WEBVTT 00:00:11.375 --> 00:00:15.735 Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris. 00:00:15.935 --> 00:00:16.655 My name is Wes. 00:00:16.855 --> 00:00:17.755 And my name is Brent. 00:00:18.215 --> 00:00:19.795 Hello, gentlemen. Well, coming 00:00:19.795 --> 00:00:23.375 up on the show today, we have something new and something old for you. 00:00:23.795 --> 00:00:26.795 Valve made some big Linux hardware news this week, so we're going to give you 00:00:26.795 --> 00:00:29.615 our take and the big things I think everyone's kind of overlooking. 00:00:30.595 --> 00:00:35.795 Then we have a souped up, refurbished one liter PC that might just work for 00:00:35.795 --> 00:00:40.495 my home lab. We're going to put the ThinkCenter M920Q through the tests, 00:00:40.555 --> 00:00:44.135 and then we'll round out the show with some great boos, some picks, and a lot more. 00:00:44.255 --> 00:00:47.695 So before I go any further, let's say time-appropriate greetings to that virtual 00:00:47.695 --> 00:00:48.455 log. Hello, Mumble Room! 00:00:48.635 --> 00:00:50.655 Hey, Chris, hey, Wes, and hello, Branch. 00:00:51.035 --> 00:00:53.355 You're doing good. You're representing. It's a small on-air crew. 00:00:53.435 --> 00:00:54.675 We've got some up in the quiet listening. 00:00:55.755 --> 00:00:58.675 Everybody's out. Otherwise, I think having a nice Sunday. Of course, 00:00:58.735 --> 00:01:02.715 our Mumble Room is live during the show. 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We'll have a link in the show notes. You do need to register. 00:03:00.345 --> 00:03:03.565 Listener Jonathan will be there giving a talk. He's a sysadmin at Red Hat, 00:03:03.745 --> 00:03:07.385 and he manages a fleet of laptops. That's neat. 00:03:07.645 --> 00:03:11.725 Yeah, this talk should explain what to consider when managing Linux workstations 00:03:11.725 --> 00:03:15.325 for remote or traveling employees, discuss some of the technology used, 00:03:15.365 --> 00:03:17.045 and how things have changed. 00:03:17.225 --> 00:03:21.225 Yeah, that's a non-trivial problem, and you'll love to see it being talked about 00:03:21.225 --> 00:03:25.385 because I'm someone who wants to work for employers that provide Linux laptops. 00:03:25.625 --> 00:03:28.725 So, you know, realistically, that comes with, like, compliance and other things 00:03:28.725 --> 00:03:33.125 that needs to happen to make it work in the org. So, you know, spread that knowledge. 00:03:33.365 --> 00:03:37.025 I did do the travel math. If I was willing to drive 11 hours a day, 00:03:37.245 --> 00:03:40.405 it'd be 3.7 days of driving. 00:03:40.845 --> 00:03:42.805 3.7 days total of driving to get one way. 00:03:43.265 --> 00:03:44.905 You could totally do it. We've done worse. 00:03:45.425 --> 00:03:46.445 It's a bit of a trek. 00:03:47.125 --> 00:03:50.905 I know this is one we've been wanting to make for years now. 00:03:51.085 --> 00:03:52.485 Yeah. But it has eluded us. 00:03:52.905 --> 00:03:56.845 Tell you what, fly in somewhere, I'll pick you up, and then that'll shorten your drive. 00:03:57.165 --> 00:03:58.485 I like this idea. 00:03:58.625 --> 00:04:01.565 And we still sort of get like an artificial road trip. out of it. 00:04:01.565 --> 00:04:03.765 You get to ride in the van. 00:04:03.765 --> 00:04:06.705 Perhaps in our absence uh 00:04:06.705 --> 00:04:10.945 some of you could go and either boost us a little report emails report or even 00:04:10.945 --> 00:04:15.045 better show up in the mumble room and tell us how ohio linux fest went again 00:04:15.045 --> 00:04:19.325 it's on december 6th we'll have links to the web page and you do need to register 00:04:19.325 --> 00:04:24.245 so all that information will be in the show notes at linuxunplugged.com slash 641, 00:04:27.710 --> 00:04:32.330 Well, Valve made some big news this week. They announced a whole lineup of hardware. 00:04:32.770 --> 00:04:37.570 We have a new Steam frame, an updated Steam controller, and the Steam machine 00:04:37.570 --> 00:04:40.790 is back in a new and revamped way. 00:04:41.230 --> 00:04:43.550 And they're all running Steam OS. 00:04:44.930 --> 00:04:46.590 The implications feel pretty big here. 00:04:46.750 --> 00:04:49.570 The fact that they're all running Steam OS, I think, is the thing that jumps 00:04:49.570 --> 00:04:53.930 out at me first. This is what we were hoping for in our, was it our predictions? 00:04:54.250 --> 00:05:00.250 Did someone predict this? but that feels like quite a good thing for the linux ecosystem. 00:05:00.250 --> 00:05:03.630 Kind of a doubling down from them right like um we 00:05:03.630 --> 00:05:06.370 had this first go around if this if this was the 00:05:06.370 --> 00:05:10.830 usual like uh random government agency switches to linux then like they would 00:05:10.830 --> 00:05:14.650 have already cycled back a few times uh by now but like instead we're getting 00:05:14.650 --> 00:05:20.070 steam machine take two but they've spent like the last decade building out a 00:05:20.070 --> 00:05:23.790 whole bunch of cool technology underneath to to make it work out hopefully a 00:05:23.790 --> 00:05:25.030 lot better this time yeah. 00:05:25.030 --> 00:05:28.170 If it was a movie trailer or something the subtitle would be it would be steam 00:05:28.170 --> 00:05:35.090 machine 2 and the subtitle would be lessons learned right because that's that's the sense i got and i. 00:05:35.090 --> 00:05:35.610 Or i. 00:05:35.610 --> 00:05:38.510 Tried to devour all the interviews and that was the sense i got is they incorporated 00:05:38.510 --> 00:05:42.690 everything they've learned from proton and linux development and steam deck 00:05:42.690 --> 00:05:45.110 and they realized oh we would do the steam machine way differently now, 00:05:46.224 --> 00:05:51.104 So Gabe quotes, Gabe said, quote, we've been super happy with the success of 00:05:51.104 --> 00:05:54.704 the Steam Deck and PC gamers have continued asking for even more ways to play 00:05:54.704 --> 00:05:56.484 all the great titles of their Steam libraries. 00:05:57.024 --> 00:06:01.304 I will admit I have wanted them to do more with VR. So here's just to go over it. 00:06:01.364 --> 00:06:07.124 The 2026 lineup, which they say early 2026, is a updated Steam controller. 00:06:07.904 --> 00:06:12.184 Quite a nice update to it, actually, with magnetic sticks and new trackpads 00:06:12.184 --> 00:06:15.984 and all that. And they're including, which you're going to hear more about this, 00:06:16.124 --> 00:06:21.124 a low-latency wireless dongle, which is also built in to the Steam machine. 00:06:21.804 --> 00:06:24.824 Yeah, doesn't it seem nice? I don't know. I mean, I've only seen a couple of 00:06:24.824 --> 00:06:29.644 clips, but just the UX around it, the fit and finish, it seemed like a great idea. 00:06:30.244 --> 00:06:32.984 Brent, I get a sense you're the most excited about the new Steam machine, 00:06:32.984 --> 00:06:39.144 which is a six-inch cube aimed for the living room. It's got a Zen 4 processor in it. 00:06:39.244 --> 00:06:42.964 I guess that's six times, they say, more powerful than the Steam Deck. 00:06:43.484 --> 00:06:43.884 Wow. 00:06:44.004 --> 00:06:45.984 So it's a little box, a little Steam machine. 00:06:46.504 --> 00:06:50.364 Considering what some listeners have done with the Steam Deck and their portability 00:06:50.364 --> 00:06:54.464 and traveling, I think, yes, this is the kind of machine you and I love, 00:06:54.564 --> 00:06:58.344 Chris. A little tiny thing you could just plunk anywhere that gets all the work 00:06:58.344 --> 00:07:00.284 done. And, oh, wait, I said work. 00:07:00.444 --> 00:07:02.764 This is a gaming machine. Wait a second. 00:07:03.644 --> 00:07:07.244 Well, you know, I mean, it probably does make a nice little desktop machine, too. 00:07:07.564 --> 00:07:13.124 I mean, you do love seeing them. Even Steam, you know, saying that as part of their adverts. 00:07:13.264 --> 00:07:13.464 Yes. 00:07:13.724 --> 00:07:16.644 I will note, just as, you know, it's getting called the GameCube, 00:07:16.684 --> 00:07:20.424 and as a GameCube fan, the only thing I'm really missing from it is, 00:07:20.504 --> 00:07:21.684 where's the nice little handle? 00:07:22.622 --> 00:07:24.382 That does need a handle. You're right. 00:07:24.622 --> 00:07:27.602 Maybe there'll be 3D, you know, 3D printed aftermarket stuff you can get. 00:07:28.282 --> 00:07:34.142 People will build them for sure. For sure. And this, again, made for the living room. 00:07:34.202 --> 00:07:37.422 So probably people that were Steam Deck or are Steam Deck customers and always 00:07:37.422 --> 00:07:42.622 leave it hooked up to the TV, which I guess is 20%. I think that was the number they quoted. 00:07:42.882 --> 00:07:46.022 Yeah, I'm wondering about that because it does it does feel like console targeted. 00:07:46.182 --> 00:07:50.042 I wonder how you feel about the value to money. You mentioned like a 6x factor 00:07:50.042 --> 00:07:53.262 or something. But I've seen some people a little unhappy, feeling like maybe 00:07:53.262 --> 00:07:56.902 we don't really know the full price details or anything, but just feeling like 00:07:56.902 --> 00:07:59.262 maybe this isn't going to be long term competitive. 00:07:59.962 --> 00:08:04.702 Yeah, that's a good question. That is a good question. I'm a little. Yeah, I agree. 00:08:05.002 --> 00:08:07.642 I'm a little underwhelmed. I feel like I could build a more powerful system, 00:08:07.822 --> 00:08:09.302 but we don't know what the price. Yeah. 00:08:09.302 --> 00:08:12.582 Maybe if to your point, they're targeting more casual folks that you just want 00:08:12.582 --> 00:08:16.942 something that'll work well enough. You're not necessarily nitpicking over triple A frame rates. 00:08:17.882 --> 00:08:21.722 What I understand is their goal was you could play the majority of the Steam 00:08:21.722 --> 00:08:26.082 library at a 4K resolution on a TV with not everything turned up, 00:08:26.222 --> 00:08:27.502 but like decent settings. 00:08:27.802 --> 00:08:28.122 Yeah, okay. 00:08:28.282 --> 00:08:33.762 And then they're going to release essentially an API that game developers can use. 00:08:33.842 --> 00:08:37.262 So when it loads on one of these Steam devices, they know which type of Steam 00:08:37.262 --> 00:08:42.442 device they're on and they can preset the game video settings to be optimized for that machine. 00:08:42.622 --> 00:08:43.342 Oh, okay. 00:08:43.722 --> 00:08:47.102 Yeah. So that's one of the ways they're going to eek a little extra out of what 00:08:47.102 --> 00:08:49.162 might otherwise be slightly underwhelming specs. 00:08:50.362 --> 00:08:53.962 But the thing I think that I'm the most excited about, I'm curious to hear how you guys feel. 00:08:55.348 --> 00:08:58.028 And this is the part I think I might have predicted, as I think I predicted 00:08:58.028 --> 00:09:00.608 before we saw the next Steam Deck, we'd see them do something in VR. 00:09:00.888 --> 00:09:05.468 And now we have. It's called the Steam Frame, a lightweight standalone streaming 00:09:05.468 --> 00:09:10.708 VR headset powered by a Snapdragon 8 ARM processor. 00:09:11.248 --> 00:09:16.928 It has eye tracking and something that Valve has called foveated streaming. 00:09:17.228 --> 00:09:20.288 So this thing is really designed to be able to stream games to it. 00:09:20.368 --> 00:09:24.328 You can also play games locally, but it's designed around the intention of streaming 00:09:24.328 --> 00:09:26.588 any game from Steam on your desktop. 