the jupes 00:23:06.451 --> 00:23:13.631 ethernet line from the switch all right so we've disconnected the ethernet line from the switch, 00:23:14.931 --> 00:23:22.391 and as expected our ping has stopped now what i realized last time is that i 00:23:22.391 --> 00:23:27.991 may actually have to initiate a new ping because I'm not doing like super fancy traffic management. 00:23:28.411 --> 00:23:31.211 I'm just switching default routes and stuff. 00:23:31.391 --> 00:23:35.451 So I think number one is it will interrupt an existing stream, 00:23:35.451 --> 00:23:39.911 but then if you restart, I think it'll work. Oh, look at that. It's working. 00:23:43.651 --> 00:23:49.371 Yes. Yes, it works. Well done. Okay. How about that chicken? 00:23:50.591 --> 00:23:55.911 Yeah? You think so, boss? I agree. It's great, isn't it? 00:23:57.491 --> 00:23:59.991 There you go, chickens. You've got internet even when I leave. 00:24:03.371 --> 00:24:06.371 They're pretty excited. I don't know if you could tell. They're pretty excited. 00:24:06.551 --> 00:24:10.391 I'm pretty excited. And also the kids have internet when I leave now because 00:24:10.391 --> 00:24:12.251 they're old enough now where sometimes they don't want to go. 00:24:12.491 --> 00:24:17.411 I mean, it really kind of turns the whole barn setup into its own first-class entity. 00:24:17.651 --> 00:24:20.191 It does. And it means we can run cameras around the property. 00:24:20.191 --> 00:24:25.871 It also means we can extend this out to the barn because all of this was really 00:24:25.871 --> 00:24:30.911 just to build the infrastructure for the actual project. Yeah. 00:24:33.442 --> 00:24:39.002 I want to take a moment and thank Connected Internet promo code Jupiter35 to take $35 off your order. 00:24:39.122 --> 00:24:41.762 They hooked me up to try out the hardware, so I said, hey, I love it, 00:24:41.822 --> 00:24:43.022 and I'd like to tell the audience about it. 00:24:43.402 --> 00:24:45.242 This will probably be one of the last times I mention it because they're not 00:24:45.242 --> 00:24:47.482 a sponsor, but it's a great thing they have going right now. 00:24:47.662 --> 00:24:50.902 $35 off your entire order when you use promo code Jupiter35. 00:24:51.762 --> 00:24:54.702 They have unlimited priority data. You've got to pay a little bit extra, 00:24:54.862 --> 00:24:58.862 but I'm talking about the stuff that's like the business class that you don't get squashed. 00:24:59.242 --> 00:25:01.862 And they also have cheaper unlimited data if you're willing to live with just 00:25:01.862 --> 00:25:03.002 whatever the carrier wants to give you. 00:25:03.442 --> 00:25:06.302 But the thing that I think is really great about them is you just pay them a 00:25:06.302 --> 00:25:10.822 flat, reasonable rate, and they live on top of the four major carriers in the U.S. 00:25:10.842 --> 00:25:14.642 and Canada and auto-select between them for whatever has the best signal and data in your area. 00:25:14.842 --> 00:25:18.722 The other thing they've recently done is they've introduced a $39 a month plan, 00:25:18.742 --> 00:25:20.642 which is just for backup internet. 00:25:20.782 --> 00:25:23.122 Think about that. You want to do what I'm doing? 00:25:24.202 --> 00:25:29.262 $39 a month, you use it when it's online? Oh, except for they built in all the 00:25:29.262 --> 00:25:32.822 – if you want to use theirs because it's like on OpenWRT. They built in all 00:25:32.822 --> 00:25:33.822 the auto switchover stuff. 00:25:34.582 --> 00:25:38.022 I'm not even kidding. Like I finished this whole setup. We got all done like 00:25:38.022 --> 00:25:40.302 maybe what? Two weeks ago or something? 00:25:41.082 --> 00:25:44.742 And then they released this. And now you can just get it. And it's $39 a month. 00:25:44.802 --> 00:25:47.442 You get the backup internet and it comes with the open WRT device that just 00:25:47.442 --> 00:25:49.802 handles all of the failover, auto checking, health checking, 00:25:49.942 --> 00:25:51.282 all of it. It's pretty great. 00:25:51.842 --> 00:25:56.882 Or you can go with the thing I have, the big seven antenna beast that we have 00:25:56.882 --> 00:25:57.982 up there on the barn roof now. 00:25:58.242 --> 00:26:01.482 So go to connectininternet.com. That's connectininternet.com. 00:26:01.482 --> 00:26:02.562 We'll have a link in the show notes. 00:26:02.922 --> 00:26:06.402 And the promo code is Jupiter35. Shout out to those guys. 00:26:06.602 --> 00:26:10.022 My understanding is the Brent and Jeff installation is not included, though. 00:26:10.462 --> 00:26:13.342 No, but highly recommended. Highly recommended. 00:26:16.660 --> 00:26:21.740 Well, now that it took a couple weeks for us to get the physical layer solved 00:26:21.740 --> 00:26:28.820 with some trenches dug and roofs climbed and everything now failing over properly, 00:26:28.820 --> 00:26:31.480 it's time to get to the real project. 00:26:31.780 --> 00:26:34.520 Oh, oh, boys. 00:26:34.860 --> 00:26:35.900 What's the real project again? 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:39.400 Getting the coop automated so nothing dies. We don't want anything to die. 00:26:39.820 --> 00:26:40.340 Right, right, right. 00:26:40.340 --> 00:26:43.460 The coop, right, and the chickens. Yeah, okay, right. That was the premise. 00:26:43.460 --> 00:26:47.700 Of course. The right thing to do is just automate everything as much as possible. 00:26:48.380 --> 00:26:51.820 Go shoot for a week, then go for two weeks, see how long I can keep going, 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:53.320 push it out as far as I can. 00:26:53.660 --> 00:26:57.120 So you got to automate everything, which means you need a foundation, 00:26:57.300 --> 00:27:02.420 boys, a foundation of Home Assistant and also Z-Wave. 00:27:02.820 --> 00:27:07.820 I'm going all in on Z-Wave with the setup using the Home Assistant Connect ZWA-2, 00:27:08.100 --> 00:27:11.200 which is their big old antenna. It's a monster. 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.220 This is the alien sort of communications tech looking one. 00:27:14.320 --> 00:27:17.520 Yeah, I think you could actually have a Z-Wave device in space and it would 00:27:17.520 --> 00:27:19.640 still communicate with this thing. I'm pretty sure that's how that works. 00:27:20.140 --> 00:27:21.940 Did you climb the roof to put that up? 00:27:22.220 --> 00:27:26.380 No, it's just sitting on top of the box with all its power. Super clean home 00:27:26.380 --> 00:27:29.120 assistant integration. So nice. 00:27:29.860 --> 00:27:30.660 USB-C. 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:35.640 Yeah, and easily flashable. The hen house door is automated. 00:27:36.020 --> 00:27:38.760 It is called the omelet door. 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:41.159 A smart Wi-Fi door. 00:27:41.379 --> 00:27:41.859 I love that name. 00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:47.899 And you can use it to connect to Home Assistant using a community add-on. 00:27:48.099 --> 00:27:52.619 And I can open and close the henhouse door from Home Assistant. I can set timers. 00:27:52.779 --> 00:27:56.099 And it's like a local, it's able to talk over the LAN? 00:27:56.199 --> 00:27:57.059 Over the Wi-Fi, yeah. 00:27:57.159 --> 00:27:57.339 Cool. 00:27:57.399 --> 00:28:00.179 Yeah, you do have to go get an API key from them. But once you do that, 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:01.199 you're doing it over the Wi-Fi. 00:28:01.579 --> 00:28:03.859 The other thing that's nice about it is you can just check the status. 00:28:03.879 --> 00:28:06.199 Yes, it closed. You know that they're in there. 00:28:06.399 --> 00:28:06.719 Yes. 00:28:07.159 --> 00:28:10.179 And then, of course, you want to control the environment because chickens that 00:28:10.179 --> 00:28:12.999 live in a comfortable environment with the right lighting produce more eggs. 00:28:13.239 --> 00:28:16.499 So this is where WLED, we've talked about it before, comes in. 00:28:16.819 --> 00:28:18.519 Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful setup. 00:28:18.979 --> 00:28:22.119 Love this so much because I found the Meg WLED-1. 00:28:25.254 --> 00:28:31.554 Go buy it right now. Go buy this right now. It's $35 on the Jungle Web, U.S. Greenbacks. 00:28:31.814 --> 00:28:36.494 It is a generic, teensy-tiny WLED controller. 00:28:36.674 --> 00:28:39.194 It comes pre-flash with WLED that you can update over the air, 00:28:39.794 --> 00:28:44.034 USB-C in, and then the WSB connector we all love for WLED. 00:28:44.214 --> 00:28:44.434 Lo-wago! 00:28:46.194 --> 00:28:49.414 It's, you don't have to solder anything. You don't have to clip anything. 00:28:49.694 --> 00:28:52.014 You don't even have to flash anything. 00:28:52.194 --> 00:28:55.054 But it does support easy flashing with custom firmware if you want. 00:28:55.054 --> 00:28:58.494 It does. It does. It's, I love this so much. 00:28:58.574 --> 00:29:00.094 And it does 5-volt and 12-volt. 00:29:00.354 --> 00:29:02.634 So you can have 12-volt lights if you want. That's awesome. I'm going to buy 00:29:02.634 --> 00:29:06.054 a couple more of these before the show goes out because I don't want the audience to snatch them all up. 00:29:06.894 --> 00:29:13.794 I love it. I mean, because it makes, because if you get that and a WS281 2B 00:29:13.794 --> 00:29:19.314 LED light strip, you have a WLED light set up in 30 seconds. 00:29:20.034 --> 00:29:21.114 That's pretty easy. 00:29:21.314 --> 00:29:24.354 And then you just, it puts out an AP, you get on your phone or whatever. 00:29:24.354 --> 00:29:28.134 You get on the AP, you add it to your regular network, and then two seconds 00:29:28.134 --> 00:29:29.294 later, Home Assistant detects it. 00:29:29.634 --> 00:29:32.094 Because really, that's been a lot of the pain in the past, right, 00:29:32.174 --> 00:29:35.714 compared to other proprietary options is you had to sort of assemble it yourself. 00:29:35.914 --> 00:29:39.974 And maybe you had to put some of it together, and then you had to use the right software to control it. 00:29:40.894 --> 00:29:43.034 But that is kind of just one, two, three. 00:29:43.254 --> 00:29:49.094 So I have it going into about 160 LED light strip that runs along the top of the hen house. 00:29:49.614 --> 00:29:53.814 and a little bit before, you know, right at sunrise actually. 00:29:53.814 --> 00:29:56.994 It comes on at really light and it really dim, I should say. 00:29:57.334 --> 00:30:00.354 And it warms up and gets a little brighter during the day. It follows, 00:30:00.434 --> 00:30:02.194 you know, the sunrise and the sunset. Yeah. 00:30:02.979 --> 00:30:08.539 And it just provides them a little bit of extra light, especially in the fall and in the winter. 00:30:08.699 --> 00:30:11.779 Do you have it synced up so like it plays a recording of your voice wishing 00:30:11.779 --> 00:30:12.739 them good morning, good night? 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.119 I just love it because it just ties in with everything I'm doing is extremely 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:19.099 extensible and hackable. 00:30:19.679 --> 00:30:23.539 It's really an MVP for lighting. I'm going to do, I'll have WLED all over this thing. 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:29.199 And then for sensors, I think when you think sensors, I think you should plan 00:30:29.199 --> 00:30:32.919 for powered, consistently powered. because they're so much more useful when 00:30:32.919 --> 00:30:33.719 they're consistently powered. 00:30:33.819 --> 00:30:37.339 Now, what I'm going to mention does support battery and I have used them in battery capacity. 00:30:37.619 --> 00:30:42.079 When you do that, they kind of check in every 15 minutes, every hour, then they sleep. 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:46.479 But when you power them over USB, you can get second to second resolution. 00:30:46.859 --> 00:30:53.439 And the absolute MVP now of home sensors for price, functionality, 00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:58.059 reliability, and compatibility with Home Assistant is Zeus. 00:30:58.439 --> 00:31:03.139 Z-O-O-Z. they are officially a member of the works with home assistant program 00:31:03.139 --> 00:31:08.839 so you take this sensor out of the box you add power you tap a button you put 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.319 your home assistant in z-wave discovery mode, 00:31:11.979 --> 00:31:15.699 a second later they're talking you enter a pin code it's now paired you now 00:31:15.699 --> 00:31:21.219 have motion temperature humidity lux reading wow all in one sensor up in the 00:31:21.219 --> 00:31:25.799 corner that's great over z-wave which then can be used to trigger things like 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.199 smart plugs for heating and whatnot. 00:31:28.719 --> 00:31:31.959 And for that, I have another Zeus device that I want to recommend. 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:35.179 This is the second Zeus device, and I think these are just absolutely wonderful. 00:31:35.499 --> 00:31:42.439 Now, it's not outdoor, so I have to weather protect it, but Zeus has a long-range Z-Wave power strip. 00:31:43.481 --> 00:31:48.501 Each individual plug shows up as an addressable plug in Home Assistant. That's so good. 00:31:48.941 --> 00:31:51.561 Including two USB ports that show up as addressable buttons. 00:31:52.181 --> 00:31:56.621 And there's physical controls on the power strip itself, as well as lights that 00:31:56.621 --> 00:31:58.441 indicate which port is active. 00:31:58.681 --> 00:31:59.661 This is so cool. 00:32:00.141 --> 00:32:04.541 So each one of those is now a smart switch. And so I can control heating, lighting, fans. 00:32:05.261 --> 00:32:10.621 I can reset the WLED controller, all of it, through this Zeus, Z-O-O-Z. 00:32:11.341 --> 00:32:12.401 That's a nice touch. 00:32:12.401 --> 00:32:15.401 Zen 20, 800LR. Oh, and... 00:32:17.259 --> 00:32:18.839 and it has energy monitoring. 00:32:19.419 --> 00:32:19.739 What? 00:32:19.739 --> 00:32:22.879 And that is really useful because one of the ways you can see, 00:32:22.959 --> 00:32:23.799 like, is the heater running? 00:32:23.999 --> 00:32:24.759 Yeah, how much are you drawing? 00:32:24.899 --> 00:32:27.519 I see 400 watts is being pulled on that port. Yep, the heater is running. 00:32:27.739 --> 00:32:28.319 This is so great. 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.599 That kind of stuff is, yeah. And then the other thing that I recommend, 00:32:31.779 --> 00:32:34.619 although this is the hardest recommendation in terms of price, 00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.539 it's just difficult right now because some of the components have gone up in price. 00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:43.959 So this is really kind of buy it if you really need it, but if you really need it, you really need it. 00:32:44.259 --> 00:32:47.619 And it's from Apollo Automation, and it's called the air one and it's an air 00:32:47.619 --> 00:32:53.659 quality sensor that's really great at the base price of 110 dollars if you're 00:32:53.659 --> 00:32:59.999 willing to spend 200 you can get it with the mics 4514 gas sensor, 00:33:00.819 --> 00:33:08.019 that gas sensor is a co2 sensor a nitrogen dioxide sensor an ammonia sensor boys i. 00:33:08.019 --> 00:33:09.759 See where this is going. 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:13.639 Methane ethanol hydrogen as well but yeah ammonias because you know these chickens 00:33:13.639 --> 00:33:17.299 they poop a lot. So now I have the ability to watch the ammonia levels. 