00:09:26.948 --> 00:09:31.548 And the foveated streaming is something that happens after the game has been 00:09:31.548 --> 00:09:33.048 rendered on the remote PC. 00:09:33.228 --> 00:09:37.308 So the remote PC's GPU works hard. So you can have a nice fancy sucker in there. 00:09:37.388 --> 00:09:39.128 And it renders the game frames. 00:09:39.268 --> 00:09:43.128 And then just before the software sends it off to the frame that you have on 00:09:43.128 --> 00:09:47.708 your face, it spends all the time in the video and all that rendering only the 00:09:47.708 --> 00:09:51.288 part that you're looking at because the frame is tracking your eyes. 00:09:51.648 --> 00:09:54.828 And so if you were to somehow be able to zoom out and look at the entire picture 00:09:54.828 --> 00:10:00.068 only the exact spot you're looking at has all of the resources and everything 00:10:00.068 --> 00:10:04.108 else is lower res lower rendered and so it's only doing its most, 00:10:04.848 --> 00:10:09.188 computational workload exactly where you are focused you can't tell because 00:10:09.188 --> 00:10:10.808 you're not looking anywhere else so. 00:10:10.808 --> 00:10:15.488 Does that mean it's streaming your eye tracking data back to the um the host rendering platform. 00:10:15.488 --> 00:10:18.168 That's what i have to reckon yeah it must 00:10:18.168 --> 00:10:20.968 be that kind of data going back and 00:10:20.968 --> 00:10:24.788 forth very cool and very 00:10:24.788 --> 00:10:28.808 impressive the other thing about the frame is that 00:10:28.808 --> 00:10:32.488 it is really going to be quite customizable the entire machine is just in the 00:10:32.488 --> 00:10:36.508 front piece like the little tiny visor piece that pops off and there is just 00:10:36.508 --> 00:10:40.508 going to be a world of accessories to make this thing comfortable and i think 00:10:40.508 --> 00:10:47.608 the part that people have have mentioned but have maybe glossed over is this is a full, 00:10:47.608 --> 00:10:50.568 it is ARM, but it is a full Steam machine. 00:10:52.134 --> 00:10:55.574 So that means you can sideload software on this thing. 00:10:56.634 --> 00:11:04.114 And it also means that you can run Linux desktop mode on the Steam frame, on the VR headset. 00:11:05.894 --> 00:11:08.794 This is exactly what you've been asking for. 00:11:08.934 --> 00:11:11.794 Yeah, right? How much time have you spent recreating this? Strap a computer to my face. 00:11:11.794 --> 00:11:12.354 He says. 00:11:13.034 --> 00:11:17.654 Wouldn't it be sort of ironic if Valve was the one to bring this to the mainstream? 00:11:17.794 --> 00:11:21.074 Because, you know, there's devices out there that do this. And so I haven't 00:11:21.074 --> 00:11:24.094 heard a lot of people talk about this, but it did come up in an engineering chat. 00:11:24.674 --> 00:11:28.254 And I will link to the full video in the show notes, but here's the bit relevant 00:11:28.254 --> 00:11:29.934 to the Linux desktop on the frame. 00:11:30.094 --> 00:11:34.474 For the microSD card, it's not just for SteamOS games, but any type of media 00:11:34.474 --> 00:11:36.534 content also works on that? 00:11:36.674 --> 00:11:38.914 Are you thinking of it works as extra storage? Media content, 00:11:39.234 --> 00:11:40.654 it's certainly your computer. 00:11:40.914 --> 00:11:44.034 So you as a computer owner can do anything you want with that data storage. 00:11:44.454 --> 00:11:47.574 We tend to think about this as a gaming device first and foremost. 00:11:47.574 --> 00:11:52.594 So while we don't restrict or limit any media options, that is very much not 00:11:52.594 --> 00:11:53.674 our focus out of the gate. 00:11:54.254 --> 00:11:57.534 We'll see what people do with it. Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that a microSD 00:11:57.534 --> 00:12:00.914 card formatted for SteamOS to read it, if you go to desktop mode, 00:12:00.914 --> 00:12:04.534 you'd be able to open files in there and look at it from the file browser. Yeah. 00:12:05.014 --> 00:12:09.934 Does a headset render in a standard resolution? Is that configurable? 00:12:10.754 --> 00:12:14.574 Well, the headset is locked to 2160 by 2160. SteamOS, I guess. 00:12:15.054 --> 00:12:18.454 SteamVR. Yeah, SteamVR and SteamOS, it's all dynamic. All dynamic, okay. 00:12:18.494 --> 00:12:21.134 Yeah, so even when you launch desktop mode, it's less of a mode and more you 00:12:21.134 --> 00:12:24.554 hit a button and you have a desktop window and it could be a big one or a smaller one. Right, okay. 00:12:26.134 --> 00:12:28.474 That could be really neat. It could suck. 00:12:32.474 --> 00:12:38.654 But if you could bring a little high-powered armed face computer and get a Linux 00:12:38.654 --> 00:12:44.894 desktop, a stable plasma Linux desktop, that's pretty exciting. 00:12:44.894 --> 00:12:47.914 That can also game, can also stream stuff from your other computers. 00:12:49.479 --> 00:12:52.839 That, to me, PJ, are you feeling what I'm putting down? Doesn't that feel like 00:12:52.839 --> 00:12:54.179 a compelling product from Valve? 00:12:54.339 --> 00:12:57.819 And you know how Valve leaves these things open. So, like emulators, 00:12:57.859 --> 00:12:59.619 you could sideload on an SD card. 00:13:00.499 --> 00:13:01.759 This sounds like your device. 00:13:02.619 --> 00:13:06.319 The things I'm feeling are indescribable. Like, this thing has me so fired up. 00:13:07.439 --> 00:13:12.459 Oh, man. The work they've done, and I kind of called this out a while back when 00:13:12.459 --> 00:13:13.799 we started seeing the rumors. 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:17.579 Oh, Valve is working on ARM stuff and x86 translation. 00:13:17.579 --> 00:13:20.579 And i'm like oh this is headset this is definitely headset 00:13:20.579 --> 00:13:23.379 they're not going to do x86 for a headset and sure enough 00:13:23.379 --> 00:13:26.239 we got a headset and that and that right 00:13:26.239 --> 00:13:29.579 there the fact that it's running steam ls it's running linux it's not 00:13:29.579 --> 00:13:33.039 just this isn't great for gaming they are making the 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.919 apple walled garden for gaming using open source and 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:38.739 that is so exciting nobody else is doing this 00:13:38.739 --> 00:13:42.159 nobody else is making a full range of 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.679 hardware and software that works together for a 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.599 use case in this case gaming that all 00:13:48.599 --> 00:13:52.399 works together really really well and and being powered by linux and open source 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:59.459 is incredible and having that compatibility layer having it on arm able to run 00:13:59.459 --> 00:14:03.379 x86 software we'll see i don't have very high hopes for that because you never 00:14:03.379 --> 00:14:06.499 know but i do have high hopes that, 00:14:07.219 --> 00:14:12.119 the system's going to work well for what it's intended to do and i think it's going to. 00:14:13.234 --> 00:14:16.034 Over achieve the way the steam deck like the 00:14:16.034 --> 00:14:19.134 steam deck isn't the steam deck isn't the most powerful hardware 00:14:19.134 --> 00:14:22.074 obviously we know that but it still punches way above 00:14:22.074 --> 00:14:26.174 its its weight class in terms of raw performance and raw power and i i think 00:14:26.174 --> 00:14:30.294 we're going to get the same thing here that foveated streaming it comes with 00:14:30.294 --> 00:14:34.714 a dedicated dongle as well as something people need to understand everyone's 00:14:34.714 --> 00:14:39.774 wi-fi sucks everybody's wi-fi sucks they solve that by giving you a little router 00:14:39.774 --> 00:14:41.074 i've given you a dongle yep. 00:14:41.074 --> 00:14:43.234 Yeah that is a good that was a great move. 00:14:43.234 --> 00:14:47.314 And putting everything on six gigahertz that matters having three different 00:14:47.314 --> 00:14:52.554 radios all doing different things on the on the frame itself as well man this 00:14:52.554 --> 00:14:55.414 is exciting i i i've been wanting to get into, 00:14:56.034 --> 00:14:58.874 into vr for a while i've got a computer for it now 00:14:58.874 --> 00:15:03.434 you know uh even the index has been on my site but they never never went on 00:15:03.434 --> 00:15:08.234 sale right so for me it's exciting i'm worried about the wireless factor but 00:15:08.234 --> 00:15:12.114 i think they've got that covered with the dedicated streaming hardware the standalone 00:15:12.114 --> 00:15:16.174 stuff 8 16 gigs of ram like it's a powerful computer on your face, 00:15:16.794 --> 00:15:22.314 rumors to sideload apks for android it's it's armed so you know way droid stuff 00:15:22.314 --> 00:15:27.354 like that a lot of the vr games or apks are on android meta quest style but 00:15:27.354 --> 00:15:29.694 open source i'm you're gonna be able to fired up. 00:15:29.694 --> 00:15:35.754 Yeah i i also feel pretty excited about it of course i'm reserving some judgment based on the price. 00:15:35.914 --> 00:15:39.234 We know we're going to have two versions. It'll be a 256 gigabyte and a one 00:15:39.234 --> 00:15:40.834 terabyte versions of the frame. 00:15:41.054 --> 00:15:43.994 The dev program is starting very soon. 00:15:44.274 --> 00:15:48.934 Kits will start going out mid-November. So probably in the next couple of weeks, 00:15:48.954 --> 00:15:51.414 you're going to start seeing these kits go out. 00:15:51.554 --> 00:15:52.814 They claim the price will be 00:15:52.814 --> 00:15:57.414 lower than the index. So if it's under a grand, man, I'm sold. I'm sold. 00:15:57.774 --> 00:16:01.194 Like it's still, the quest is still way cheaper, but you know, 00:16:01.614 --> 00:16:02.794 pay for what you get, I guess. 00:16:03.154 --> 00:16:06.674 This is one of the big questions. But Valve... 00:16:07.803 --> 00:16:10.483 I don't know about the price, but I want to go back to something you said earlier, 00:16:10.683 --> 00:16:13.783 and that was how the deck seems to punch above its weight. 00:16:14.603 --> 00:16:18.343 We are watching Valve now having figured out the game, right? 00:16:18.943 --> 00:16:23.883 Just like we saw with the deck with Proton, we're watching them invest in the 00:16:23.883 --> 00:16:27.143 technology stack way out ahead of time. 00:16:28.763 --> 00:16:33.303 Getting the infrastructure ready at the open source level way ahead of time. 00:16:33.303 --> 00:16:38.603 And then when it's ready, bring it into their product and making something seemingly 00:16:38.603 --> 00:16:44.263 impossible possible before it was good Windows gaming on Linux and now it's ARM. 00:16:45.858 --> 00:16:51.198 On or x86 games on arm and this is where fex comes in f-e-x and we've talked 00:16:51.198 --> 00:16:55.838 about it very briefly on the show it's a translation layer of sorts right west 00:16:55.838 --> 00:16:57.738 it's kind of like an api translation layer. 00:16:57.738 --> 00:17:04.358 Yep fex allows you to run x86 applications on arm 64 linux devices similar to 00:17:04.358 --> 00:17:09.978 what you might do with like qemu user or box 64 um and then not only can you 00:17:09.978 --> 00:17:15.318 do it just in general but it's also meant to be used alongside things like Wine and Proton. 