00:33:17.779 --> 00:33:20.879 And so you can get like a clean the hen house alert? 00:33:21.139 --> 00:33:25.039 Yeah, basically hey, you're overdue. The ammonia levels are getting bad. 00:33:26.159 --> 00:33:29.239 It doesn't take much. It doesn't take much. The other thing we'll be able to 00:33:29.239 --> 00:33:31.379 do is we'll be able to look in on them. 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:34.679 So Frigate is the DVR we'll be using to record camera feeds. 00:33:34.819 --> 00:33:39.659 And I finally deployed my first, after all these years, POE camera. 00:33:40.419 --> 00:33:40.879 Congratulations. 00:33:41.219 --> 00:33:41.879 It feels good! 00:33:42.179 --> 00:33:42.639 Wow. 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.979 No more Wi-Fi for me. I can never go back. 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:50.099 I have seen the light. And I got a cheap one. I'm happy with it. 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.339 It's manually adjusted. It doesn't, it doesn't like auto pivot and things like that. 00:33:54.719 --> 00:33:59.499 But I bought myself the Armcrest 5 megapixel POE camera. 00:34:00.919 --> 00:34:02.119 $62 on Amazon. 00:34:03.336 --> 00:34:06.936 I got it on sale, and I checked Camel Camel. It's sometimes on sale for $46. 00:34:08.976 --> 00:34:14.396 Five megapixel has great night vision, works out of the box with Frigate DVR, 00:34:14.956 --> 00:34:17.936 and super easy to pull in to go to RTC. 00:34:18.436 --> 00:34:21.756 Then you can share the camera feed with as many apps as you want. 00:34:21.836 --> 00:34:25.196 And you can have an IPTV app on your TV, which I do. 00:34:25.316 --> 00:34:29.216 You can have an IP camera app on your phone, which I do. You can send a feed to Frigate, which I do. 00:34:29.496 --> 00:34:34.116 You can pull it up an MPV on your desktop, which I do, and go to RTC, 00:34:34.336 --> 00:34:38.716 sits in front of all of it and proxies it all out. And the camera works. 00:34:40.116 --> 00:34:46.796 Chef's kiss smooth, right over POE. For $46, it's a slam dunk. 00:34:46.996 --> 00:34:50.176 I think there's better cameras out there for me though. So I'd love recommendations 00:34:50.176 --> 00:34:53.636 for the audience, ones that have spotlights, ones that have actual motorized pivot. 00:34:53.836 --> 00:34:57.256 Right, this one you can pivot yourself, but it doesn't, isn't controllable remotely. 00:34:57.496 --> 00:35:00.716 I think you'd really, I think you'd enjoy this, you know, like especially when 00:35:00.716 --> 00:35:01.856 you're out and about out in charge at home. 00:35:02.116 --> 00:35:02.776 It's true, yeah. 00:35:03.616 --> 00:35:05.516 These are great. Or for you, Brent and the cats. 00:35:05.876 --> 00:35:07.416 Oh yeah. And a very real reasonable price. 00:35:07.756 --> 00:35:10.796 Also, I think this would be a great system if you ever wanted to have a security 00:35:10.796 --> 00:35:14.356 camera system for the van. When you're out boondocking and stuff, it can be nice. 00:35:15.296 --> 00:35:15.656 Hmm. 00:35:16.556 --> 00:35:20.276 I love it. And I think Frigate doesn't get enough love in our community. 00:35:20.276 --> 00:35:24.676 It is a full-fledged camera DVR system that works great. 00:35:24.816 --> 00:35:27.616 And you can accelerate it. Yeah, right, where you put that coral to work. 00:35:27.736 --> 00:35:27.796 Right? 00:35:27.896 --> 00:35:30.156 Doing object face detection, that kind of stuff. 00:35:31.044 --> 00:35:33.104 I don't know. Maybe there's more I can do there too. I don't know. 00:35:33.704 --> 00:35:36.304 Producer Jeff's going to be so proud of you. He's been talking about Frigate 00:35:36.304 --> 00:35:38.804 for years and trying to get us to do something with it. 00:35:39.284 --> 00:35:41.964 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's been great. 00:35:42.324 --> 00:35:42.944 Jeff Lee knows. 00:35:43.564 --> 00:35:46.304 All these things really come down to, I mean, they sound like, 00:35:46.384 --> 00:35:48.604 you know, oh, they're nerdy and they're geeky, and that's true. 00:35:48.704 --> 00:35:51.724 And it has been a fun project, and I really do appreciate your boys' help. 00:35:52.104 --> 00:35:54.764 But it's actually about, it's about peace of mind. 00:35:55.224 --> 00:35:59.164 It's about the family wanting to check in on the chickens and know everything's okay. 00:35:59.944 --> 00:36:02.604 You know, you hear a bunch of, like this happened just the other night. 00:36:02.684 --> 00:36:05.804 We heard a bunch of coyotes and the wife was like, hey, can you just pull up 00:36:05.804 --> 00:36:07.604 the camera? Can we just see how the chickens are doing? 00:36:07.904 --> 00:36:08.124 Totally. 00:36:08.984 --> 00:36:10.024 And that has been great. 00:36:10.264 --> 00:36:14.324 You're pulling it up on your TV, right? Did you integrate like a channel yet? 00:36:14.724 --> 00:36:16.764 So that you could just flick to the channel and have it. 00:36:16.804 --> 00:36:18.524 All right. Let me tell you what I did here real quick. Okay. 00:36:18.624 --> 00:36:18.744 Right. 00:36:19.284 --> 00:36:25.624 Because everything's on the private chicken land. So my TV can't talk to the chicken land. 00:36:25.884 --> 00:36:27.564 It's nice of you to respect the chicken's privacy. 00:36:27.564 --> 00:36:31.884 I could, but yeah, they're on their own isolated land. So I once again deployed 00:36:31.884 --> 00:36:34.084 my old buddy, my old buddy, Ngrok. 00:36:34.664 --> 00:36:41.304 And I set up some Ngrok tunnels that are for both the RTMP streams from GoToRTC 00:36:41.304 --> 00:36:43.104 and the frigate dashboard. 00:36:44.104 --> 00:36:48.804 And then I set buttons on Home Assistant for the Chicken Coop Home Assistant. 00:36:48.984 --> 00:36:52.824 And I can tap a button and it turns on the Ngrok tunnel with a default of two 00:36:52.824 --> 00:36:54.284 hours. But I have a little slider there. 00:36:54.284 --> 00:36:54.724 Nice. 00:36:55.224 --> 00:36:59.164 So I could, you know, 10 minutes, 24 hours, slide it. 00:36:59.444 --> 00:37:02.804 Right, slide it. I hit the button, I get the tunnel. And then the second the 00:37:02.804 --> 00:37:04.784 tunnel comes up, all of the apps start working. 00:37:05.164 --> 00:37:07.804 And it doesn't matter if you're on the public cellular network, 00:37:08.044 --> 00:37:11.224 wherever you're at. And so what we like to do is I hit that for like an hour. 00:37:11.424 --> 00:37:14.024 And then as we're winding down for the evening, we pull up the camera feeds. 00:37:14.104 --> 00:37:16.924 We watch the chickens kind of settle in because they're so adorable settling in. 00:37:16.984 --> 00:37:19.984 And you like to see where they're sitting because there's a whole pecking order. 00:37:20.124 --> 00:37:20.604 Of course. 00:37:20.744 --> 00:37:24.004 So you like to see where everybody ended up. And then you got to talk about it. Oh, look. 00:37:24.284 --> 00:37:29.804 Mel and Sue are over there, and Boss is sitting next to Blue Tonight instead of Chief. 00:37:30.064 --> 00:37:32.464 Oh, a little development there. You know, it's a big deal. 00:37:33.407 --> 00:37:33.947 And it's fun. 00:37:34.067 --> 00:37:35.207 I like that you have, like, the chicken channel. 00:37:35.427 --> 00:37:39.347 Yeah. Yeah. I've actually thought about pulling in a dispatcher and then actually 00:37:39.347 --> 00:37:40.687 serving it up to the IPTV app. 00:37:40.687 --> 00:37:41.467 I mean, why not? 00:37:41.707 --> 00:37:43.247 Are you getting audio through that as well? 00:37:43.607 --> 00:37:47.707 We do, yeah. The Armcrest has a ridiculously powerful mic. 00:37:48.147 --> 00:37:49.007 That's a nice touch. 00:37:49.247 --> 00:37:52.807 You could hear people stepping around the coop outside, walking up to it. 00:37:52.887 --> 00:37:54.267 I mean, it's really powerful. 00:37:54.927 --> 00:37:59.127 Maybe too powerful because it clips, too. Yeah, right. Yeah, you get the audio feed. 00:37:59.487 --> 00:38:03.767 It's good, solid video. Even the night camera feed. and pulling all that in 00:38:03.767 --> 00:38:07.207 over the Engrock tunnel is really fun because when we're out and about, 00:38:07.367 --> 00:38:09.087 it's like, oh, let's check in on the chickens and see what they're doing. 00:38:09.347 --> 00:38:12.367 You just get that peace of mind. So then later on, you extend that out. 00:38:12.447 --> 00:38:14.147 When you're on a vacation for a week. 00:38:14.647 --> 00:38:15.647 You can still check in. 00:38:15.747 --> 00:38:17.927 You're really going to appreciate that. And you know, like you can see, 00:38:18.007 --> 00:38:20.987 okay, I see the door closed. I see the watering and the feeding kicked off. 00:38:21.427 --> 00:38:24.887 Okay, yep. I can check on the camera. I can see they're eating the food, right? 00:38:25.007 --> 00:38:27.787 You just- You can see that the ammonia levels are healthy and normal. 00:38:28.007 --> 00:38:31.847 Right, right. And then you extend that out to the garden or the fact that, 00:38:31.847 --> 00:38:34.727 you know, the kids have infrastructure and that their things are working because 00:38:34.727 --> 00:38:37.067 it's monitoring all of that. I'm having all that monitored now. 00:38:38.087 --> 00:38:45.007 It's not just about the chickens. It turned out to be like a farm infrastructure 00:38:45.007 --> 00:38:47.307 project that I didn't see coming. 00:38:47.507 --> 00:38:51.447 And I feel like we'll be redefining how I do my networking probably for a while now. 00:38:51.807 --> 00:38:55.607 Because the idea has always been the infrastructure is built around Joops. 00:38:55.847 --> 00:38:57.407 Yeah, now it's totally switching. 00:38:57.647 --> 00:38:57.847 Yeah. 00:38:58.247 --> 00:39:01.167 Now you got this permanent infrastructure and Joops is just coming and going. 00:39:01.307 --> 00:39:03.627 And it's all outdoors. It's weird. It's weird. 00:39:04.247 --> 00:39:09.027 You mentioned how you tend to iterate on these things, and we had way too many 00:39:09.027 --> 00:39:12.907 napkins, and I'm glad we finally started implementing, but do you think this 00:39:12.907 --> 00:39:15.487 will evolve, or is this feeling pretty stable now? 00:39:15.907 --> 00:39:19.987 I think there's going to be a few more additions. I think I'd really like to 00:39:19.987 --> 00:39:23.167 dial in more stuff with Frigate, detecting different events with Frigate. 00:39:23.367 --> 00:39:28.287 I still have automation to do for all of the kids' projects. 00:39:29.244 --> 00:39:34.244 They all need lighting, heating, cooling, all their stuff needs automation. 00:39:34.664 --> 00:39:39.764 And then ultimately I have to figure out additional storage for Frigate. I have to get that done. 00:39:41.704 --> 00:39:48.544 And I could see over time, maybe it makes sense that the Starlink is connected to the farm network. 00:39:48.764 --> 00:39:52.244 You know, I can see shifting that kind of stuff. Or does it make, 00:39:52.504 --> 00:39:57.364 maybe I no longer, maybe the NAS is no longer in Joops. 00:39:58.004 --> 00:40:00.924 maybe the nas is at the farm and then 00:40:00.924 --> 00:40:04.284 i could go to spinning rust and i could get a lot more storage since i'm not 00:40:04.284 --> 00:40:08.424 on salt state and maybe what stays in jupes is i go back to the local cash idea 00:40:08.424 --> 00:40:11.984 where it's like i cash a couple of shows because over time i've kind of just 00:40:11.984 --> 00:40:16.064 everything's in jupes now but i could go back to that maybe i don't know there's 00:40:16.064 --> 00:40:20.524 i'm just feeling like because i i haven't had permanent infrastructure suddenly. 00:40:20.524 --> 00:40:21.124 You're gonna have like. 00:40:21.124 --> 00:40:25.344 A year chicken jellyfin yeah oh that could be fun if i could forget highlights 00:40:25.344 --> 00:40:29.984 you know i've been building around the idea of keeping everything compact mobile 00:40:29.984 --> 00:40:34.324 low power and all of a sudden i have a permanent power line and a permanent 00:40:34.324 --> 00:40:35.424 internet connection this. 00:40:35.424 --> 00:40:35.924 Is getting weird. 00:40:35.924 --> 00:40:38.424 And it's like i could actually just have infrastructure i. 00:40:38.424 --> 00:40:40.544 Haven't seen any bricks but i definitely see sticks. 00:40:41.764 --> 00:40:46.284 So it's a big project so yes brent i think the project great great to hear, 00:40:49.297 --> 00:40:52.077 I want to take a moment and thank our members. 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We'll see. 00:41:39.357 --> 00:41:41.477 But we did get some, we have been reading them and thank you everybody. 00:41:42.077 --> 00:41:46.677 So Brentley, with that said, do you want to kick us off with our first boost? 00:41:51.611 --> 00:42:00.631 Well, we have a baller here of Jackie, who sent in three boosts for a total of 196,000. 00:42:00.631 --> 00:42:01.271 Satoshis. 00:42:05.051 --> 00:42:08.151 Hey, yes, sir. Yes, sir. That is a great one. Thank you. 00:42:08.811 --> 00:42:13.271 Greetings again. Please consider this a three-week combined boost because I 00:42:13.271 --> 00:42:14.731 should have boosted the past two weeks. 00:42:15.151 --> 00:42:22.171 And with this boost, I would like to announce three of my new projects. number one hyper dht. 00:42:22.171 --> 00:42:23.491 Okay it's. 00:42:23.491 --> 00:42:29.071 A p2p protocol re-implementation in c plus plus reverse engineered it's wire 00:42:29.071 --> 00:42:31.871 compatible with javascript. 00:42:31.871 --> 00:42:38.851 Java java java java all right so that's number one and that is brent's more of a. 00:42:38.851 --> 00:42:41.111 Vb script guy so he's not familiar. 00:42:41.111 --> 00:42:45.331 Hyper dht p2p and then there's a number two. Brantley, there's a number two. 00:42:45.651 --> 00:42:50.511 There is a number two. Number two, No Spoon. P2P VPN. 00:42:52.111 --> 00:42:54.411 Yeah, what you have to remember, Brent, is there is No Spoon. 00:42:54.571 --> 00:42:56.231 There is No Spoon. 00:42:56.531 --> 00:43:00.071 You have to remember. We'll put links to those in the show notes. 00:43:00.271 --> 00:43:03.211 Thank you, Jack. It's good to hear from you. Appreciate the boost. 00:43:04.031 --> 00:43:07.591 Doja comes in with 38,394 Satoshis. 00:43:09.991 --> 00:43:13.111 One last AI boost. Sorry. Should I start from the bottom? 00:43:13.331 --> 00:43:17.531 Oh my good question oh there's a couple one sad thing about politicizing all 00:43:17.531 --> 00:43:21.871 this ai is that so many people put themselves in the ai good ai bad camp when 00:43:21.871 --> 00:43:25.371 it's not really both it's not really good it's not really bad it's not a blanket 00:43:25.371 --> 00:43:29.631 one way or the other i really appreciate jb's nuance here uh brandon sanderson 00:43:29.631 --> 00:43:33.291 has a really good keynote called we are the art and i think it hits it, 00:43:35.105 --> 00:43:38.765 All this AI bootlicking reminds me of the yearly Hacktoberfest drama that reached 00:43:38.765 --> 00:43:42.645 to 11, that ratcheted to 11 we've rallied so long on a base level of quality 00:43:42.645 --> 00:43:45.345 being baked by virtue of learning of Evercurve. 00:43:47.005 --> 00:43:51.105 And Vault Worden, for me, over here, I found that it has the wife approval factor. 00:43:51.245 --> 00:43:51.785 All right. 00:43:51.965 --> 00:43:52.265 Nice. 00:43:52.425 --> 00:43:58.725 That is good to know. I also used it to force myself to learn and practice proper 00:43:58.725 --> 00:43:59.965 backups for home assistant. 00:44:00.385 --> 00:44:03.945 Been running six years with zero fire drills and four nine drills. 