00:17:15.418 --> 00:17:19.698 So you can have a chance to play x86 Windows games on ARM Linux. 00:17:19.898 --> 00:17:23.638 And then it even has tricks to make that work, like it supports forwarding API 00:17:23.638 --> 00:17:26.818 calls to host system libraries like OpenGL or Vulkan. 00:17:27.138 --> 00:17:30.638 So instead of doing sort of like the dumbest layer of just emulate everything, 00:17:31.318 --> 00:17:34.478 you can sort of figure out like, oh, I could just directly translate this call 00:17:34.478 --> 00:17:36.198 without having to go through the layers of emulation. 00:17:36.618 --> 00:17:43.338 That you can make this work at all, let alone be performant enough to play games enjoyably incredible. 00:17:43.338 --> 00:17:46.758 Yes yeah really um it's 00:17:46.758 --> 00:17:50.358 something i've been meaning to try around on my uh my macbook 00:17:50.358 --> 00:17:53.098 pro i played around with it for like 10 minutes the part 00:17:53.098 --> 00:17:56.278 you just touched on there at the end that it understands if a 00:17:56.278 --> 00:17:59.318 game is making an open gl or a vulcan call it 00:17:59.318 --> 00:18:02.538 doesn't need to emulate that it can just pass that 00:18:02.538 --> 00:18:05.598 through natively or if it's if it's a direct 00:18:05.598 --> 00:18:08.298 x call that it can translate to a vulcan call it can do 00:18:08.298 --> 00:18:12.998 that too but if the game if it's a windows game that's already using open gl 00:18:12.998 --> 00:18:18.158 or vulcan it can pass it right through to the native subsystem which is which 00:18:18.158 --> 00:18:24.818 is a similar trick apple uses with rosetta 2 on the arm macbooks you do have 00:18:24.818 --> 00:18:27.418 to have arm 8 hardware but this is where valve has. 00:18:29.718 --> 00:18:32.698 This long-term thinking, building out these open-source projects, 00:18:34.063 --> 00:18:39.003 Now they have total control over the OS, the software environment that makes 00:18:39.003 --> 00:18:40.263 it possible, and the hardware. 00:18:41.383 --> 00:18:45.503 Like Jeff was kind of saying, it's almost the Apple ecosystem of gaming hardware 00:18:45.503 --> 00:18:48.963 in the sense that they can optimize everything in that entire stack. 00:18:49.643 --> 00:18:52.643 And even after it ships, they can continue to optimize it like we've seen with 00:18:52.643 --> 00:18:57.163 the deck. The deck got better after it came out. It got faster after it came out. 00:18:57.583 --> 00:19:00.663 Games ran better. More games after it came out. 00:19:01.063 --> 00:19:04.083 And that was just them issuing software updates. since they have that whole 00:19:04.083 --> 00:19:07.503 stack and they have fex to emulate 00:19:07.503 --> 00:19:10.743 x86 programs on arm in a way that isn't 00:19:10.743 --> 00:19:13.563 miserable and of 00:19:13.563 --> 00:19:19.223 course we'll see but this to me is one of the absolute missing pieces because 00:19:19.223 --> 00:19:23.623 when i run linux arm which i do pretty frequently everything's a web app for 00:19:23.623 --> 00:19:28.043 me so few things are x86 and if this could be expanded to run other programs 00:19:28.043 --> 00:19:31.183 down the future sort of like you can with Wine and Proton. 00:19:31.943 --> 00:19:35.443 Oh boy. Because you can use it alongside with Wine and Proton, 00:19:35.503 --> 00:19:37.983 of course. You have to be able to. It's just very exciting. 00:19:38.183 --> 00:19:42.243 And to see them kind of put all this in there together, I think the ultimate 00:19:42.243 --> 00:19:46.183 result down the road will be, 00:19:46.903 --> 00:19:54.583 it may become too prohibitive for these game vendors to use this horrible anti-cheat software. 00:19:55.343 --> 00:20:00.023 Because if 20% of your player base is on Steam hardware at some point in the 00:20:00.023 --> 00:20:05.123 future, then you're going to have to do something that lets them play your game 00:20:05.123 --> 00:20:08.143 on their hardware because that's a big customer base at that point. 00:20:08.263 --> 00:20:11.723 And this is sort of happening in a broader context of the gaming ecosystem where 00:20:11.723 --> 00:20:13.423 Xbox is kind of pulling back. 00:20:14.739 --> 00:20:19.059 The consoles are sort of tired. This is a really nice value proposition. 00:20:19.479 --> 00:20:24.159 And if on top of this, we can build out more and more users running these games 00:20:24.159 --> 00:20:28.239 on Linux, on Steam hardware, these game manufacturers, they're going to have 00:20:28.239 --> 00:20:29.879 to respond, right? They're going to have to. 00:20:30.379 --> 00:20:34.179 Because anti-cheat to me seems like the biggest problem still for these devices, right? 00:20:34.939 --> 00:20:38.399 I just totally agree that developers need to get on board. 00:20:39.619 --> 00:20:43.819 There's a lot of news like, oh, Steam. Valve is a monopoly and Steam's a monopoly 00:20:43.819 --> 00:20:46.119 in the gaming sphere. It's like, well, there's no competition, 00:20:46.159 --> 00:20:50.159 you know, step it up, step up your game and, and, and actually compete in that 00:20:50.159 --> 00:20:52.379 aspect. And the anti-cheat stuff is a big part of it. 00:20:52.659 --> 00:20:55.859 You know, Valve kind of lets the developers do what they want to do in a lot of ways. 00:20:56.499 --> 00:20:59.819 And they just lay it out. It's like, Hey, do you want to be on our platform? 00:20:59.959 --> 00:21:02.719 Do you want to play your games on this great selling hardware? 00:21:03.099 --> 00:21:06.219 Then it's got to run on Linux. You got to get rid of that anti-cheat. 00:21:06.439 --> 00:21:09.039 And I'm really, really hoping that game developers step it up and, 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:13.899 and go that way as well. Especially now that we have even more hardware to, to play those games on. 00:21:14.899 --> 00:21:19.099 I'm trying to think of, I'm trying to think of who the ideal customer is for this, Brent. 00:21:19.699 --> 00:21:23.119 Who do you think the ideal customer is for the, for the steam machine? 00:21:23.199 --> 00:21:26.439 Not so much for the frame, but for the steam machine, that kind of console thing. 00:21:26.439 --> 00:21:33.059 Well i think it's me and you to be honest like i maybe i hesitate to buy consoles because, 00:21:34.159 --> 00:21:36.939 i'm not that much of a gamer i used to be there's 00:21:36.939 --> 00:21:39.819 a nostalgia there but i just i don't know every time 00:21:39.819 --> 00:21:42.999 i've tried to you know set up a system it's uh hoops 00:21:42.999 --> 00:21:50.859 to jump through but having a little mini pc that i could use in place of the 00:21:50.859 --> 00:21:56.419 mini pc i bought last year for instance but also have it just like be work all 00:21:56.419 --> 00:22:00.299 the time 100 of the time for some gaming when i do want to jump in that could 00:22:00.299 --> 00:22:02.799 totally convert my sort of, 00:22:04.735 --> 00:22:08.295 the way that I've been a gamer, but I'm no longer a gamer. 00:22:08.515 --> 00:22:13.055 So this may convert a lot of people into gaming, which for Valve, 00:22:13.155 --> 00:22:14.595 I would imagine is a good thing. 00:22:14.795 --> 00:22:17.935 You know, they're, they're reaching out on the edges of their current customer 00:22:17.935 --> 00:22:24.075 base and potentially converting new people to gaming, especially gaming on their platforms. 00:22:24.495 --> 00:22:28.455 Uh, it I'm tempted for the first time in decades, I have to say. 00:22:29.095 --> 00:22:33.175 It's, it's ideal for people like you and me that either live on laptops or B links. 00:22:33.175 --> 00:22:36.195 So it's nice to have a but also i was thinking of 00:22:36.195 --> 00:22:39.335 we hear more and more people that are leaving windows with windows 00:22:39.335 --> 00:22:42.975 11 frustrations and the end of windows 10 support and 00:22:42.975 --> 00:22:46.175 this just seems like another license to leave windows now you can 00:22:46.175 --> 00:22:48.975 go get your framework you can go get your macbook or 00:22:48.975 --> 00:22:52.035 whatever it is if that's the way you're going and you can still get access to your 00:22:52.035 --> 00:22:54.875 library of pc games and now you can just let valve 00:22:54.875 --> 00:22:59.555 handle it um or somebody else right nothing nothing prohibits somebody else 00:22:59.555 --> 00:23:04.795 from coming along but to me that feels pretty powerful and i think just as the 00:23:04.795 --> 00:23:08.435 steam deck has moved the needle a little bit more for linux gaming i think so 00:23:08.435 --> 00:23:13.215 will the frame and the steam machine and hopefully the long-term result is these anti-cheats go away. 00:23:13.215 --> 00:23:14.755 I do have a question for you chris. 00:23:14.755 --> 00:23:16.175 Okay uh. 00:23:16.175 --> 00:23:20.175 If on day of release you know let's say you decided to buy something but you 00:23:20.175 --> 00:23:25.335 had to choose between the frame and the steam machine which one would you go for. 00:23:26.639 --> 00:23:27.819 Oh, 100% the frame. 00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:30.039 Uh-huh. I was hoping you'd say that. 00:23:30.219 --> 00:23:30.259 Oh, 100%. 00:23:30.259 --> 00:23:31.079 Say more, please. 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:37.239 Well, you know, I've always dreamed of a decent VR headset that would let me 00:23:37.239 --> 00:23:43.119 get work done in the RV with essentially either a ginormous screen. 00:23:43.679 --> 00:23:46.579 And so what, of course, I've just ended up doing is I tried the Quest for a 00:23:46.579 --> 00:23:51.039 while. But the issue there is you have to run this client software and all that. And it can break. 00:23:51.439 --> 00:23:55.779 And so I just got an ultra-wide screen. But it's a ridiculously oversized monitor for the space. 00:23:56.639 --> 00:23:59.539 So what would be great is to have my laptop at home or something. 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:01.399 And then when I need the big space, I put the frame on. 00:24:01.499 --> 00:24:05.419 And if the frame is a computer itself, that's pretty awesome. 00:24:06.159 --> 00:24:10.119 That's pretty powerful. I don't really want to stream my desktop. I mean, I might. 00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:16.119 Maybe I will like that. But I love the idea of a persistent workspace in the frame. 00:24:16.999 --> 00:24:21.639 My local user data is there. And I can just pull it up in a window in a space, 00:24:21.779 --> 00:24:23.079 maybe have multiple windows even one day. 00:24:23.859 --> 00:24:26.559 That to me would be probably more useful than a gaming computer. 00:24:26.639 --> 00:24:29.239 But I know I'm a weird one. That's just odd. 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:32.319 I'd like to actually punt that to the audience. 00:24:33.159 --> 00:24:36.739 And I'd like to ask you out there, what's your reaction to the Valve news? 00:24:37.139 --> 00:24:39.579 And are you in the market for one of these in 2026? 00:24:40.059 --> 00:24:44.239 And what do you think the pricing is going to be for the frame and the Steam machine? 