00:44:03.945 --> 00:44:04.785 Nicely done. 00:44:05.105 --> 00:44:10.445 Bitwarden goes proper south. Bitwarden is a feasible option. And one last boost. 00:44:10.725 --> 00:44:15.685 That's all right. Don't worry about it, Dasha. I found myself treating AI contributions 00:44:15.685 --> 00:44:18.245 as they came from another person is really helpful. 00:44:18.465 --> 00:44:21.965 Because I vibe-coded or AI-assisted something doesn't mean it's exempt from 00:44:21.965 --> 00:44:24.225 my normal review process. 00:44:24.425 --> 00:44:30.225 I give the agent's PR the same scrutiny and feedback I do one of my junior devs. 00:44:30.325 --> 00:44:34.505 And the amount of slop decreases by an order of magnitude. whether it helps 00:44:34.505 --> 00:44:39.045 my juniors write less slop or causes my seniors to produce more slop well that 00:44:39.045 --> 00:44:40.865 says more about them and the person. 00:44:40.865 --> 00:44:42.205 A nice perspective. 00:44:42.205 --> 00:44:46.085 I think that's very insightful um i know west you kind of follow a very same 00:44:46.085 --> 00:44:49.045 kind of thing it's you know you got to review it like it's a contribution that 00:44:49.045 --> 00:44:53.305 just needs review like everything else i think it speaks to a lot of this comes 00:44:53.305 --> 00:44:58.765 down to people think that it's a matter of i speak to the machine and it creates thing, 00:44:59.005 --> 00:45:04.305 but it really is a tool that has nuance, that has practices that are going to 00:45:04.305 --> 00:45:07.105 screw you up or going to serve you better. And it's just something people have to learn. 00:45:07.365 --> 00:45:10.605 And, you know, how much you actually stay engaged can determine whether you 00:45:10.605 --> 00:45:12.725 have a good time or a bad time or just make a big mess. 00:45:12.985 --> 00:45:15.425 Yeah. And if you're willing to keep evolving how you work. 00:45:15.585 --> 00:45:17.505 Right. As Linus was talking about in our pre-show. 00:45:17.505 --> 00:45:20.985 Linus was talking about in our pre-show. It's the more painful aspect of the process. 00:45:22.545 --> 00:45:28.845 Well uh our buddy derivation dingus boosts in with 22 2222 sats, 00:45:31.621 --> 00:45:35.901 I'm still on Bitwarden, and it's been bugging me, but I haven't found a better 00:45:35.901 --> 00:45:39.401 option. I'll probably spin on Vault Warden, at least as a backup. 00:45:39.941 --> 00:45:43.481 My real gripe, though, is with the client UIs. They keep making changes that 00:45:43.481 --> 00:45:48.041 just make it worse, and just reverted one right after I finally adjusted to it. 00:45:48.041 --> 00:45:49.421 You're talking about the autofill thing, aren't you? 00:45:49.561 --> 00:45:50.041 I think so. 00:45:50.141 --> 00:45:54.561 Because that, and then they went back, and I was like, is this the, 00:45:54.901 --> 00:45:57.801 is this like, am I daydreaming that this changed? 00:45:57.961 --> 00:46:00.681 Like, I felt ghost, gaslit a little bit, ghostlit. 00:46:02.081 --> 00:46:05.201 I used to love Bitwarden, but between this stuff and the recent security issues, 00:46:05.381 --> 00:46:10.241 it's slowly eroding my confidence that they can keep shipping a product I want to pay for. 00:46:10.501 --> 00:46:13.341 I'd love to hear more about what others are thinking. 00:46:13.701 --> 00:46:19.041 Yeah. Boy. Well said. I think that's a little bit more than where I'm at, 00:46:19.121 --> 00:46:20.621 but it's pretty close to work. That's where I'm at. 00:46:20.621 --> 00:46:25.941 You do worry, you know, sometimes UI changes like that can be a symptom of sort 00:46:25.941 --> 00:46:30.801 of, you know, check mark based development and or product launching not always you know. 00:46:30.801 --> 00:46:31.641 Can be though. 00:46:31.641 --> 00:46:36.381 Can be though yeah that's what i don't know if this for sure was happening wait and see. 00:46:38.121 --> 00:46:40.621 Jace neville boosted in 2000 sats, 00:46:43.477 --> 00:46:46.597 Long-time listener, but first-time booster. 00:46:47.017 --> 00:46:49.237 Hey, thank you. 00:46:49.737 --> 00:46:51.237 We sure appreciate it. 00:46:52.737 --> 00:46:58.397 I just wanted to chime in and say on the AI-assisted coding that I'm a huge 00:46:58.397 --> 00:47:00.957 proponent of using these tools to yourself. 00:47:01.297 --> 00:47:07.377 I'm someone who has bounced off coding probably 50 times, but now I'm able to 00:47:07.377 --> 00:47:11.577 self-direct different apps and tools for myself using markdown files and carefully 00:47:11.577 --> 00:47:13.057 constructed constraints. 00:47:13.497 --> 00:47:16.597 Oh, he says something that, sorry, I don't mean to interrupt, 00:47:16.757 --> 00:47:18.577 but this is something that I've been thinking about. 00:47:18.797 --> 00:47:21.937 He just put my word, my thoughts into words. Go ahead. Sorry. 00:47:22.057 --> 00:47:23.137 I didn't mean to interrupt. I just got excited. 00:47:23.477 --> 00:47:29.577 Okay, good. He continues. I know how to manage people by trade and I know a 00:47:29.577 --> 00:47:31.977 computer can do anything you tell it to do. 00:47:32.157 --> 00:47:34.497 You just have to know how to communicate it. 00:47:34.497 --> 00:47:40.757 This is the thing, is I think what's melting people's brains that have been 00:47:40.757 --> 00:47:44.297 in development for a long time, like our buddy Wes here, although Wes doesn't, 00:47:44.837 --> 00:47:49.057 you know, he gets a little triggered by my slop sometimes because, 00:47:49.077 --> 00:47:55.037 you know, it's a real skill set that took you a long time to conquer and master a language. 00:47:55.357 --> 00:48:00.377 And then somebody comes along that knows how to manage projects, 00:48:00.497 --> 00:48:04.217 specs, tasks, and people can get a lot further than they could even six months ago. 00:48:05.037 --> 00:48:10.377 and they didn't have to spend years learning how to write zig or whatever, right? 00:48:10.857 --> 00:48:13.097 And I think that's a weird cultural shift we're going through. 00:48:13.257 --> 00:48:17.797 And it's one of the skills you need to do this right is a bit of a management 00:48:17.797 --> 00:48:22.397 skill on task management and how to break it up and how to divvy it out and things like that. 00:48:22.777 --> 00:48:26.257 Although I would say, actually, I don't mind the part about skipping the language 00:48:26.257 --> 00:48:29.537 part. I would say it's the part that I- The practices? 00:48:30.117 --> 00:48:35.357 No, it's more that. I would say managing people and managing a project are not the same. 00:48:35.617 --> 00:48:35.877 Yeah. 00:48:36.057 --> 00:48:38.977 And so I think some of the weaker parts that people have to learn when they 00:48:38.977 --> 00:48:41.157 come to vibe coding is... 00:48:42.127 --> 00:48:45.147 Like you can discover your way to a lot of architecture that will work, 00:48:45.307 --> 00:48:50.267 but that can also cause problems. And so if you don't learn some amount of understanding 00:48:50.267 --> 00:48:55.227 the trade-offs early enough on, you can still have issues. 00:48:55.407 --> 00:48:58.507 Well, I think that is going to be the big gap. I think that is the big gap. 00:48:58.807 --> 00:49:01.327 But I think that's also just an approach. 00:49:01.847 --> 00:49:05.987 There is a kind of, you know, learning by doing, digging your way through. 00:49:06.107 --> 00:49:07.907 Oh, that screwed up. Now I got to fix this. 00:49:07.967 --> 00:49:08.607 And it's a lot harder. 00:49:08.707 --> 00:49:09.747 And it's a lot messier. 00:49:10.567 --> 00:49:14.047 Well, I mean, you know. Iteration and trying things is the only way to learn. 