00:24:45.099 --> 00:24:49.059 Boost in and let us know your reaction, if you're going to get one, 00:24:49.159 --> 00:24:50.379 and what you think the pricing will be. 00:24:51.259 --> 00:24:52.939 Or what your price level is. 00:24:53.059 --> 00:24:55.179 Maybe. Where do you need it to be if you're going to pick one up? 00:24:56.219 --> 00:25:00.739 My, yeah, my question is, how comfortable would you, and be realistic, 00:25:01.679 --> 00:25:03.519 you know, because it's never as cheap as we really want. 00:25:07.693 --> 00:25:13.253 1password.com slash unplugged. 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Go to 1Password.com slash unplugged. 00:27:34.906 --> 00:27:39.786 That is the number one, then password.com slash unplugged, all lowercase. 00:27:40.366 --> 00:27:43.086 1password.com slash unplugged. 00:27:46.693 --> 00:27:51.033 Now, with all that talk of hardware, of course, we're constantly working on 00:27:51.033 --> 00:27:53.053 our own hardware in our home lab setups. 00:27:53.373 --> 00:27:57.273 I know for a good part of the summer and even into this fall, 00:27:57.453 --> 00:28:02.853 we were setting up the home assistant in my van. And that has turned out wonderfully. 00:28:03.633 --> 00:28:05.913 Jeff, thanks for the hardware again. I don't know why you gave it away. 00:28:06.033 --> 00:28:10.113 It's great. That said, Chris, we haven't really done any upgrades to your setup, 00:28:10.233 --> 00:28:14.813 but you in the last few episodes have kind of hinted that you need a new box. 00:28:14.813 --> 00:28:20.293 And it so turns out we have amazing listeners and listener Alex sent a previously 00:28:20.293 --> 00:28:25.793 loved Lenovo ThinkCenter M920Q, which is a little tiny one liter PC. 00:28:26.493 --> 00:28:32.873 We have to try it out and put it to the task. And well, wasn't there a note in that box too? 00:28:32.953 --> 00:28:37.933 Ah, there was. Alex included a note in the box. I always really appreciate that. 00:28:38.733 --> 00:28:41.873 Wait, that sounds like you have the map. I think that's the wrong. 00:28:41.953 --> 00:28:45.213 Similar. It's not quite as big, doesn't have all the dynamic tiles that Wes has added. 00:28:45.413 --> 00:28:50.593 But Alex writes, hey, Chris, Wes, and Brent, glad I could help out the show. 00:28:50.773 --> 00:28:54.553 Inside the box, you're going to find a Lenovo ThinkCenter M920Q. 00:28:54.793 --> 00:29:01.053 It's running 32 gigs of RAM, a 1 terabyte NVMe, a 250 gig SSD that might still 00:29:01.053 --> 00:29:03.833 have Windows hanging around on it, and the power brick's in there, too. 00:29:04.093 --> 00:29:08.633 I decided to add some fun extras for my tinkering. There's a PCIe riser card 00:29:08.633 --> 00:29:11.833 that exposes the PCIe 3.08X slot. 00:29:12.153 --> 00:29:16.553 So you can drop proper PCIe cards in. I used it with a gigabit Ethernet card 00:29:16.553 --> 00:29:20.793 when I was experimenting with the system as a PFSense box. 00:29:21.073 --> 00:29:23.613 And then later tried a secondary NVMe drive. Both worked well. 00:29:23.773 --> 00:29:29.273 I even tested the NVMe adapter in place of the Wi-Fi card. It was functional-ish. 00:29:30.061 --> 00:29:36.161 He says, while digging through the parts bin, I found an unopened SkyConnect 00:29:36.161 --> 00:29:38.561 Zigbee adapter from when it was first launched. 00:29:38.821 --> 00:29:41.601 Chris, I remember your Zigbee adventures. Maybe this one plays nice. 00:29:41.781 --> 00:29:44.501 I've since moved to PoE gear, so it's all yours. 00:29:44.681 --> 00:29:49.021 And because I can't stand shipping a box with empty space, I tossed in a few 00:29:49.021 --> 00:29:52.041 Cafu smart plugs that work great with the HP home. 00:29:52.481 --> 00:29:55.441 I've gone mostly in-wall for my setup, so these need a better home. 00:29:55.441 --> 00:29:58.981 Oh, and these tiny skeletons I've included, those are left over from our annual 00:29:58.981 --> 00:30:00.581 Halloween gifts that I 3D printed. 00:30:00.841 --> 00:30:04.041 They just felt like they belonged in there. You probably don't see my name pop 00:30:04.041 --> 00:30:06.541 up in the booth, but I've been a monthly member for a long time. 00:30:06.821 --> 00:30:08.921 Always in the background, tuning in every week. 00:30:09.341 --> 00:30:11.601 Monday mornings start with Linux Unplugged for me. 00:30:12.041 --> 00:30:14.901 Anyways, hope you enjoy the hardware or at least some laughs out of the gear. 00:30:15.121 --> 00:30:18.741 And hey, the ATL is absolutely ripe for a live show. 00:30:19.881 --> 00:30:23.801 Hey, the ATL is absolutely ripe for a live show. I appreciate everything you guys do. Thanks, Alex. 00:30:24.241 --> 00:30:25.141 Thank you, Alex. 00:30:25.441 --> 00:30:26.061 This is awesome. 00:30:26.361 --> 00:30:29.941 These smart plugs are great that he included. I'm going to set a couple aside 00:30:29.941 --> 00:30:31.421 for you, Wes, so you can play with these two. 00:30:32.461 --> 00:30:35.141 And they, I think, I don't know if they came preloaded with, 00:30:35.221 --> 00:30:37.921 yeah, yeah, they come preloaded with ESP Home. 00:30:39.181 --> 00:30:45.841 And it's an ESP8266 in here. And because of that, it has full energy monitoring, which I love. 00:30:45.921 --> 00:30:46.521 That is awesome. 00:30:47.161 --> 00:30:48.181 The workflow is, 00:30:49.117 --> 00:30:51.637 Dead simple with these. I'll put a link to them in the show notes. 00:30:51.757 --> 00:30:53.877 You plug them in. They create a little AP. 00:30:54.397 --> 00:30:57.977 You join that. The first thing that comes up is it has a CAPTCHA, 00:30:58.177 --> 00:31:01.057 but the CAPTCHA is just select your Wi-Fi, your real Wi-Fi network. 00:31:01.317 --> 00:31:05.117 And so you do that, and then it reboots, and it's on your Wi-Fi. 00:31:05.377 --> 00:31:08.757 And then about two seconds later, Home Assistant auto detects it. 00:31:08.917 --> 00:31:09.137 Excellent. 00:31:10.157 --> 00:31:14.057 Pulls it in, and I'm off to the races with energy monitoring, 00:31:14.057 --> 00:31:16.937 all the stuff. It's just so great. So K-A-U-F. 00:31:16.937 --> 00:31:18.877 Oh, wow. Yeah, okay. That sounds awesome. 00:31:18.877 --> 00:31:22.357 Yeah, and they're Wi-Fi based, but they're not like a proprietary, right? It's ESP home. 00:31:22.837 --> 00:31:28.797 I like that somehow, you know, I think Listener Alex is like the secondhand stuff. 00:31:28.977 --> 00:31:31.937 It's better than plenty of firsthand stuff. 00:31:32.117 --> 00:31:33.397 Yeah, that's very true. 00:31:33.637 --> 00:31:34.937 I need a parts bin like that. 00:31:35.057 --> 00:31:38.477 Yeah. Thank you, Alex. Very, very appreciative. And, you know, 00:31:38.537 --> 00:31:45.057 even knowing how small these boxes are, I was still surprised when I took it out of the box. 00:31:45.057 --> 00:31:49.677 And it you know it's slightly larger than my hand is really the size of the 00:31:49.677 --> 00:31:51.297 thing it's it's remarkable it's. 00:31:51.297 --> 00:31:52.597 One liter chris it's in the name. 00:31:52.597 --> 00:31:58.237 I know i know i know but still actually holding it uh was shocked plenty of 00:31:58.237 --> 00:32:03.877 ports on here it's got your display ports your hdmi's it's got some usb uh and 00:32:03.877 --> 00:32:08.297 of course it's got an ethernet jack a little wi-fi antenna sticking out the back, 00:32:08.877 --> 00:32:13.977 And then it has a real DC power plug, which I'm very excited about for the future. 00:32:15.037 --> 00:32:20.637 And yeah, there's a little rattle. So I wasn't sure if it maybe got a little damaged in shipping. 00:32:20.837 --> 00:32:24.137 And once I held it in my little hands, I was like, oh, this is very exciting. 00:32:24.297 --> 00:32:27.977 This is actually a great idea. Thank you, everybody who sent these ideas in. 00:32:28.257 --> 00:32:31.777 So I hooked it up as fast as I could. And I just booted like the latest Ubuntu 00:32:31.777 --> 00:32:33.937 ISO on here using Ventoy. 00:32:33.997 --> 00:32:36.177 Wait, wait, wait. You didn't check out the rattling first? 00:32:36.437 --> 00:32:37.497 Well, that's how I checked it out. 00:32:39.357 --> 00:32:40.617 Well done, sir. Well done. 00:32:41.217 --> 00:32:43.697 It works. Okay, then the rattle's not a problem. 00:32:44.837 --> 00:32:48.037 And no vent toy issues that worked as expected? Okay, great. 00:32:49.058 --> 00:32:53.638 Thankfully, Ventoy works great on there. And it has, on the front, very handy. 00:32:53.958 --> 00:32:58.218 Not only does it have a USB-A, but it has a USB-C as well. 00:32:58.998 --> 00:33:04.158 And so when you, you know, on that Ventoy dongle I have, it's like a little 00:33:04.158 --> 00:33:07.338 SSD in there. So it's very fast over USB-C. 00:33:07.518 --> 00:33:11.778 You could just use the system that way. So I booted up in Ubuntu and went through 00:33:11.778 --> 00:33:13.138 just the, you know, the live session. 00:33:13.878 --> 00:33:17.698 And everything got detected. The Ethernet picked up an IP address just fine. 00:33:17.698 --> 00:33:20.038 The disks were in there. And all of that. 00:33:20.298 --> 00:33:24.358 I was able to browse the web. So I went ahead and just repartitioned it since 00:33:24.358 --> 00:33:26.698 Gparted comes on the live session. And I love Gparted. 00:33:27.118 --> 00:33:30.258 Went through and cleared out the main MVME. 00:33:30.698 --> 00:33:33.538 Didn't bother with the windows. I figured I'd just mess with that disk later. 00:33:34.558 --> 00:33:36.278 And cleared it all out. And then, 00:33:36.278 --> 00:33:39.478 you know, rebooted and started the installation process for a server. 00:33:39.578 --> 00:33:43.738 And what we ended up with is pretty nice, of course. 00:33:44.018 --> 00:33:49.058 This little think center is a decent little box in here. It's got a i5-8500T 00:33:49.058 --> 00:33:52.278 and it's got six threads and like the note mentioned, 00:33:52.458 --> 00:33:58.338 32 gigs of RAM in this, which is going to be great because ultimately I'm trying 00:33:58.338 --> 00:34:06.078 to consolidate a Home Assistant Yellow and maybe a couple of Pis or one Pi and an Odroid. 00:34:07.212 --> 00:34:10.972 Down into one machine. So it's going to be a lot on this machine. 00:34:11.092 --> 00:34:13.272 And I think I'm going to be running Home Assistant potentially, 00:34:13.272 --> 00:34:16.072 although I'm not 100% locked in, inside a VM. 00:34:16.992 --> 00:34:24.132 So I set up a Nix OS base on this thing and got KVM installed and had Wes start poking around. 00:34:25.512 --> 00:34:28.972 We thought about a couple of different ways to virtualize Home Assistant OS. 00:34:29.352 --> 00:34:32.272 Kind of ultimately went KVM libvert. Do you want to talk about that a little bit? 00:34:33.092 --> 00:34:36.912 Yeah. I mean, there's a ton of options, right? You're almost spoiled for options. 00:34:37.212 --> 00:34:41.672 I've been keen to try SystemD VM spawn more, although that's very new, 00:34:41.712 --> 00:34:45.792 and it didn't seem like the USB pass-through stuff was really as sophisticated 00:34:45.792 --> 00:34:49.592 as we might want, specifically for trying to virtualize something like Home Assistant. 00:34:50.592 --> 00:34:55.792 LexD or the ForkNow Incis is another good option. That does have robust pass-through options. 00:34:56.372 --> 00:34:59.852 But you'd kind of gotten a base config going. Out of the box, 00:34:59.992 --> 00:35:03.612 in NixOS, it's really quite easy to get, well, KVM going. 00:35:03.632 --> 00:35:07.032 We could just use QMU, But if you want a little more affordances, 00:35:07.272 --> 00:35:11.132 a little more options for like tools to work with stuff that isn't just your 00:35:11.132 --> 00:35:14.792 own custom QEMU script, well, Libvert's a pretty standard option. 00:35:15.692 --> 00:35:19.292 It does mean, you know, you kind of got to go and interact with its world, 00:35:19.452 --> 00:35:21.672 right? Like it has XML files that it wants to make. 00:35:21.792 --> 00:35:26.252 And you got to like make your VM storage pools and tell it about how you want the networking to work. 00:35:26.372 --> 00:35:30.892 But the plus side is it's, I mean, it's got all kinds of affordances to do that 00:35:30.892 --> 00:35:34.912 in a whole bunch of like enterprise complicated ways that are way more than we actually need. 00:35:35.052 --> 00:35:39.332 And so it meant really, like we were able to use Nix OS to create the basic 00:35:39.332 --> 00:35:42.872 bridge setup we wanted, which in particular, you wanted to have Home Assistant 00:35:42.872 --> 00:35:46.992 VM appear as if it was just like another box on your local network, 00:35:46.992 --> 00:35:49.332 so it could really easily talk to all of your devices, right? 00:35:50.316 --> 00:35:54.696 Yeah, because auto-discovery is a huge part of the Home Assistant setup. 00:35:55.156 --> 00:35:59.796 A lot of the new Home Assistant devices that they make, just auto-broadcast. 00:36:00.336 --> 00:36:04.256 So that was something that was definitely needed. And we had some reports of 00:36:04.256 --> 00:36:07.756 people that had tried virtualizing it on, I think, Proxmox, and they had some 00:36:07.756 --> 00:36:09.916 issues with the USB pass-through not always working. 00:36:10.336 --> 00:36:13.936 Thankfully, Alex included that SkyConnect dongle, so we had something to test 00:36:13.936 --> 00:36:21.836 right there. I'll also note, it seems like the Home Assistant blessed path is KVM LibVirt. 00:36:21.956 --> 00:36:25.796 If you're going to virtualize Home Assistant OS, all their documentation kind 00:36:25.796 --> 00:36:27.756 of pushes you down that path. 00:36:27.916 --> 00:36:30.696 It did feel well supported. It would maybe be another way to put it, 00:36:30.776 --> 00:36:32.596 right? Like, yeah, the docs make it super simple. 00:36:32.776 --> 00:36:36.096 They have like QKO images ready to go, which is pretty great. 00:36:36.236 --> 00:36:41.476 So in that sense, it was a very smooth process really to get it going and then 00:36:41.476 --> 00:36:43.296 be able to connect to it and see it. 00:36:43.296 --> 00:36:47.416 And we're able to use the NixOS side for, I mean, later you might like bake 00:36:47.416 --> 00:36:50.716 this stuff in with add-ons or whatnot, but, you know, we were able to bootstrap 00:36:50.716 --> 00:36:54.636 tail scale access and set up some basic sort of port forwarding and stuff. 00:36:54.756 --> 00:36:59.356 So we could get in and talk to the VM either by the LAN or via tail scale. 00:37:00.471 --> 00:37:03.471 It all pretty much worked. I mean, I don't think we, it hasn't really been tried 00:37:03.471 --> 00:37:07.931 in anger yet. It's really a demo setup, but I don't know. What do you think? 00:37:08.231 --> 00:37:11.071 Do you have enough confidence to like try it in production? 00:37:11.831 --> 00:37:16.411 I was pleased to see that I could do a firmware update of the Sky Connect through 00:37:16.411 --> 00:37:20.091 the virtualized Home Assistant instance. That seemed like a good sign there. 00:37:21.091 --> 00:37:25.391 So that's definitely, that's got me feeling more confident. I want to hook up 00:37:25.391 --> 00:37:28.551 a few more USB devices and like you say, actually try it with a few things. 00:37:29.731 --> 00:37:38.891 Um to me i think i also have to like somehow simulate gpu load and i need to 00:37:38.891 --> 00:37:42.271 simulate my load without maybe spending hours moving all of my applications 00:37:42.271 --> 00:37:46.311 over because i really want to see this thing under kind of sustained baseload 00:37:46.311 --> 00:37:49.211 what its power draw is especially if you're going to load up the host. 00:37:49.211 --> 00:37:53.331 Too and you've got your vm going is that going to maintain responsiveness to 00:37:53.331 --> 00:37:56.111 all the home automation you're doing and then yeah. 00:37:56.111 --> 00:37:56.551 Right you. 00:37:56.551 --> 00:38:00.711 Haven't even i think dabbled yet fully with exactly what even the baseline power dry is. 00:38:00.711 --> 00:38:04.391 And that would be my concern is that the home automation stuff or the responsiveness 00:38:04.391 --> 00:38:08.851 suffers when maybe like you know we're we're doing a big jellyfin job or something 00:38:08.851 --> 00:38:14.451 uh before we move too far off of home assistant os you guys know i love home 00:38:14.451 --> 00:38:18.491 assistant and i really respect the work they do over there but my god if you 00:38:18.491 --> 00:38:19.831 want an experience and frustration, 00:38:20.271 --> 00:38:27.951 I challenge you listening to this episode, go download the home assistant image for KVM Libvert. 00:38:28.791 --> 00:38:32.351 Go through, go to their webpage. Don't, don't Google it, but go to their home 00:38:32.351 --> 00:38:36.291 assistant webpage like a regular user would and try to download the image. 00:38:38.191 --> 00:38:41.971 And boost in your results. Tell me if you actually, if you got it. 00:38:43.551 --> 00:38:46.391 I'll zap you back if you actually manage to find it through their website. 00:38:47.411 --> 00:38:49.551 That's rough. So that to me was 00:38:49.551 --> 00:38:52.031 like, I'm not even sure if I'm getting the right thing and all of that. 00:38:52.171 --> 00:38:56.151 I actually downloaded the wrong image the first time and then went back and 00:38:56.151 --> 00:38:58.171 like, oh, nope, this is where I get the QCAV file. 00:38:58.311 --> 00:39:00.591 Okay, they have something already set up. I need to grab that. 00:39:01.351 --> 00:39:04.151 It was a lot. It was a lot of reading to still even end up with the wrong file. 00:39:04.251 --> 00:39:07.111 And that's a little disappointing because the experience, if you just buy their 00:39:07.111 --> 00:39:09.431 hardware where it comes loaded with Home Assistant is the exact opposite. 00:39:09.631 --> 00:39:12.671 It's just so smooth. It's so easy. I was surprised by that. 00:39:13.291 --> 00:39:18.391 But so ultimately, I need to figure out a way to test Jellyfin and ersatz and the whole RAR stack. 00:39:18.511 --> 00:39:21.871 Of course, things like NextCloud need to be able to run on there. 00:39:23.031 --> 00:39:25.971 Audiobookshelf, Music Assistant. I mean, I just have a litany. 00:39:26.111 --> 00:39:29.651 I mean, you can go over the back catalog of the show. I have probably something 00:39:29.651 --> 00:39:31.711 like 30 applications running on this. 00:39:31.791 --> 00:39:33.691 But you just have your Nix config you can move over, right? 00:39:34.571 --> 00:39:37.751 They're all mostly Docker, you know, because this is from years ago, 00:39:38.791 --> 00:39:41.471 which feels a little, when you have like 30 Docker applications, 00:39:41.811 --> 00:39:43.591 that feels kind of just like sprawl. 00:39:44.191 --> 00:39:49.731 I know where most of the application data is, but probably not about 20% of it would be my guess. 00:39:49.871 --> 00:39:52.251 Right, probably a few of them have it just in a folder right there. 00:39:52.391 --> 00:39:55.711 A few of them are using Docker volume. Some of them are using bind mounts to 00:39:55.711 --> 00:39:57.311 a regular spot on your file system. 00:39:57.611 --> 00:39:58.771 Yes, exactly. 00:39:58.951 --> 00:40:00.611 And then a couple other random stuff, who knows? 00:40:01.031 --> 00:40:03.771 And then to really make it all work, I'd have to move the storage over, and I'm not 00:40:03.771 --> 00:40:06.551 ready to commit yet because i'm not sure if all this under actual load 00:40:06.551 --> 00:40:09.691 works so i'm trying to think of a way to simulate gpu load simulate disk 00:40:09.691 --> 00:40:13.611 activity and moderate cpu load that 00:40:13.611 --> 00:40:18.491 i would feel confident that that's a decent estimation maybe some download you 00:40:18.491 --> 00:40:20.931 know what i mean like i need to think of that and then check the power drop 00:40:20.931 --> 00:40:25.511 and then determine if it's a same or less than all my other hardware combined 00:40:25.511 --> 00:40:28.291 that's where i'm kind of at with it now but i'm very impressed with these one 00:40:28.291 --> 00:40:33.411 liter pcs if you weren't concerned about the power at all it's so obvious i'm, 00:40:34.515 --> 00:40:37.335 Let's just say I was, I never felt like it was slow. I never, 00:40:37.355 --> 00:40:41.395 I never had, you know, I do sometimes feel like that with the O-Droid and definitely with the yellow. 00:40:41.535 --> 00:40:44.095 Yeah. You and I were both like simultaneously kind of banging away, 00:40:44.335 --> 00:40:47.315 working on stuff, doing NixOS builds without even telling each other. 00:40:47.535 --> 00:40:49.575 And yeah, it was doing just fine. 00:40:50.115 --> 00:40:53.955 I would imagine this thing has a fan in it, which your other computers don't. 00:40:54.075 --> 00:40:56.895 So I'm curious about audible levels. 00:40:57.035 --> 00:40:59.295 Cause you're going to have this tucked away in the, in the RV somewhere. 00:40:59.515 --> 00:41:00.675 Are you worried about that in any way? 00:41:01.515 --> 00:41:04.455 You know, I never heard it spin up. It would be in the booth, 00:41:04.515 --> 00:41:06.175 so I don't think it would be too big of a problem. 00:41:07.035 --> 00:41:12.795 If it did spin up, I don't think it would be too bad. So I'm ultimately dedicating 00:41:12.795 --> 00:41:17.735 right now the 256 gigabyte SSD that came in there, the separate disk that came in there. 00:41:18.055 --> 00:41:26.015 I'm dedicating that to the KVM VM storage pool, and I've decided to format it in BcacheFS. 00:41:27.095 --> 00:41:30.575 And if I put this thing in production, I intend to keep it as BcacheFS. 00:41:31.855 --> 00:41:34.875 And i feel good about it i went through i reviewed 00:41:34.875 --> 00:41:37.855 like some ideal mount options for a bcash 00:41:37.855 --> 00:41:43.995 fs file system nothing too surprising in there uh i did turn compress on because 00:41:43.995 --> 00:41:47.295 you know these are vm images some of them are have you know large sparse sections 00:41:47.295 --> 00:41:51.835 i turned on no access time and things like that to just try to improve overall 00:41:51.835 --> 00:41:56.035 performance but uh i didn't tell you ahead of time that i was going to do that west no. 00:41:56.035 --> 00:42:00.115 You did not um i actually first noticed because there was kind of a weird i 00:42:00.115 --> 00:42:03.935 think you'd run into some problems as you were trying mount options so there was. 00:42:03.935 --> 00:42:04.275 Like an. 00:42:04.275 --> 00:42:07.915 Artifact from some of your um vibe coding that left. 00:42:07.915 --> 00:42:08.335 Like a. 00:42:08.335 --> 00:42:10.835 System d script that was doing the mount so one of the first things. 00:42:10.835 --> 00:42:11.275 I did was. 00:42:11.275 --> 00:42:14.215 Clean that up and i made it like a regular file system yeah. 00:42:14.215 --> 00:42:20.635 Well here's i want what i wanted was i was researching the mount options and 00:42:20.635 --> 00:42:25.335 this is just a great thing because you can go out and do it for me um but the one i decided to yolo, 00:42:26.608 --> 00:42:30.508 Because it was like, this is something you could try, and I decided to try to 00:42:30.508 --> 00:42:34.368 brute force it, is Bcache FS not only does it have compress, 00:42:34.688 --> 00:42:39.108 which is dope, and everybody should use for their NASs and SSDs and stuff, 00:42:39.248 --> 00:42:41.468 but it has background compress, 00:42:41.828 --> 00:42:43.748 which I think is obvious what that does, right? 