00:49:14.587 --> 00:49:15.087 It's true. 00:49:15.307 --> 00:49:17.387 But I do think there is a lot to... 00:49:20.038 --> 00:49:22.818 You just have to know how to communicate it. I think one of the more exciting 00:49:22.818 --> 00:49:26.738 things in all of this is, regardless of how the discussion you want to have 00:49:26.738 --> 00:49:31.138 around review and what you declare prod-worthy or not, and all of that side of the conversation, 00:49:32.518 --> 00:49:37.078 the ability to quickly summon forth software to test things and to prototype 00:49:37.078 --> 00:49:41.438 and to understand sort of what is possible, is pretty profound. 00:49:41.438 --> 00:49:43.898 Or when you're learning to review a project and ask it questions about that 00:49:43.898 --> 00:49:46.558 project, like, why does it work like this? How does that work? And just use it as... 00:49:46.558 --> 00:49:49.678 Yeah, and test theories, right? Make a change and see, does it do the thing 00:49:49.678 --> 00:49:51.678 that you thought? Does that jive with your own understanding? 00:49:52.058 --> 00:49:57.238 I think, though, that people that lack proper project management and documentation 00:49:57.238 --> 00:50:01.278 skills and get best practices and things like that, they're going to have a 00:50:01.278 --> 00:50:05.058 harder time as the project gets beyond just a handy script or a quick vibe code. 00:50:05.118 --> 00:50:07.698 And when it gets into something that's a little bit larger, that maybe has a 00:50:07.698 --> 00:50:10.338 front end and a back end, and maybe has to interface with a few services, 00:50:10.658 --> 00:50:13.918 and maybe is going to be user facing, it starts to get a little bit more of 00:50:13.918 --> 00:50:17.338 an actual project that you need to know how to manage. And that's a skill set in itself. 00:50:17.338 --> 00:50:20.318 Especially maybe if you've if it evolves from you know 00:50:20.318 --> 00:50:23.598 it's i think the more it's easy to quickly do output 00:50:23.598 --> 00:50:26.958 testing of it right if it's a tool you use all the time that you can quickly 00:50:26.958 --> 00:50:29.778 tell if it isn't working for you and keep tweaking on that is a really easy 00:50:29.778 --> 00:50:33.398 way to do it if it's like a complicated distributed system keeping track of 00:50:33.398 --> 00:50:36.818 like even use yourself right and that you don't have a full eyes on and it needs 00:50:36.818 --> 00:50:39.478 to keep like certain invariants maybe it's keeping track of money or something 00:50:39.478 --> 00:50:44.158 that way maybe you want a you know there's different ways to set it up to have success. 00:50:44.558 --> 00:50:46.958 And this is all stuff we're all still figuring out. 00:50:47.058 --> 00:50:47.158 Right? 00:50:47.218 --> 00:50:48.518 That's a big part of this. 00:50:48.638 --> 00:50:52.878 And there's going to be parts that don't work. Zach Attacks here with a bunch 00:50:52.878 --> 00:50:58.138 of sticks, a satchel of Richards, 11,100 and 11 cents. 00:51:03.964 --> 00:51:06.184 Thank you for reading my email last week regarding Bitwarden. 00:51:06.284 --> 00:51:10.424 Also, I did appreciate your coverage of Red Hat Summit because I can't make it to those. 00:51:10.624 --> 00:51:14.724 I wanted to ask you and the audience, has anyone spun up their own ELK stack? 00:51:15.044 --> 00:51:20.744 Elasticsearch, Cabana, and Logstash. Not that, but Kilbana, sorry, and Logstash. 00:51:20.984 --> 00:51:24.764 And what is the easiest and quickest way to do that? I'm also really curious 00:51:24.764 --> 00:51:28.504 on how you set up your agentic AI stack, as that's something I need to look at. 00:51:28.764 --> 00:51:30.184 But we have a stream for you. 00:51:30.304 --> 00:51:34.364 Yes, we do. Join us on the Friday stream this next Friday. We're going to have 00:51:34.364 --> 00:51:37.944 a good little conversation on that. Boy, Elasticsearch. 00:51:38.604 --> 00:51:41.224 Yeah, so there's a lot of options there. It kind of depends, 00:51:41.364 --> 00:51:45.284 like, there are, do you need that exact stack? There are also now, 00:51:45.444 --> 00:51:49.024 you know, other versions of it that do kind of the same idea. 00:51:49.524 --> 00:51:54.444 Of course, there's Docker Compose is one easy route. There's also NixOS modules 00:51:54.444 --> 00:51:58.484 for those. So it might depend a bit on what underlying sort of orchestration 00:51:58.484 --> 00:52:01.064 technologies you prefer or are familiar with. 00:52:01.164 --> 00:52:02.064 That's got to be the answer. 00:52:02.264 --> 00:52:05.764 But definitely there's some compose files out there you could use as a starting 00:52:05.764 --> 00:52:09.044 point if you just want to start playing with them and be able to tie them together. 00:52:10.653 --> 00:52:13.013 Because a lot of that is just making sure you can do the full thing, right? 00:52:13.193 --> 00:52:15.413 That seems the easiest way to go. Yeah. 00:52:15.633 --> 00:52:18.993 Yeah, if your main goal is just to learn that stack and be able to work with 00:52:18.993 --> 00:52:23.873 it, then yeah, it's probably going to cheer you all right. Good luck. Let us know how it goes. 00:52:24.233 --> 00:52:24.613 Mm-hmm. 00:52:26.973 --> 00:52:33.653 Bunboosin, 2,291 sats. I haven't considered moving from Bitwarden since I moved 00:52:33.653 --> 00:52:35.653 from LastPass years ago. 00:52:35.893 --> 00:52:36.013 Yeah. 00:52:36.433 --> 00:52:39.613 The service has been great, and I'm still happy with the price even after the increase. 00:52:39.633 --> 00:52:42.853 Oh, that's good. All right, good to hear. Thank you, Bun. Good feedback. 00:52:43.373 --> 00:52:48.933 Yeah, it hasn't failed me yet in that sense. It's still working reliably. We'll see. 00:52:49.313 --> 00:52:51.473 At what point, what does it take for you to switch? 00:52:51.873 --> 00:52:52.733 That's a good question. 00:52:52.873 --> 00:52:53.633 Probably one more screw-up. 00:52:56.053 --> 00:52:57.513 Hopefully it's not a bad, bad one. 00:52:57.973 --> 00:53:04.053 Right. Backups. Ed Bratton boosted in three, four, five, six Satoshis. 00:53:05.273 --> 00:53:08.313 My preferred password manager is ProtonPass. 00:53:08.753 --> 00:53:14.953 Ah. Sure. Another plug for Proton Pass. You'll like to see it. I get it. 00:53:15.893 --> 00:53:18.513 Your inner child comes in with 2001 Satoshis. 00:53:19.573 --> 00:53:24.653 2001 Space Odyssey boost. Oh, we need that. The hell boost. I can't do that, Dave, or something. 00:53:25.133 --> 00:53:30.753 Have you guys come across a rotary subwoofer in your journeys? It can hit one hertz. 00:53:32.373 --> 00:53:36.613 Whoa. I know Chris had his ultimate home theater in that one video. I need a part three. 00:53:36.913 --> 00:53:39.413 I can't remember what video he's talking about. Although I do like the home 00:53:39.413 --> 00:53:43.393 theater. it's not the most bangings that I've ever had. That sounds like you would break stuff. 00:53:44.393 --> 00:53:47.333 It reminds me of that scene in Back to the Future when Marty turns the speaker 00:53:47.333 --> 00:53:50.973 all the way up and blows it out. That's what I'm picturing right now. 00:53:51.073 --> 00:53:52.993 Or it's like some sort of deep tissue massage. 00:53:53.213 --> 00:53:57.453 That'd be great. That'd be awesome. Thanks inner child. Appreciate it. 00:53:58.889 --> 00:54:02.269 Bid cryptic boosts in with 4,096 SATs. 00:54:02.949 --> 00:54:07.709 To answer Chris's question on our MDF proposal, I think this was a boost from last week. 00:54:08.069 --> 00:54:13.289 Same URL, agent sends except text slash markdown, gets clean markdown back. 00:54:13.469 --> 00:54:15.689 So this is the like markdown version of the internet. 00:54:15.889 --> 00:54:18.049 No scraping, no HTML parsing. 00:54:18.489 --> 00:54:22.149 Access policy is expressed through price. Free content serves immediately. 00:54:22.329 --> 00:54:25.589 Premium content triggers a lightning invoice via L402. 00:54:25.969 --> 00:54:30.469 One SAT to $100, same mechanism. Reference server is a self-hostable Docker image. 