00:42:43.768 --> 00:42:46.628 It's when the system isn't as busy, when there's some spare cycles, 00:42:46.848 --> 00:42:50.208 then it attends to the compressing. 00:42:50.448 --> 00:42:52.828 Well, that sounds exactly like 00:42:52.828 --> 00:42:58.368 what I want, right? Who wants this crazy compress at write and read? No. 00:42:58.848 --> 00:43:02.388 Do it in the background. So I went ahead and said, yeah, let's throw that in 00:43:02.388 --> 00:43:07.408 there, which then I rebooted the system and got the emergency console. 00:43:08.368 --> 00:43:13.828 It almost came all the way up. And then I got the emergency console. Oh, OK. 00:43:14.608 --> 00:43:19.748 OK. All right. So I go in, and the solution that the machine came up with, 00:43:19.808 --> 00:43:22.508 because I wanted to keep the background compressed, because that's a dope option, 00:43:22.668 --> 00:43:28.788 is I had the machine try to mount the file system at a different point so it 00:43:28.788 --> 00:43:32.708 wouldn't take the system out if it doesn't work. And I used SystemD to do that. 00:43:33.548 --> 00:43:34.188 Yeah, okay. 00:43:34.308 --> 00:43:37.788 But it was still kicking errors when it tried to mount the file system, 00:43:37.788 --> 00:43:41.728 so ultimately I wasn't getting a reliable mount. It just wasn't taking the system out. 00:43:42.548 --> 00:43:45.368 So I had to capitulate, and I took the background compressed out for now. 00:43:45.828 --> 00:43:47.568 But it still has compression on it. 00:43:48.108 --> 00:43:51.048 Well, I'm just excited because now you're kind of like keyed in. 00:43:51.208 --> 00:43:54.288 You'll be following the Bcache updates that I keep sending you. 00:43:54.408 --> 00:43:54.508 Ray. 00:43:55.048 --> 00:43:57.188 And you can try more of the features as they keep landing. 00:43:58.388 --> 00:43:59.188 Although, so... 00:44:01.659 --> 00:44:05.559 We're working on this thing, Wes and I. And, you know, I got it pretty far, 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.579 but I had to step away for like three or four hours on Saturday for kids stuff. 00:44:09.579 --> 00:44:14.279 And I come back and Wes is like, by the way, I switched it over to the Zen kernel. 00:44:17.579 --> 00:44:19.059 I'm like, oh, good, good. 00:44:19.219 --> 00:44:21.079 I figured you'd want that. 00:44:21.779 --> 00:44:24.899 It crossed my mind. It had crossed my mind. But then I'm like, 00:44:25.759 --> 00:44:27.599 no, that's too crazy for a server. 00:44:27.939 --> 00:44:30.819 I'm not going to do that for my server. I want. We're like, this thing's going 00:44:30.819 --> 00:44:33.199 to be a VM host. I need to be an adult. 00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.539 Maybe I should even use the LTS kernel. I'm thinking to myself, 00:44:36.939 --> 00:44:38.179 especially if I got BcacheFS. 00:44:38.539 --> 00:44:41.839 And then I come back and Wes is like, yeah, I zenned it up. Totally latest version. 00:44:42.619 --> 00:44:46.139 Click right on the edge. I'm like, all right, we're going with it. Let's do it. 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:49.079 Yeah, that's right. 617 7-zen1. 00:44:49.879 --> 00:44:54.999 Why not? It might help with the overall Jellyfin performance. 00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.179 We do have NF tables on there for a few things like Wes was talking about. 00:44:59.879 --> 00:45:05.419 ButterFS on the root, so my root file system for the host is not Bcache. That's just for the VMs. 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:10.679 The root is still Butter, but I do have automatic scrubbing and weekly trims 00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:15.799 for the SSD and MVME, both on BcacheFS and ButterFS. 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:21.059 Like Wes said, we went with KVM and LibVert, and we bridged the VM to the local 00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:24.979 network, and just sort of were able to declare all of that in the NixOS config. 00:45:25.839 --> 00:45:28.799 I would love feedback from the audience on this. 00:45:29.759 --> 00:45:32.799 Bear in mind, I'm coming from a Home Assistant Yellow. It has like two gigs 00:45:32.799 --> 00:45:37.499 of RAM and, you know, like a Raspberry Pi 4 processor. But I'm thinking... 00:45:39.084 --> 00:45:44.244 Four gigs of ram is probably enough but that's a bit i'd like feedback on and two virtual cpus. 00:45:44.884 --> 00:45:50.384 Yeah i think those values came from the uh their install guide they had some 00:45:50.384 --> 00:45:54.024 like default sort of like oh run this um vert install command to kind of get 00:45:54.024 --> 00:45:57.704 started and so we've started there but yeah i wonder like it sounds like jeff 00:45:57.704 --> 00:46:01.584 might be using this maybe other audience members have tried it out and if they i may. 00:46:01.584 --> 00:46:04.284 Have now i'm thinking about i think i actually upped it to eight gigs in the 00:46:04.284 --> 00:46:06.244 actual config i might have upped it to eight gigs. 00:46:06.244 --> 00:46:06.964 Excellent i. 00:46:06.964 --> 00:46:10.064 Think i went eight gigabytes of two CPUs dedicated. 00:46:11.384 --> 00:46:16.404 And I'd like feedback from the audience if that seems to be sufficient for Home 00:46:16.404 --> 00:46:19.224 Assistant OS where I'm going to have a handful of, well, you know, 00:46:20.184 --> 00:46:24.004 a dozen add-ons probably and stuff like that and probably 300 devices talking to it. 00:46:24.484 --> 00:46:27.084 You might be able to flash ESPs now. Congratulations. 00:46:27.564 --> 00:46:29.864 That's what I'm hoping is I'll have enough memory for ESP Home. 00:46:30.084 --> 00:46:31.404 Oh, we got to test that. 00:46:31.584 --> 00:46:36.484 I know. It's a tight line to walk here because Home Assistant's just one of 00:46:36.484 --> 00:46:39.444 the many, many things this box would end up doing. 00:46:39.744 --> 00:46:44.464 And so if this was only doing Home Assistant, I just let it eat up a lot of the RAM. 00:46:44.584 --> 00:46:47.684 But I do need to actually, so I don't know if I'm throwing things away with 00:46:47.684 --> 00:46:50.384 eight gigs or four gigs like Home Assistant recommends is the sweet spot. 00:46:50.484 --> 00:46:53.304 The problem is at one point they recommended two and here I am, 00:46:53.344 --> 00:46:54.984 I'm bumping up against that all the time. 00:46:55.104 --> 00:46:59.184 A little bird in our chat says maybe this machine can actually take 64 gigs 00:46:59.184 --> 00:47:00.864 despite being advertised as 32. 00:47:01.084 --> 00:47:03.404 So that might solve your issue here. 00:47:03.984 --> 00:47:10.004 Great, Scott. And then I am going to use the SkyConnect, I believe, for my Zigbee. 00:47:10.224 --> 00:47:15.784 And I think I'm going to use the ZWA 2, whatever that fancy Home Assistant Z-Wave 00:47:15.784 --> 00:47:17.184 adapter is for the Z-Wave stuff. 00:47:17.964 --> 00:47:21.584 Although that makes a lot more work. It's a lot easier if I just move the existing adapters. 00:47:23.876 --> 00:47:25.796 I may just have to bite that bullet. I'm not sure. 00:47:26.116 --> 00:47:29.316 Yeah, so far it seemed like the USB pass-through worked just fine. 00:47:29.416 --> 00:47:32.036 We definitely saw it inside Home Assistant, saw it and all that. 00:47:32.136 --> 00:47:36.216 We haven't tried it in terms of actually talking over the radio or anything, but hey. 00:47:36.436 --> 00:47:39.856 Nope. For more flash, though. For more flash. 00:47:39.996 --> 00:47:41.916 Oh, yeah, right. So that's a good sign. 00:47:41.996 --> 00:47:44.396 That was good. I haven't got a good sense of the power readings. 00:47:44.516 --> 00:47:48.576 That's what I'm going to be spending my time on between now and the next episode, 00:47:48.636 --> 00:47:50.396 just kind of getting a sense of what the power usage is. 00:47:50.396 --> 00:47:54.036 The thing that i have to really just underscore for me that's such a big deal 00:47:54.036 --> 00:47:59.096 is that it does natively have a dc plug on the back so down the road i could 00:47:59.096 --> 00:48:02.716 just take the ac adapter out of the picture entirely and for me that's a pretty 00:48:02.716 --> 00:48:04.896 big deal it could be a nice little savings because, 00:48:06.516 --> 00:48:10.796 inverting that the way the inverter works is the actual the less amount that 00:48:10.796 --> 00:48:14.136 it's inverting the worse the efficiency is so when something like that's only 00:48:14.136 --> 00:48:19.056 drawing 20 30 watts uh i lose like 40% in the inversion. 00:48:19.456 --> 00:48:22.496 It's actually really rough. Whereas if I just go straight to DC, 00:48:22.676 --> 00:48:25.116 I don't, it's all, there's no efficiency loss there. 00:48:25.276 --> 00:48:28.136 So that's something I'll be thinking about, but I'm very, very impressed with 00:48:28.136 --> 00:48:32.576 the one liter PC, especially this little Lenovo and just took Linux like a champ. 00:48:32.736 --> 00:48:35.456 Absolutely no problem getting Linux on there. Total compatibility, 00:48:35.776 --> 00:48:39.316 all the devices work and the performance seems to be really good. 00:48:39.496 --> 00:48:43.996 So this is, I'd say, best case scenario for me. And I'm extremely grateful for 00:48:43.996 --> 00:48:45.156 Alex for sending this in. 00:48:45.416 --> 00:48:48.696 We're going to keep building on it And probably not next week, 00:48:48.756 --> 00:48:51.276 but in the future, a little bit down the road, I'll have an update once I've 00:48:51.276 --> 00:48:53.856 really tried it and put it through its paces. 00:48:53.936 --> 00:48:56.816 Stay tuned for Chris, Chris's One Leader Power Pulse. 00:49:01.896 --> 00:49:06.476 Unraid.net slash unplugged. Your system's unleashed, are you? 00:49:06.836 --> 00:49:10.036 The biggest Unraid sale of the year is almost here. 00:49:10.436 --> 00:49:12.996 Mark your calendars if you're listening to this when this episode drops. 00:49:13.276 --> 00:49:17.776 Cyber Weekend for Unraid is going to run from November 28th through December 00:49:17.776 --> 00:49:23.816 1st. 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He says, I 00:53:05.995 --> 00:53:10.415 tried to boost a config confessions related message, but it was too long. 00:53:10.575 --> 00:53:14.555 I sent it in via the contact page instead, but I still wanted to send in some value. 00:53:15.055 --> 00:53:18.655 Thank you, Marcel. I have that tag for the post show because it's kind of in depth. 00:53:19.115 --> 00:53:21.615 So I don't know if we're going to get into it in the show, but I have it saved 00:53:21.615 --> 00:53:24.655 for us. I went and grabbed his email. Thank you, Marcel. 00:53:25.675 --> 00:53:28.735 Didrell's here with 3,661 sats. 00:53:30.215 --> 00:53:34.355 Well i messed up something fountain so sorry about my username uh but after 00:53:34.355 --> 00:53:39.355 a six five on my config i wanted to say thank you also this is a zip code boost 00:53:39.355 --> 00:53:40.595 but it has to be multiplied, 00:53:41.415 --> 00:53:46.935 by 15 whoa oh boy yeah get your calculator out and then grab the map does the map even have. 00:53:46.935 --> 00:53:48.575 A calculator module i don't know. 00:53:48.575 --> 00:53:52.295 If i kept that i think the map has python so. 00:53:52.295 --> 00:53:53.115 You could just use that. 00:53:53.115 --> 00:53:56.675 You're right yeah it definitely has a python interpreter well how could it three 00:53:56.675 --> 00:54:00.035 six six one three six six one times fifteen. 00:54:02.735 --> 00:54:06.995 Does the post office, can I leave the equation on there and they'll figure out 00:54:06.995 --> 00:54:08.355 what zip code I'm talking about? No. 00:54:08.835 --> 00:54:10.415 Do they have an LLM that'll do that for you? 00:54:10.775 --> 00:54:13.495 Yeah, as they're scanning, you know, and doing the fingerprint, you know. 00:54:14.515 --> 00:54:22.115 Okay, we get 54915. And that is a zip code assigned to Appleton, Wisconsin. 00:54:23.355 --> 00:54:25.215 Hey, hello, Wisconsin. 00:54:25.475 --> 00:54:29.315 Yeah, it covers areas in a few different counties, including Winnebago. 00:54:29.675 --> 00:54:33.015 Although apples are our thing, so get out of our thing. Appleton. 00:54:34.295 --> 00:54:35.675 Don't make us fight about apples. 00:54:36.555 --> 00:54:38.895 Don't, yeah, you don't want Washington fighting about apples. 00:54:39.175 --> 00:54:42.075 Woo! Thank you, Didrell. Nice to hear from you, and thank you for that boost. 00:54:43.095 --> 00:54:48.355 BTC is my 401k boost in with 4,590 sets. 00:54:51.195 --> 00:54:56.735 Elevation boost, boosting from my mountain home in Southern California. Oh, fun. 00:54:57.475 --> 00:55:02.515 Do you get snow up there at 4,509 to fight? in California? 00:55:04.835 --> 00:55:08.235 I'm genuinely curious. In Southern California, do you get snow at that elevation? 00:55:09.095 --> 00:55:10.495 I don't know how the earth works. 00:55:12.375 --> 00:55:13.835 That's beautiful. That's beautiful. 00:55:14.495 --> 00:55:16.075 Hello up there. Thank you for the boost. 00:55:16.995 --> 00:55:21.935 What is it about the idea of living up in elevation sounds so appealing to me? 00:55:22.055 --> 00:55:22.935 I don't know what that is. 00:55:23.015 --> 00:55:24.895 Because it's been a while since you've moved a couch. 00:55:26.775 --> 00:55:28.795 I've lived at sea level for too long. 00:55:32.175 --> 00:55:35.615 Jeff, guy on the floor Do you know if they get snow up there? 00:55:36.175 --> 00:55:42.375 Yeah, they do Depends on where he's at But yeah, you got Big Bear You got all 00:55:42.375 --> 00:55:46.235 those mountainous areas over there I got snow at about 3,700 feet In Asperia, 00:55:46.315 --> 00:55:47.475 California, back in the day. 00:55:47.475 --> 00:55:49.335 And that's Jeff with the weather. 00:55:51.615 --> 00:55:55.055 PJ with the weather, thank you PJ Well. 00:55:55.135 --> 00:55:59.655 Badu High Sent in a boost 2001 sets. 00:56:02.513 --> 00:56:07.213 Hey, I was user 75 from last episode, and yes, you guys got that postal code 00:56:07.213 --> 00:56:10.093 right, and yes, the weather was pretty nice that day. 00:56:10.573 --> 00:56:11.053 Yeah. 00:56:11.293 --> 00:56:16.613 Nice. I like it. We got it right. Also, a little clarification there. 00:56:16.773 --> 00:56:20.433 Yeah. He says, uh, to Brent's question there on the postal codes, 00:56:20.553 --> 00:56:25.453 Brazilian postal codes do have this long but simple format with a dash that 00:56:25.453 --> 00:56:28.193 can identify an address right down to the street. 00:56:28.433 --> 00:56:32.893 That is why I didn't send my actual postal code. It's way too precise. 00:56:33.973 --> 00:56:34.773 Good thinking. 00:56:34.993 --> 00:56:38.973 And he finishes up here. Looks like I missed my chance for the addition of config 00:56:38.973 --> 00:56:42.513 confessions, but it was my fault. I did submit it pretty late. 00:56:42.813 --> 00:56:45.433 I guess I'll wait for next year's config confessions. 00:56:46.333 --> 00:56:50.453 Missed it by that much. Sorry about that. Thank you for the boost, 00:56:50.533 --> 00:56:52.873 though. Anonymous comes in with a row of decks. 00:56:54.313 --> 00:56:57.933 2,222 sats. It was awesome seeing y'all at Texas Linux Fest. 00:56:58.093 --> 00:57:01.933 I wanted to join in the config confessions. this is my first ever git repo and 00:57:01.933 --> 00:57:05.133 i just recently moved to using flakes about two months ago things are a bit 00:57:05.133 --> 00:57:09.133 messy i'm also currently working on adding my other hosts and i'll add the host 00:57:09.133 --> 00:57:13.453 readme to change it when i do all right we'll tag that for the post show as well for the members, 00:57:14.553 --> 00:57:18.553 thank you anonymous or perhaps tie fighter and good job getting your first git 00:57:18.553 --> 00:57:21.653 repo going as brent will tell you that's important yeah. 00:57:21.653 --> 00:57:22.553 And working with flakes. 00:57:22.553 --> 00:57:27.653 That's true yeah well done well effing done jasko. 00:57:27.653 --> 00:57:30.293 Comes in with five thousand sets, 00:57:32.573 --> 00:57:36.753 with all the fun around the config confessions i think it would be cool if love 00:57:36.753 --> 00:57:41.393 hosted a sort of hackathon maybe announce a theme or a couple categories a few 00:57:41.393 --> 00:57:45.993 weeks before the show and have you guys roast our projects maybe in place of 00:57:45.993 --> 00:57:49.933 the tuxies it certainly has that same community engagement aspect anyway. 00:57:51.758 --> 00:57:54.478 Hey, now you know, this is an interesting idea. 00:57:55.338 --> 00:57:59.098 Especially if we did like a home lab thing where like if people had a home lab 00:57:59.098 --> 00:58:02.738 project they've been wanting to get done, we could do like a two week sprint. 00:58:03.658 --> 00:58:06.318 And then at the end they send us their setups and we give them a review and 00:58:06.318 --> 00:58:09.558 tell them how they did. You know, so it's their excuse to finally buckle down 00:58:09.558 --> 00:58:11.458 and just get something done. I want to, because I do that. 00:58:11.478 --> 00:58:12.938 Artificial deadline, a thing to me. 00:58:13.058 --> 00:58:13.258 Yeah. 00:58:13.318 --> 00:58:14.278 Yeah, push for. Yeah. 00:58:14.818 --> 00:58:17.858 If that's something people would like, you know, I don't know, 00:58:17.958 --> 00:58:19.858 we need a name for it. We need a good name. 00:58:20.638 --> 00:58:24.318 And if we get a good name, if somebody sends a good name, that's a sign we should do it, I think. 00:58:25.078 --> 00:58:29.538 Thank you, Jasko. It's a pretty good idea. I like that. I like that. 00:58:29.998 --> 00:58:34.878 Well, our dear Gene Bean is here with a row of ducks. Hey, y'all. 00:58:35.478 --> 00:58:39.678 PinchFlight is awesome. I know you mentioned it many times, but it's so much 00:58:39.678 --> 00:58:40.958 nicer than I even realized. 00:58:41.478 --> 00:58:46.658 As a bonus, integrated the containerized version of Jellyfin that comes from 00:58:46.658 --> 00:58:48.898 Nick's packages. And that was pretty straightforward. 00:58:49.858 --> 00:58:52.758 And he links to, Gene B links to his GitHub repo. 00:58:53.298 --> 00:58:56.278 Well done, Gene B, and glad you got a chance to try it out. 00:58:56.538 --> 00:59:01.098 It's pretty great. Gene's links right to the actual pull request and diff that 00:59:01.098 --> 00:59:05.798 kind of shows, like, updating the secrets for it and adding a NixOS file that 00:59:05.798 --> 00:59:09.658 sets up OCI containerization to declaratively run the container. 00:59:09.858 --> 00:59:10.298 Nice. 00:59:11.058 --> 00:59:14.658 I think where it really clicks with Pinch Flat is when you pull it up in Jellyfin 00:59:14.658 --> 00:59:20.238 or Plex, and it looks equivalent to all your other media, but it's the stuff on YouTube. 00:59:20.758 --> 00:59:25.078 And now you don't have to go down the YouTube rabbit hole and get sucked into a whole bunch of stuff. 00:59:25.318 --> 00:59:28.758 You just go in there, you're playing it locally through your media center where 00:59:28.758 --> 00:59:31.498 you watch all your other content and it just integrates with the rest of the 00:59:31.498 --> 00:59:34.158 stuff you watch. I think it's great. Thank you, Gene. 00:59:34.798 --> 00:59:40.038 Good to hear from you. Woodland Geeks is here with 4,321 sats. 00:59:43.166 --> 00:59:50.406 Hey, finally got to boost. Hey-oh, good for you. The Utah app at the end of last show was on point. 00:59:50.566 --> 00:59:53.126 I have been looking for something like this. I got it working yesterday, 00:59:53.286 --> 00:59:56.706 and I had a couple of setup glitches, but the creator was Johnny on the spot 00:59:56.706 --> 00:59:59.226 with the game issues. Oh, that's always so great. 00:59:59.406 --> 00:59:59.426 That's rad. 01:00:00.226 --> 01:00:03.066 And an area where free software can sometimes really shine. 01:00:03.166 --> 01:00:05.486 You don't want to put expectations on the developer, but you're just never going 01:00:05.486 --> 01:00:08.286 to get that from, you know, Microsoft or something. 01:00:08.566 --> 01:00:10.866 That's great. Love to hear that. Thank you, Woodland. 01:00:10.866 --> 01:00:15.206 Hodor comes in with 18,500 sats. 01:00:16.817 --> 01:00:19.857 Hi there, long-time listener, first-time caller. 01:00:20.297 --> 01:00:21.137 All right! 01:00:22.417 --> 01:00:27.117 I wanted to highlight a Linux conference close to my heart, Ohio Linux Fest, 01:00:27.257 --> 01:00:28.917 happening Saturday, December 6th. 01:00:29.177 --> 01:00:34.077 I've attended for over a decade, but attendance has dropped the last few years. 01:00:34.277 --> 01:00:36.417 I'm hoping to boost awareness here in the colony. 01:00:36.677 --> 01:00:40.517 It's affordable, fun, and I've certainly made new connections there. 01:00:40.717 --> 01:00:44.917 And maybe with some support, it'll return to the two- or three-day event it 01:00:44.917 --> 01:00:48.617 once was. check it out at holfconference.org. 01:00:49.457 --> 01:00:53.677 And you know what it was because of your boost Hodor when I saw this or Hodor 01:00:53.677 --> 01:00:56.817 when this came in earlier I was like putting that in the housekeeping, 01:00:57.477 --> 01:01:00.597 so it's something we always like to do but sometimes it's just not on our radar, 01:01:01.237 --> 01:01:04.337 and I appreciate you giving it the awareness we're going to give it a plug here 01:01:04.337 --> 01:01:07.237 and we'll have a link in the show notes for people in the area to go check it out and. 01:01:07.237 --> 01:01:12.857 Maybe you know for folks that do report back let us know how it went because we wish we could be there. 01:01:13.577 --> 01:01:16.877 Well we got a row of ducks from southern fried sassafras, 01:01:18.497 --> 01:01:21.477 i loved config trek into the desktop 01:01:21.477 --> 01:01:24.277 i mean deuce configulo desktop gigolo well i 01:01:24.277 --> 01:01:30.177 know i didn't include it in the boost just to make one of you say it again i'd 01:01:30.177 --> 01:01:34.497 never do something like that in all seriousness plus one for a part three of 01:01:34.497 --> 01:01:38.877 the config confession series at some point now to jump back to the past and 01:01:38.877 --> 01:01:42.917 catch up on that backlog i wonder who will end up winning the race to texas. 01:01:42.917 --> 01:01:48.557 Don't spoil it don't spoil it you'll never believe what happened next the. 01:01:48.557 --> 01:01:50.157 Tracker did have a bug in it just saying. 