00:54:30.669 --> 00:54:34.649 Price also gives content owners a natural level for lever, excuse me, 00:54:34.849 --> 00:54:37.749 for agent load. Charge a sat instead of getting hammered for free. 00:54:37.869 --> 00:54:43.369 You know, it's not a crazy idea. You can stream sats to podcasts and music and 00:54:43.369 --> 00:54:45.329 you can zap posts on Noster. 00:54:46.329 --> 00:54:49.849 Why can't you zap an API? Zap them five sats. 00:54:50.069 --> 00:54:53.409 I mean, we're not talking like a lot here. We're talking zap them a few sats 00:54:53.409 --> 00:54:57.209 and then you get premium access to the API for however long they determine. 00:54:57.209 --> 00:55:00.589 No membership required, no monthly reoccurring charge. 00:55:01.329 --> 00:55:03.889 I would zap for some articles from time to time for sure. 00:55:04.969 --> 00:55:10.909 There is pay per query, which is sort of an open router that allows you to pay 00:55:10.909 --> 00:55:12.849 for your API access with sats. 00:55:13.569 --> 00:55:17.769 But this just seems like something that could be done if humanity could actually 00:55:17.769 --> 00:55:19.329 implement technology at scale at any time. 00:55:19.949 --> 00:55:21.889 I like the idea. Thanks, BitCryptic. 00:55:23.049 --> 00:55:28.949 Eyes noir boosted in 2 222 sets and you know what that is it's a road decks, 00:55:31.008 --> 00:55:35.388 Regarding the AI vibe coding, it feels to me that the distinction between core 00:55:35.388 --> 00:55:40.708 contributors to a software using AI tools or random people submitting AI written 00:55:40.708 --> 00:55:42.648 PRs is an important distinction. 00:55:42.928 --> 00:55:47.648 The latter is what would annoy people that are trying to maintain a project 00:55:47.648 --> 00:55:50.448 because AI might not know anything about that project. 00:55:50.908 --> 00:55:54.808 Personally, I'm not a programmer, but those tools help me write the code for 00:55:54.808 --> 00:56:00.008 some projects I need. I take care of figuring out the infrastructure and what 00:56:00.008 --> 00:56:02.088 and how the software works. 00:56:02.388 --> 00:56:05.308 AI writes the rest of the code that I don't know how to write. 00:56:06.248 --> 00:56:11.888 So this, I think, is a pretty good point here and something Linus made in our members show as well. 00:56:13.308 --> 00:56:17.548 There's also, when I say this stuff, I want to mention, I feel like there is 00:56:17.548 --> 00:56:21.868 the small open source project that's getting buried that just doesn't have access 00:56:21.868 --> 00:56:25.748 to API credits or some, you know, Google-provided AI service. 00:56:25.748 --> 00:56:27.608 And they're just getting really a lot of the downsides. 00:56:28.988 --> 00:56:32.488 But Linus said something that sort of stuck with me. 00:56:32.528 --> 00:56:37.468 And that is, is that if you just, if you're using an AI vibe coding tool or 00:56:37.468 --> 00:56:41.288 whatever, you know, you're cloud coding and you discover a vulnerability, 00:56:41.508 --> 00:56:44.348 first of all, obviously you should not go just shouting about it. 00:56:44.648 --> 00:56:47.768 But it's probably safe to assume other people have discovered that vulnerability too. 00:56:48.248 --> 00:56:51.588 Maybe a lot of people have discovered that vulnerability. And so it's probably 00:56:51.588 --> 00:56:55.008 a good presumption to assume that vulnerability is already public. 00:56:55.848 --> 00:56:57.448 or it will be relatively soon. 00:56:58.348 --> 00:57:02.268 And then it's worth going to see if the project's getting slammed with issues about it or not. 00:57:02.368 --> 00:57:07.248 And I think that applies too, to some extent, to some of the other things with like random PRs. 00:57:09.010 --> 00:57:11.870 Like if it's an obvious feature or just sort of like low-hanging fruit, 00:57:12.010 --> 00:57:15.510 like there are some things that the problem was just it needed to be implemented. 00:57:15.810 --> 00:57:19.530 But there's a lot of things that it's like no one's quite proposed the way that 00:57:19.530 --> 00:57:22.730 makes sense for the project yet or what feels like the right long-term solution. 00:57:23.370 --> 00:57:26.870 And like a quick vibe code is probably not the thing that's going to hit on 00:57:26.870 --> 00:57:29.750 that, right? Because it wasn't just like implement this API with a clear contract. 00:57:29.990 --> 00:57:33.770 It's sort of debate internally what the right and propose something you think 00:57:33.770 --> 00:57:37.810 should be that contract, which probably takes a fairly deep understanding of like history. 00:57:38.270 --> 00:57:40.330 Yes, exactly. That's probably very common. 00:57:41.830 --> 00:57:44.790 Adversary's 17 boosts in with 4,096 cents. 00:57:44.970 --> 00:57:45.110 Yay! 00:57:48.410 --> 00:57:52.770 Still using Bitwarden. Highest spouse approval factor and my company uses it, 00:57:52.830 --> 00:57:54.430 so I get a free family plan. 00:57:54.550 --> 00:57:55.090 Ah, there's that. 00:57:55.150 --> 00:57:56.090 That's hard to say no to. 00:57:56.130 --> 00:58:00.070 There is that. Both of those are really good. Those are both really good. 00:58:00.530 --> 00:58:03.670 Well, Genonymous boosted in 5,000 cents. 00:58:05.430 --> 00:58:08.890 No message on this one, just a thanks, so I'll take this next one here from 00:58:08.890 --> 00:58:11.890 Magnolia Mayhem with 2,000 sets. 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:17.160 It simply says, Boosty McBoostface. 00:58:17.580 --> 00:58:18.120 Agreed. 00:58:18.200 --> 00:58:19.160 Agreed. Hard agree. 00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:19.700 Same thing. 00:58:20.220 --> 00:58:24.660 Profound. Profound. Thank you, everybody, who boosted in, including those of 00:58:24.660 --> 00:58:27.920 you who streamed them sats. We do appreciate you. 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:33.100 18 of you did that, and collectively you stacked 16,932 satoshis for this here show. 00:58:33.100 --> 00:58:38.260 When you combine that with our boosts, our grand total this episode for episode 00:58:38.260 --> 00:58:49.100 670 of your Value for Value Linux Unplugged podcast is 322,617 satoshis. I'll get it eventually. 00:58:49.860 --> 00:58:51.860 Thank you, everybody who supports the show with a boost. 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:57.200 We're pretty fond of it because there's no middleman. Like, we had a web boost 00:58:57.200 --> 00:58:59.980 thing going for a little while that was a prototype thing that we were trying 00:58:59.980 --> 00:59:01.280 and hooked up to my PayPal. 00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:06.860 and now PayPal has shut down my account and they want me to go through a 17 00:59:06.860 --> 00:59:12.400 page long or 17 different document humiliation ritual to get access to the remaining funds in there, 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:17.200 and I just over the years I've always discovered all these platforms suck and 00:59:17.200 --> 00:59:20.640 so the nice thing about the boost is there's no middleman it's a peer-to-peer 00:59:20.640 --> 00:59:23.480 network and it's an open source system with an open source protocol and an open 00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:28.460 source money and it goes automatically to each one of our wallets including editor Drew and. 00:59:28.460 --> 00:59:29.840 When it's sent it's sent It's. 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:32.920 Done. And I don't have to go ask PayPal or anything like that. 00:59:32.980 --> 00:59:34.800 And I just, I prefer it that way. 00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:38.320 But we also really appreciate our members who want to use their fiat and just 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:40.180 put it on autopilot. We totally get that too. 00:59:40.620 --> 00:59:43.960 And that's also very doable. So thank you everybody who supports the show, 00:59:44.140 --> 00:59:46.160 either through value, through time, or through your treasure. 