01:01:50.157 --> 01:01:55.797 Oh oh this is new this is a very late reported. 01:01:55.797 --> 01:01:56.837 Bug let me just say. 01:01:56.837 --> 01:02:05.557 Now the bug field kicks in wh 2020 50 comes in with 4 444 sats that's a big old mcduck, 01:02:08.496 --> 01:02:11.336 Quick PSA for Unraid users, remember to back up your flash drive, 01:02:11.476 --> 01:02:15.416 not just your data pools. I just upgraded to 7.2, and on reboot, my flash drive died. 01:02:16.596 --> 01:02:21.176 Oh, man. After way too long refusing to admit it was dead, I finally grabbed 01:02:21.176 --> 01:02:23.976 a new one, only to find my backup was a year old. 01:02:24.076 --> 01:02:27.176 Fortunately, Unraid is awesome, and all my VMs and containers still loaded up and ran. 01:02:27.596 --> 01:02:30.456 However, any container I set up after the backup didn't have a template, 01:02:30.616 --> 01:02:31.796 so it would not have to run. 01:02:32.076 --> 01:02:35.076 Luckily, all I had to do was remove the template and reinstall it from the community 01:02:35.076 --> 01:02:38.016 app, and then it picked right back up with all my data still intact. 01:02:39.036 --> 01:02:42.616 This is also a time traveler boost. I'm going through the back catalog. 01:02:42.796 --> 01:02:44.036 So greetings from episode 25. 01:02:44.336 --> 01:02:45.376 That's a typo, right? 01:02:46.536 --> 01:02:51.676 It's fun to listen to all the old stuff with the benefit of hindsight. Yeah, it is. 01:02:52.636 --> 01:02:59.056 Oh, boy, man. Yeah. I love that on Unraid, all that stuff is separate from your 01:02:59.056 --> 01:03:00.876 data. So you can just allocate all your disks. 01:03:01.696 --> 01:03:04.936 Those flash disks, those flash drives, I just don't trust them. 01:03:05.076 --> 01:03:09.316 Not long term. but they're thankfully very easy to duplicate make an image of 01:03:09.316 --> 01:03:14.496 etc right so there's that thank you for the report appreciate it very much WH 01:03:14.496 --> 01:03:17.976 good to hear from you and hope to hear from you in the future. 01:03:20.236 --> 01:03:24.336 Oh and this last one was me we could probably just skip that I should have I. 01:03:24.336 --> 01:03:26.916 Should have trim that oh I was wondering who that was yeah. 01:03:26.916 --> 01:03:27.696 Sorry about that. 01:03:28.196 --> 01:03:34.416 Okay all right all right yeah all right okay then that brings us to And that 01:03:34.416 --> 01:03:37.676 is all of the 2,000 and above boosts for this episode. 01:03:37.836 --> 01:03:41.596 And a shout out to our SAT streamers. 19 of you streamed and you collectively 01:03:41.596 --> 01:03:46.396 stacked 25,467 SATs to support this here show. 01:03:46.516 --> 01:03:52.356 When you combine that with all our boosters, we almost, almost broke 100K SATs. 01:03:52.456 --> 01:03:58.516 99,094 SATs. And when you do the math, that gets split equally between myself, Wes Brent. 01:03:59.116 --> 01:04:02.476 A bit goes to Editor Drew. That goes to the podcast app in the index. 01:04:02.656 --> 01:04:04.156 That's a pretty low haul. 01:04:13.328 --> 01:04:18.128 Although, slightly picked up by a live boost by PJ. 01:04:18.268 --> 01:04:21.788 Although it didn't fire the sound like I wanted. I was hoping for a live boost sound. 01:04:21.928 --> 01:04:27.488 But credit goes to PJ with one, two, three, four, five sats. 01:04:31.248 --> 01:04:35.968 Oh, no, it's True Grits. PJ was just saying he wanted to hear the pew sound with 14,000 sats. 01:04:36.528 --> 01:04:39.828 True Grits had the Spaceballs boost. Surprise, surprise. I'm still making my 01:04:39.828 --> 01:04:44.288 way up to current episodes. Lesson for everybody. Do not ever get behind. There you go. 01:04:44.448 --> 01:04:45.168 Great advice. 01:04:45.588 --> 01:04:48.948 And Jeff just says, I want to hear the pew sound. So here you go. 01:04:50.008 --> 01:04:53.568 There you go, Jeff. Thank you, everybody. Not a fantastic episode, 01:04:53.648 --> 01:04:56.708 but you know what? We really do appreciate the direct support. This is a wild system. 01:04:56.988 --> 01:05:00.428 It's using a free software stack. It's using a peer-to-peer monetary system. 01:05:00.768 --> 01:05:03.848 But the booths are on sale right now. So if you've been thinking about it, 01:05:03.908 --> 01:05:07.228 now it could be a great time to dip in. Best price of the year right now to boost us. 01:05:07.588 --> 01:05:11.048 And you also have that membership. If you just want to set it and forget it, 01:05:11.348 --> 01:05:14.928 linuxunplugged.com slash membership. Thank you to everybody who does support the show. 01:05:15.068 --> 01:05:17.388 This is something that's been going on now for 12 years. 01:05:17.648 --> 01:05:21.728 It's a bit of an odd phenomenon, if you think about it in the media space and 01:05:21.728 --> 01:05:24.568 to have something going for 12 years that's totally aligned to its audience. 01:05:24.768 --> 01:05:27.248 I think it's something special and it's something we should keep going and we 01:05:27.248 --> 01:05:30.148 appreciate everybody who does make it sustainable and does make it possible. 01:05:30.348 --> 01:05:32.828 Here's your taco. We appreciate you very much. 01:05:34.601 --> 01:05:41.341 One little bit before we run is one pick this week. One pick, but it's a good one. 01:05:41.681 --> 01:05:45.301 We've mentioned this a long time on the show. It's called Easy Effects. 01:05:45.581 --> 01:05:49.301 It's had other names, but it's a limiter, compressor, equalizer, 01:05:49.801 --> 01:05:54.541 helps with volume in general for your desktop applications or maybe a video 01:05:54.541 --> 01:05:58.141 or a podcast you're listening to that doesn't have very good levels or the host 01:05:58.141 --> 01:05:59.321 levels are all over the place. 01:05:59.581 --> 01:06:06.421 You can turn Easy Effects on, and it's like having a sound technician for your desktop audio. 01:06:06.781 --> 01:06:10.261 And just recently, and the reason why we're giving it a mention is not only 01:06:10.261 --> 01:06:13.421 is just a great application that you should have, but with the recent release, 01:06:13.561 --> 01:06:17.181 the whole application was ported from GTK4 to a combination of Qt, 01:06:17.241 --> 01:06:19.701 QML, and the Kirigami frameworks. 01:06:20.141 --> 01:06:23.021 So it's got a brand new fresh release. It's on Flathub as well. 01:06:23.781 --> 01:06:25.161 And it's one of our favorites. 01:06:25.321 --> 01:06:28.781 It's so good. It's just, it's so good. It's only gotten better. 01:06:28.961 --> 01:06:33.081 It's easier to use now. It's more automatic. Like, this is a huge update, 01:06:33.121 --> 01:06:36.561 so clearly they're, like, able to keep shipping and iterating. 01:06:36.801 --> 01:06:41.761 And, yeah, like, the ThinkPad I use for show stuff, it has abysmal speakers. 01:06:42.661 --> 01:06:45.981 EasyFX is basically the only way that I can really manage to use them at all. 01:06:46.701 --> 01:06:50.841 I will say, no shame, but a lot of the free software events that I watch that 01:06:50.841 --> 01:06:53.501 are streamed, they always have, like, really low audio. 01:06:54.744 --> 01:06:57.484 Or a buzz and you can just 01:06:57.484 --> 01:07:00.724 you got firefox up or whatever you're watching the video stream you 01:07:00.724 --> 01:07:03.724 open up easy effects you turn it on and you can start moving dials and 01:07:03.724 --> 01:07:06.484 you can take something that's barely audible right up to something you can 01:07:06.484 --> 01:07:10.564 actually manage it's just fantastic it works with pipe wire it's got lots of 01:07:10.564 --> 01:07:14.204 little knobs honestly it's the kind of app that mac users brag about all the 01:07:14.204 --> 01:07:16.984 time and it's something we have right here for linux it should get more attention 01:07:16.984 --> 01:07:21.964 it's got a nice little visualizer too so you get the uh just spectrum easy effects 01:07:21.964 --> 01:07:26.264 8.0 you can get it from GitHub or you can get it from Flathub. It's a great project. 01:07:27.404 --> 01:07:30.584 And I had no idea they were porting it to Qt, but... 01:07:30.584 --> 01:07:34.384 No, me either. But, you know, as a Plasma user, I'm here for it. 01:07:35.004 --> 01:07:39.184 Suits us just fine. Suits us just fine. Links to that and everything else are 01:07:39.184 --> 01:07:42.124 over at linuxunplugged.com slash 641. 01:07:42.284 --> 01:07:44.824 Now, if you missed something or you want to jump around, Wes, 01:07:44.904 --> 01:07:47.704 you've got a power tip for people. Something they can really take advantage of. 01:07:47.824 --> 01:07:53.264 The magic of cloud chapters! Yeah, let's write a JSON file They'll magically 01:07:53.264 --> 01:07:58.164 deliver it from us to you that tells your podcast player where to go in the file. 01:07:58.464 --> 01:08:03.904 And if you need even more specificity, we've got transcripts in SRT and VTT 01:08:03.904 --> 01:08:05.764 format. So pick your favorite. 01:08:06.324 --> 01:08:10.244 Yeah, depending on your player, you may even get the speaker names. 01:08:10.964 --> 01:08:15.104 And for those of you that are on podcasting 1.0 apps, we will bake the chapters 01:08:15.104 --> 01:08:16.704 in for the applications that support it. 01:08:16.884 --> 01:08:20.064 And some of them, like Apple Podcasts, now are adding transcript support as 01:08:20.064 --> 01:08:23.064 well. So some of the 1.0 apps are starting to, and I have to say, 01:08:23.204 --> 01:08:27.544 those are from the podcasting 2.0 standard, which is really great to see. 01:08:27.644 --> 01:08:31.504 So the stuff that we've been producing for years now on all of our shows is 01:08:31.504 --> 01:08:35.164 just immediately available to all Apple podcast users because Apple is implementing 01:08:35.164 --> 01:08:36.424 the podcasting 2.0 standard. 01:08:37.367 --> 01:08:39.867 I don't love that app, but it's really cool to see that happen. 01:08:40.267 --> 01:08:42.327 Power of open source and open standards. 01:08:42.547 --> 01:08:45.987 Yeah, it's neat to see it happen in the podcast space. And if you get one of 01:08:45.987 --> 01:08:49.607 those 2.0 apps that have all the stuff, you can get them over at newpodcastapps.com. 01:08:49.807 --> 01:08:53.567 Then you can tune in live and you can listen to us on Tuesday on a Sunday. 01:08:54.307 --> 01:08:57.407 See you next week. Same bat time, same bat station. 01:08:57.547 --> 01:09:00.187 Yeah, that's right. You can also join our lug. That's another way to listen 01:09:00.187 --> 01:09:04.127 and get in on the conversation. We get together every single Sunday at 10 a.m. 01:09:04.347 --> 01:09:09.567 Pacific. you can find it in your local time at jupiterbroadcasting.com slash calendar. 01:09:09.907 --> 01:09:14.067 Thank you to our members. You get the bootleg with everything and more. 01:09:14.327 --> 01:09:17.927 And of course, thank you for joining us. We wouldn't do this show if you weren't 01:09:17.927 --> 01:09:19.507 listening, so we appreciate you too. 01:09:19.647 --> 01:09:23.887 And let us know your adventures with the one-liter PCs and your thoughts on 01:09:23.887 --> 01:09:26.687 the Valve hardware announcements. We'd love to read those next week. 01:09:26.847 --> 01:09:30.027 Thank you so much for joining us on this week's episode of Your Unplugged Program. 01:09:30.207 --> 01:09:33.467 We'll see you next Tuesday, as in Sunday.