00:59:46.580 --> 00:59:49.640 It makes all the difference. And it does indeed actually keep us going. 00:59:49.700 --> 00:59:50.460 We're not just saying that. 00:59:50.580 --> 00:59:53.740 We've been going since the beginning of the year, super lean on sponsors, 00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:54.800 and it makes all the difference. 00:59:57.030 --> 01:00:01.370 All right, how about – I'm going to pick something that's a little bit of a 01:00:01.370 --> 01:00:04.710 broad category because I think my official pick I already mentioned in the show. 01:00:04.790 --> 01:00:08.970 But this is something I think everybody should know about is the Home Assistant 01:00:08.970 --> 01:00:12.230 Project has a certified works with Home Assistant database. 01:00:12.950 --> 01:00:17.110 So you can go by connectivity type, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, matter, 01:00:17.450 --> 01:00:19.050 Z-Wave, Zigbee, et cetera. 01:00:19.410 --> 01:00:23.750 You do device type, lights, irrigation, camera, battery, sensor, 01:00:24.230 --> 01:00:26.270 air purifier, climate, all the different ones. 01:00:26.730 --> 01:00:29.590 and also some additional secondary subtypes that you can do. 01:00:29.790 --> 01:00:33.270 And then what you'll get is an official, yes, it works with Home Assistant. 01:00:33.710 --> 01:00:36.130 These are the things that are known to work. These are the elements. 01:00:36.390 --> 01:00:38.190 This is the process you may or may not have to go through. 01:00:38.550 --> 01:00:43.370 And there is an extensive 378-page list. 01:00:43.650 --> 01:00:44.010 Wow. 01:00:44.710 --> 01:00:50.170 With 25 entries on each page. They have really done an amazing work over here. 01:00:50.230 --> 01:00:53.570 They say, welcome to the centralized list of works with Home Assistant certified 01:00:53.570 --> 01:00:58.090 devices. Every product listed here has been rigorously tested by our team to 01:00:58.090 --> 01:00:59.010 ensure great experience. 01:00:59.170 --> 01:01:04.790 And I will note, I have seen them kick people out of the program when they slip from the requirements. 01:01:05.110 --> 01:01:05.290 Nice. 01:01:05.390 --> 01:01:07.930 That's what you want to see. It's a real standard. 01:01:08.150 --> 01:01:08.770 They're not scooting. 01:01:08.970 --> 01:01:11.150 I'd like that it has the region search in here, too. 01:01:11.310 --> 01:01:12.870 Yeah. Yeah. 01:01:13.010 --> 01:01:13.350 Wow. 01:01:13.770 --> 01:01:17.290 I know. I know. Also, I'm going to give one more honorable shout out to that 01:01:17.290 --> 01:01:23.050 Zeus Outdoor Smart Plug Game Changer, over-the-air firmware updates, works with Z-Wave. 01:01:23.250 --> 01:01:25.930 So good. So good. So I had to put that in there too. 01:01:26.570 --> 01:01:26.810 IP65. 01:01:27.290 --> 01:01:27.650 Mm-hmm. 01:01:28.866 --> 01:01:32.486 I don't know if I would rate, I don't know if I would live on it, but it is IP65 rated. 01:01:32.806 --> 01:01:37.326 I have it inside a crate because it is a power outlet thing. 01:01:37.466 --> 01:01:39.586 You know, I just don't want that out. It doesn't have like caps. 01:01:39.966 --> 01:01:42.546 Oh, this is the different one. Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you, Wes. 01:01:42.546 --> 01:01:44.006 You're right. You were looking at it. 01:01:44.106 --> 01:01:44.526 I was. 01:01:45.466 --> 01:01:49.626 I didn't mention this in the show. I saved it and I thought I had mentioned it. 01:01:49.726 --> 01:01:51.526 Too many great devices on this project. 01:01:51.646 --> 01:01:52.826 Yeah, because this one does have a cap. 01:01:53.506 --> 01:01:56.526 This one has the cap. This is the one that I feel safe. Thank you. 01:01:56.526 --> 01:01:58.786 This is the one I feel safe about actually putting outside. 01:02:00.131 --> 01:02:04.511 It is also a Zeus product and it has a cap. It's designed to be outdoor. 01:02:04.811 --> 01:02:07.011 And I, this is what I use to do the smart lights in the barn. 01:02:07.811 --> 01:02:08.691 Oh, okay. 01:02:08.971 --> 01:02:11.991 Really nice. That's a button on it too. So if you want to manually activate 01:02:11.991 --> 01:02:14.371 it, you can design for outdoor. 01:02:15.091 --> 01:02:17.971 Wow. It looks actually quite nicely designed for an outdoor, 01:02:18.111 --> 01:02:23.651 like really nice ceiling. And it's got a little whip cable on it and everything. It looks beefy. 01:02:24.511 --> 01:02:29.351 Get Zeus, get Z O O Z.com. They have all their, they just have so many good 01:02:29.351 --> 01:02:31.631 products and they all work really good with home assistant. 01:02:31.951 --> 01:02:35.991 It's just, it's a, it's, it's a real treat. So between the home assistant database 01:02:35.991 --> 01:02:40.771 and Zeus products alone, strong recommend, very much strong recommend. 01:02:40.911 --> 01:02:46.031 Like, you know, you want these things to work like infrastructure as reliable as a light switch. 01:02:46.591 --> 01:02:50.751 That's, that's my benchmark. That's the, if they fail that line, 01:02:50.751 --> 01:02:52.131 that's when I started to get upset. 01:02:52.271 --> 01:02:55.471 And so far they have, they have nailed that every single time. 01:02:55.971 --> 01:03:02.451 Well, Chris, we hinted at some heating issues that you were having in this V1 of your box. 01:03:03.511 --> 01:03:08.191 I'm curious, A, when are you going to solve that? Or do you need to solve it 01:03:08.191 --> 01:03:09.951 right away? And B, any ideas? 01:03:10.331 --> 01:03:13.911 I think he was planning to solve it after dropping the van tank. 01:03:14.151 --> 01:03:15.931 Yeah, right after we get here and get the van working. 01:03:16.091 --> 01:03:16.931 You're going to come install the fans? 01:03:17.191 --> 01:03:23.111 All right, I'm just going to get a boat thing. The fans are showing up during 01:03:23.111 --> 01:03:24.811 the show. They may be out on the porch right now. 01:03:25.031 --> 01:03:25.791 That's exciting. 01:03:25.791 --> 01:03:29.031 I cannot delay on this because even when it's an overcast day, 01:03:29.111 --> 01:03:32.371 the box is overheating. The O-Droid, it's the MVME. 01:03:32.591 --> 01:03:34.651 Everything else is fine, but the MVME. 01:03:34.831 --> 01:03:38.691 Have you considered trying to capture the heat to power a small motor? 01:03:39.431 --> 01:03:40.531 How hot are we talking? 01:03:42.513 --> 01:03:43.553 I think like 80 Celsius. 01:03:45.253 --> 01:03:48.553 Oh, that's like double the recommended temperature for hard drives. 01:03:49.153 --> 01:03:49.453 Yeah. 01:03:49.553 --> 01:03:55.233 That's not good. That's almost, you could almost boil water on that thing. See what I'm saying? 01:03:55.393 --> 01:03:55.613 Yeah. 01:03:55.953 --> 01:03:57.513 Yeah. You're right. I should capture that. 01:03:57.653 --> 01:04:00.733 Just put that thing in the chicken coop. Keep those chickens warm. 01:04:01.373 --> 01:04:05.393 I know. Really? Seriously? God. It's bad. 01:04:05.493 --> 01:04:10.373 All right. Also, I would love it if folks boosted in your outdoor frigate friendly cameras. 01:04:10.773 --> 01:04:15.693 Please send that in. And I also think we should do another round of Nick's router configs. 01:04:15.773 --> 01:04:16.233 Yeah, we should. 01:04:16.453 --> 01:04:19.333 Yeah, we should. A little compare and contrast, right? A little compare and 01:04:19.333 --> 01:04:21.673 contrast. See what you guys did versus what I did. 01:04:25.193 --> 01:04:28.393 Make it a Linux Tuesday on a Sunday. 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